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Post by professorhoya on Nov 28, 2011 21:03:42 GMT -5
Sounds like they came out much better in the second half. Was there more energy or did shots just start falling? They got alot of steals and rebounds in the first half but then would turn it right over or fumble the ball on the rebound/pass/dribble. That stopped happening in the 2nd half.
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Post by richfame on Nov 28, 2011 21:07:53 GMT -5
SNY showing 2008 UofL game on Big East Classics right after the game - there goes the rest of my evening. I almost forgot how much of a flame Padgent was...
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Nov 28, 2011 21:14:42 GMT -5
A few observations:
1. Clark never got into a rhythm offensively and it affected his defensive aggression. As a senior leader, Clark must be a factor against better teams even when his 3 point stroke isn't falling. Wasn't a problem against tonight's weak competition, but will come into play down the road.
2. You can see the versatility in Whittington's game. And it's easy to figure out why JT3 is so high on him. At 6'8 he can shoot the 3, has a mid-range game and the body to do damage in the paint both offensively and on the glass.
3. Hollis is turning himself into a first rounder. We know his shot is wet. He is showing his rebounding ability. He has improved his post-up game and his defense.
4. Was Sims' tech unnecessary? Yes. But is it exactly the fire we wanted even flashes of last year? Yes. This team's mentality is one we haven't seen in HoyaLand in a few years. It's a pleasure to see.
5. Coach tore the paint off the wall at halftime. And they responded. The intensity in the vesper stanza was night and day from the 1st half. It is good to see a young team respond to that.
6. Trawick is Jeremiah Rivers on roids. He is a defensive stopper. With a subpar offensive game. However his plus athleticism allows him to do more than Jeremiah ever could. He is the kind of glue guy that all good teams need. Will play behind Starks and DSR for next couple years but will always be a key cog who plays key minutes.
Overall, you have to be pleased with the outcome. As you can see from scoreboard watching, plenty of top 25 teams have struggled at times with low level competition on a given night. It is refreshing to see a young team not at their best find a way to still win handily. Never seemed flustered or tight when things were close at half. Finally, the transition offense is better than I can remember at any time during JT3's tenure.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 28, 2011 21:32:40 GMT -5
lousiville vs georgetown 2008 being played directly following this game. How great is that.. It would have been good but I got a Maryland NCAA tournament game instead (The Juan Dixon era).
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Post by chep3 on Nov 28, 2011 21:58:40 GMT -5
6. Trawick is Jeremiah Rivers on roids. He is a defensive stopper. With a subpar offensive game. However his plus athleticism allows him to do more than Jeremiah ever could. He is the kind of glue guy that all good teams need. Will play behind Starks and DSR for next couple years but will always be a key cog who plays key minutes. Personally, I'd be shocked if Jabril plays behind DSR next year. Jabril is raw offensively and still timid on that end, but I guarantee you he is far superior to Jeremiah. He will put it together on that end as he matures, and I'm fully confident he'll start at the 2 from day 1 next year. He is just a phenomenal defender, and I really enjoy watching him. He digs in, he closes out strong, and he contests without leaving his feet unnecessarily. That kid is going to put the handcuffs on anyone and everyone in the next four years. As for the larger game, I missed the first 12, so I have no idea what happened there. But I thought we played hard in the 2nd half, the defensive intensity was noticeable. Had we rebounded the basketball (and by that I mean gotten 50% of the balls we had a hand on), we would've won by 30+. On offense, Hollis was particularly good--scored from everywhere, and I really like how he's been doing more than just settling for outside jumpers. I like that Henry is staying aggressive, and Markel really knows how to pick his spots. Very mature for an inexperienced sophomore.
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Nov 28, 2011 22:11:10 GMT -5
Chep,
Have you had the chance to see DSR play? Offensively,he is LIGHTYEARS ahead of Jabril. And to me, is much more suited to play 2 guard in our offense than Jabril. Also, don't be shocked to see Whittington start at the 2 next year. I love what Jabril brings to this team. I just don't see him as a starter in next couple years. Time will tell.
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Post by mapei on Nov 28, 2011 22:13:50 GMT -5
I take it that DSR is an incoming recruit well-known to people who follow recruiting closely?
I agree with the others that there was a certain amount of luck involved in our poor showing first half - we actually weren't playing that badly. The ball bounced their way.
I love this year's Henry Sims. I love the potential of Porter and Whittington. I'm not quite as sold on Jabril as everyone else but I do think he has potential, too. Nate definitely played better tonight - I haven't looked at the box, but he also should be credited with some assists. Would have had more if his teammates had finished a couple, but the whole team was having trouble finishing tonight, including Nate himself. He also had some excellent passes that led to assists.
Best pass of the night, though, was by Markel from the top of the key, a rifle shot into the post to . . . Hollis? I forget to whom but I sure remember the pass, which happened right in front of me.
