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Post by bigelephant on Sept 17, 2011 13:37:26 GMT -5
Those of you who DO NOT think this is an unmitigated disaster are living in La-La land. And playing Cuse and Pitt H/H in OOC and getting our brains kicked in 4 games is a great idea???
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Post by guru on Sept 17, 2011 13:37:38 GMT -5
What a shock that Syracuse is one of the two schools pulling the pin on the Big East grenade. Because when I think of Syracuse, I think of words like integrity, honesty, loyalty, and class. I love to dump on Syracuse as much as anyone, but this seems unfair. The entire college sports landscape is changing irrevocably - and whether we like it or not, schools like Syracuse and Pitt and a few other schools in the current Big East are operating at another level. Sentimental attachments to formerly great rivalries (let's face it, even Gtown/Cuse hasn't been a national marquee matchup for a few decades now) will wilt in the face of all that money. Any school would do this, including I think us if the roles were reversed. It's a sad day. Whatever replaces it will never be half as much fun as the Big East, especially the tournament at MSG. But if we're honest, even the BET has been all but ruined by starting at 10 am on a Tuesday and stretching on forever. Today is the culmination of a collapse that has been inevitable for quite some time. Sad day overall. Very sad day
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Sept 17, 2011 13:49:55 GMT -5
It is what it is. Football rules the day, and that's the world we live in right now.
But people who say that we're done as a powerhouse simply need to pump their brakes. We will survive, simply because there are too many schools in the same boat as we are. Nova, St. John's, the Hall, Marquette, Providence, Kansas, K-State just those come to mind as schools who don't have bigtime football programs. Memphis is a national power in C-USA. I mean, cmon. You roll with the punches, and you figure it out. Georgetown is as big a brand name in college basketball as it is out there. We will still field a team, still have a great program, still compete at the highest level in recruiting. I'm sick of the debbie downers on this board. It's almost like they look for stuff in order to spew their venom.
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Post by thebin on Sept 17, 2011 13:51:48 GMT -5
There is no reason for us to even consider staying in a conference w any IA football schools. We must get away from that kryptonite forever. Even if a school isn't currently attractive to any bcs conference, that's all they will be looking to do. Let's get away from all football schools forever. I cannot disagree with you more. If you think Georgetown can compete for elite recruits and fill Verizon Center with teams like Dayton and St. Bonaventure, you might as well pack it in, call up the Patriot League and wish our coaches well into the NBA. Its not what I want DFW. It is merely the Writing On the Wall. We could stick around for a few years of death throes if you like, but I'd prefer to just move on. No reason whatsover it has to be a St. Bonnaventure-level league. Doesn't have to be 18 friggen teams either. You could make a great conference with 12 or so basketball only schools. Its not what I want, it is the new reality though. Would it be as good as last year's Big East? Nope. But Cuse and Pitt killed the Big East today and that's a fact that we will be better off facing sooner rather than later.
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Post by gunny on Sept 17, 2011 13:54:13 GMT -5
Question for everyone. Pitt and Syracuse going to the ACC means that the pot for all the ACC teams get smaller or does it contact get re-opened or is there a clause that would increase the revenue based on teams. My point is if I were Wake Forest or the like do I want to decrease my revenue just so we can add two more teams. I do not think Pitt and Syracuse will bring additional revenues in that would offset this loss.
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 17, 2011 14:02:41 GMT -5
ok ok sad day money and BIG FOOTBALL RULES so lets get working on a cathloic league for BBALL yup st johns nova providence marqutette seton hall as the basis lets get together and a couple of more and then wowoooooooowoow forget the freaking football its a freakshow out there now. time to move move move and move on yup i thinks theres a few more great catholic NONFOOTBALL SCHOOLS OUT THERE right.. lets get em and roll.. 8-10 teams play each other old fashionded home and home yup lets do it.. go hoyas
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 17, 2011 14:03:34 GMT -5
or is that home and away never quite get that one go hoyas
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 17, 2011 14:18:50 GMT -5
ok ok sad day money and BIG i thinks theres a few more great catholic NONFOOTBALL SCHOOLS OUT THERE right.. lets get em and roll.. 8-10 teams play each other old fashionded home and home yup lets do it.. go hoyas We're speaking among friends, but such a setup would be the deathknell of major college basketball at Georgetown. We both know the diminished revenue from playing these welterweight schools would not maintain Georgetown's athletic program as we know it. At that point, Georgetown basketball would start looking a lot more like Georgetown football. (Who lost to Yale, BTW, 37-27.)
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Post by thebin on Sept 17, 2011 14:23:15 GMT -5
DFW- we know that, we don't want it. We didn't do it. Cuse and Pitt did. This morning. Did you hear that noise? That actually was the deathknell of major college basketball at Gtown. Not immediately, but inevitably. Good thing in college basketball, unlike football, "mid majors" can make Final Four runs. That's what we will be if that term makes anymore sense these days. One of the best mid majors hopefully, but it is what it is.
We're really going to need an A10 sized on campus gym soon. The thought of playing in front of 6000 at MCI is too depressing to behold.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 17, 2011 14:24:41 GMT -5
DFW- we know that, we don't want it. We didn't do it. Cuse and Pitt did. This morning. Did you hear that noise? That actually was the deathknell of major college basketball. We're really going to need an A10 sized on campus gym soon. The thought of playing in front of 6000 at MCI is too depressing to behold. That ship has sailed. There will be no new on-campus gym at Georgetown, even if meant shutting the program down.