Off game by Jason but he has been so fantastic lately that I'm not sweating it.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Nov 28, 2011 22:20:18 GMT -5
If DSR gets can get buckets at this level the way he does now (and indications seem to be that he will), he coud certainly start over Jabril, but maybe not Greg. We have to replace Clark and probably Hollis, so that will factor into it. We can worry about that next year.
But I haven't seen a guard fight over, or really shrug off, screens like Jabril does in a long, long time. Does not get caught and have to force the issue by pushing through, he just keeps moving around and to his man.
Agree with NBBITYYR in that he keeps his feet really well. And if he learns DSR a thing or two on the defensive end, that will be a nice bonus.
EDIT: Sorry Mapei-DSR=D'Vauntes Smith Rivera, 2012 SG out of Oak Hill. Committed to us a few weeks back. Good scorer, but has said himself that he needs to improve on the defensive end.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 28, 2011 22:25:37 GMT -5
took a friend he thought ahead we were not gonna be very good.. he was VERY IMPRESSED by porter even thoe otto didnt have agreat game he was very athletic adn solid and whittington and hollis and henry and jabril and lubbicks toughnees despite missing alot of put backs and starks a jet and great finisher we were FREAKING ASLEEP THE FIRST HALF moving slow mo on d and o LOCKED DOWN D SECOND HALF YUP burst to start adn never looked behind anyway my friend very impressed very much better depth adn team than last year and so much improved play by hollis and markel adn lubbick and henry too and the new frosh and jason worst game of the year just off so HE WAS IMPRESSED AND THAT DONT HAPPEN EASILY sooo ghoyas BEAT BAMA ATTHEIR HOUSE A VERY TOUGH TASK
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 28, 2011 22:27:27 GMT -5
jabril as in kenner LOCK DOWN PHILLY TOUGHNESS AND GREAT D AND HUSTLE yup tough tough tough lock down moves his feet.. in their face.. dont lose his man switches just darn tough AND he can post up smaller guards pretty darn good toooo
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Post by tashoya on Nov 28, 2011 22:37:28 GMT -5
We still really need to learn how to box out and get in position for rebounds. Definitely a better game for Nate and I liked his effort on the offensive end especially. Need to get him a volleyball coach to help him with his hops and he's gotta soften up those hands but definitely a step in the right direction. Would love to have seen Porter pull the trigger on a number of wide open 3 looks. Not sure why he was shying away. Markel's swagger coming along nicely. I would have liked to see some of the greener guys get more run when the lead opened up a bit. And Bowen must love getting ripped for piling on at the end of games but, as with Jabril earlier this year, I was fine with it. I'm not sure why but I liked when Henry stepped over that dude on the floor. Yes, it's disrespectful but it sure looked like Young was talking plenty of smack early and often when he was getting off in the first half and what goes around comes around. Loved, loved Henry's stuff in traffic under the basket. HAVE to have more of that as Tillmon pointed out. Our bigs put the ball on the floor too much in position and in traffic. Relatedly, Nate's post dribble is WAY too high. Was fun to watch Jabril and Tyler jump out of their seats on Nate's slam and Tyler again when Henry flushed it. These guys really look like a team that's playing for each other and that's great to see. This is a fun group of Hoyas with lots of potential and they really look more polished early on than I think we could have reasonably hoped for. Granted, the competition hasn't been stellar but it's been solid enough to exploit weaknesses and also expose some strengths. I really, really like this group.
On another note, I almost forgot how much I liked watching Pat Ewing Jr. run the floor.
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Post by msb03 on Nov 28, 2011 22:38:25 GMT -5
Highlight of the night: Nate's monstrous dunk followed by Roy Hibbert jumping around like a little girl that just got a pony!
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Post by JB5 on Nov 28, 2011 22:43:20 GMT -5
Watched the game from the lower bowl and a few things stood out. 1) Nate really does the little things that help the team. When the offense worked, the ball went through him. He also gets after every rebound and plays smart inside D. Whatever points he gets are icing on the cake. 2) As others have noted, Jabril's defense is a joy for us old time Hoya fans to watch. He keeps his feet moving and disrupts the opposition. 3) Starks played a smart game, looked for his shot when he was open, penetrated and dished when the opening was there. 4) Hollis had a strong all around game. Didn't force things and played hard on D. 5) With a relatively small crowd, the arena was quiet, and you could hear the team communicating on D, calling the screens and the switches.
The Hoyas started slow, and the IUPUIes shot the lights out for a while, keeping things close, but the end result was what it should have been: a big margin over an inferior team. Hope we see the same things when the competition gets better.
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Post by mapei on Nov 28, 2011 22:48:33 GMT -5
Bubble, thanks for the clue re DSR. Googled him, looks like a great get for us.
Oddly, I completely missed Henry's T. I noticed some commotion on the floor but couldn't figure out what it was about or who caused it. Possibly a situation where watching TV replays helps.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 28, 2011 22:58:50 GMT -5
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Post by chep3 on Nov 28, 2011 23:01:01 GMT -5
Chep, Have you had the chance to see DSR play? Offensively,he is LIGHTYEARS ahead of Jabril. And to me, is much more suited to play 2 guard in our offense than Jabril. Also, don't be shocked to see Whittington start at the 2 next year. I love what Jabril brings to this team. I just don't see him as a starter in next couple years. Time will tell. Not outside of youtube, so I'll admit that I'm far from an expert. I don't doubt that he is offensively superior to Jabril. And I don't doubt that he will be a big contributor and get tons of run for us next year. I guess I just see him as splitting backup minutes at the 2 with Greg and taking backup minutes at the 1 (I think Greg will be the versatile 6th man who plays time at the 2, backs up Otto at the 3, and plays 3 when Otto goes to the 4). I just see Jabril as not offensively limited, but just a freshman on that end of the court. His offense will come as he gets more settled and comfortable. I don't see him lighting up the world next year offensively, but I see him scoring enough to contribute. And with very unproven big men next year (even more so than this year), we're going to have to defend from the outside in. Jabril is the one guard (Greg included) that consistently stays in front of his man. I think his defense leads to him starting.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 28, 2011 23:05:09 GMT -5
Chep, Have you had the chance to see DSR play? Offensively,he is LIGHTYEARS ahead of Jabril. And to me, is much more suited to play 2 guard in our offense than Jabril. Also, don't be shocked to see Whittington start at the 2 next year. I love what Jabril brings to this team. I just don't see him as a starter in next couple years. Time will tell. Not outside of youtube, so I'll admit that I'm far from an expert. I don't doubt that he is offensively superior to Jabril. And I don't doubt that he will be a big contributor and get tons of run for us next year. I guess I just see him as splitting backup minutes at the 2 with Greg and taking backup minutes at the 1 (I think Greg will be the versatile 6th man who plays time at the 2, backs up Otto at the 3, and plays 3 when Otto goes to the 4). I just see Jabril as not offensively limited, but just a freshman on that end of the court. His offense will come as he gets more settled and comfortable. I don't see him lighting up the world next year offensively, but I see him scoring enough to contribute. And with very unproven big men next year (even more so than this year), we're going to have to defend from the outside in. Jabril is the one guard (Greg included) that consistently stays in front of his man. I think his defense leads to him starting. I haven't seen enough of DSR either but Jabril is already getting more comfortable and his handle is better than advertised. DSR is going to have to be pretty special to steal Jabril's minutes if Trawick continues to improve.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 28, 2011 23:06:35 GMT -5
Yeah at the game I did not see them signal a Technical. I saw the scuffle, but never saw them motion for the T. I assume it was offsetting technicals because they didn't shoot Free Throws from what I remember.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 28, 2011 23:19:32 GMT -5
HSB, that's what it was. A T given to each side.
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Nov 28, 2011 23:34:33 GMT -5
Chep, Have you had the chance to see DSR play? Offensively,he is LIGHTYEARS ahead of Jabril. And to me, is much more suited to play 2 guard in our offense than Jabril. Also, don't be shocked to see Whittington start at the 2 next year. I love what Jabril brings to this team. I just don't see him as a starter in next couple years. Time will tell. Not outside of youtube, so I'll admit that I'm far from an expert. I don't doubt that he is offensively superior to Jabril. And I don't doubt that he will be a big contributor and get tons of run for us next year. I guess I just see him as splitting backup minutes at the 2 with Greg and taking backup minutes at the 1 (I think Greg will be the versatile 6th man who plays time at the 2, backs up Otto at the 3, and plays 3 when Otto goes to the 4). I just see Jabril as not offensively limited, but just a freshman on that end of the court. His offense will come as he gets more settled and comfortable. I don't see him lighting up the world next year offensively, but I see him scoring enough to contribute. And with very unproven big men next year (even more so than this year), we're going to have to defend from the outside in. Jabril is the one guard (Greg included) that consistently stays in front of his man. I think his defense leads to him starting. I agree with you on many fronts. Greg as a 6th man is appealing. And I also believe that Jabril will get better offensively with time. However, Jabril does not have a consistent J. And I'm not convinced time and comfort will fix that. An integral part of our offense is the guards ability to shoot the 3. When you put him out there with 3 of Otto, Greg, Clark and Markel it is masked nicely since you have 3 other guys who are far more efficient from deep. While next year is far off, I will be very interested to see how JT3 adjusts our offensive scheme to rely less on the 3 as we will have multiple guards with great driving and finishing ability rather than pure jump shooting ability. Either way, the future is bright and that is exciting from our standpoint.
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