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Post by thebin on Sept 17, 2011 14:26:09 GMT -5
How can you be so sure that will never have a decent medium sized gym but remain optimistic that somehow were going to still be in a BCS conference?
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Post by thebin on Sept 17, 2011 14:27:49 GMT -5
This friggen blows.
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Post by thebin on Sept 17, 2011 14:28:59 GMT -5
Why the hell isn't our buyout the same size as the ACCs?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 17, 2011 14:34:39 GMT -5
I think for now the best move is to keep the Big East conglomerate model. Replace Pitt and Cuse with someone from the B12 if possible or CUSA if we get desperate. Joining up with the bball only schools doesn't seem to be the way to go. It may happen eventually, but we should try and ride the BCS wave as long as possible.
The school is currently looking for a satellite campus for the school of continuing studies. They need to change their search parameters and find a satellite campus that can also house some athletic facilities like a basketball arena.
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 17, 2011 14:35:29 GMT -5
Why the hell isn't our buyout the same size as the ACCs? Too many schools wanted the option to leave...
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Post by thebin on Sept 17, 2011 14:39:48 GMT -5
Not sure if you are serious but put our home games in a satelite campus outside of dc and say hello to an average attendance of about 4k tops.
I cant believe people still want to dance with a IA football devil by adding a couple of midwestern programs that dont even want us. The big east is on life support. Lets get the hell out of it for good before the music stops and we have no chair because we keep deluding ourself that it is still 1990.
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Post by jgalt on Sept 17, 2011 14:41:37 GMT -5
Everyone who thinks this is still about Money needs to think again. There is no way to make more money with these moves. The Big East's new TV contract will/would be bigger than the ACCs per school. Going to the ACC doesnt make Pitt or Cuse any more money. It is a LATERAL move. They both will have the same odds of winning in football as they do in the BE. Neither can sell more tickets to basketball (for Duke and UNC, sure, but I dont think Clemson on a tuesday night is very appealing.) This is all about power. Im not the only one who thinks this. Here is an article about the actuall PEOPLE making this decisions (and its not ADs or Coaches): www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15585204/need-college-football-changed-forever-call-your-dentistBoeheim said he doesnt like super conferences (this was yesterday). Cuse wont leave for 27 month. What are the odds Boeheim wont be coaching in 27? Fairly good I'd say whether Cuse is in the Big East or not. Boeheim is the only reason people play at Cuse. Its not the weather, its not the girls, its not the education. Its the Coach. And if hes not there then they are going to suck. Dixon doesnt want to coach outside the Big East at Pitt. But he is highly coveted. He could easily coach at any big time program in the country. The only people who benefit from this possible move is the ACC because they get better in Basketball and moderately better in the Football. But Pitt and Cuse dont benefit in the long term. What should Gtown do? Well for a while I thought gtown shoult bolt and try to join the ACC or something or go for a new basketball only conference (even trying to after a Kansas or something). But now I think gtown should stay put. Live in the carcass of the Big East (even if more people leave), because you have to protect the one asset that the Big East has- NYC and MSG. In five or six or seven years we will be at the same point we are in now and the super conferences will be collapsing. Gtown along with Nova and St. Johns (and maybe UConn if they focus on BBall) will be in a good position to be a conference adding teams instead of giving teams. (This is all help of course if gtown keeps winning, which is can do out side the Big East as long as JTIII is here).
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 17, 2011 14:45:29 GMT -5
The school is currently looking for a satellite campus for the school of continuing studies. They need to change their search parameters and find a satellite campus that can also house some athletic facilities like a basketball arena. Unless that satellite campus is in Frederick County, the real estate market and Georgetown's lack of cash flow make that unlikely. You can put Continuing Studies in an office building in Reston and call it a campus. You can't do that with athletics facilities, of which Georgetown has a decades-long mess for facilities with any of its sports. It's not time to raise the white flag, however. Adding West Virginia and Rutgers didn't seem like the "Big East" in 1995, but it worked. Adding Louisville and Cincinnati didn't seem like the "Big East" in 2005, but it worked. If it means Temple and Central Florida, or Kansas and K-State, or Baylor and Tulane, whoever, get it done. Playing in the NIT Catholic League is a one way trip to Georgetown becoming the next Fordham or Holy Cross.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Sept 17, 2011 14:46:53 GMT -5
One Hail Mary option that a non-bcs basketball conference might have at its disposal is courting Duke. They clearly have never been interested in upgrading their program to be competitive even in the current ACC, let alone in some football-centric superconference. They have always done the absolute minimum necessary to field a team - if they weren't so dominant in bball, the ACC would have had a Temple-like discussion with them long ago. Even if they were inclined to upgrade, I doubt they could. Maybe they would prefer to milk their cash cow and avoid the money drain that is big time football.
OK gotta go, the meds are wearing off...
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Post by CaliHoya on Sept 17, 2011 14:46:54 GMT -5
this news today has ruined my year. at a minimum, we need to build new state-of-the-art practice facilities ASAP (fundraising campaign kicking off in October, I believe). next step, finding the right conference. I wish the NCAA would change rules to make superconferences less appealing. There's no perfect solution right now, but given the $$ incentives, superconferences makes sense with the current rules.
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