KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Aug 2, 2011 17:47:48 GMT -5
We just offered this 2013 PG today. He's added like 15 offers this summer though so its a crowded field.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 2, 2011 19:07:07 GMT -5
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Aug 3, 2011 8:52:50 GMT -5
enj will be happy.
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deacon
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Post by deacon on Aug 3, 2011 9:43:47 GMT -5
He was a revelation in Orlando.
Good quickness off the dribble, good shooter, ball-handler and finisher around the basket but is a fantastic passer. Decent defender but plays hard. Also has a high basketball IQ and plays with a poise that belies his age. The perfect point guard for our system.
Glad to see Georgetown offered because he definitely looked like a top-five PG in a very good class.
And if he comes, maybe he'll bring Xavier Mayes and Andre Wiggins with him.
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gahoya
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Post by gahoya on Aug 3, 2011 12:08:56 GMT -5
He was a revelation in Orlando. Good quickness off the dribble, good shooter, ball-handler and finisher around the basket basket but is a fantastic passer. Decent defender but plays hard. Also has a high basketball IQ and plays with a poise that belies his age. The perfect point guard for our system. Glad to see Georgetown offered because he definitely looked like a top-five PG in a very good class. And if he comes, maybe he'll bring Xavier Mayes and Andre Wiggins with him. Don't know anything about him-would we rather get him or Britt? Is it also that were more likely to get him than Britt?
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deacon
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Post by deacon on Aug 3, 2011 14:04:36 GMT -5
He was a revelation in Orlando. Good quickness off the dribble, good shooter, ball-handler and finisher around the basket basket but is a fantastic passer. Decent defender but plays hard. Also has a high basketball IQ and plays with a poise that belies his age. The perfect point guard for our system. Glad to see Georgetown offered because he definitely looked like a top-five PG in a very good class. And if he comes, maybe he'll bring Xavier Mayes and Andre Wiggins with him. Don't know anything about him-would we rather get him or Britt? Is it also that were more likely to get him than Britt? Britt's recruitment is in full swing while it seems like Ennis' is just beginning. I think Britt may be more talented but Ennis is no slouch. There's a lot of talent coming out of Canada these days and if getting Ennis helped the program's profile up North, I'd rather have Ennis. If it even helped in the least bit with Wiggins, that would be worth the scholarship alone.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Aug 3, 2011 19:10:51 GMT -5
If both Britt and Ennis are roughly equivalent talents, I'd MUCH rather land the player from D.C. rather than the player from Canada. Much more important to keep a lock on local talent.
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deacon
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Post by deacon on Aug 3, 2011 20:17:29 GMT -5
If both Britt and Ennis are roughly equivalent talents, I'd MUCH rather land the player from D.C. rather than the player from Canada. Much more important to keep a lock on local talent. I disagree. CIA Bounce is LOADED and will be funneling top talent to high-major programs for the foreseeable future. I'd much rather expand into new territory and make new relationships that could bear fruit down the line.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Aug 3, 2011 23:51:45 GMT -5
Ennis has been on Hoya radar for a while but finally got the offer-he's played HS ball in States at St. Benedicts in NJ--so not like he's just blowing up.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Aug 4, 2011 0:09:36 GMT -5
I guess I have a strong bias for the local talent. The Hoyas have been most dominant on the national scene when they have been able to lock up the top local talent, and then go outside for the single, McDAA ringer to top it off. Ewing's teams were almost exclusively D.C. talent, with Ewing as the consummate icing recruit. Jackson, Martin, Reggie, Wingate, Freddy, Gene, and Graham were all local to DC/Bmore.
The late 1970s teams were almost all D.C. talent (Duren and Shelton the standouts), and then JT was able to land a huge sleeper in Sleepy.
Mourning and Iverson are arguably local, but even they were surrounded by D.C. talent, except some New Orleans talent for Zo and Othella for Iverson. Smitty and Tillmon. Page and Jerome.
Sweetney and Braswell were local.
Hibbert, Green, and Summers were local.
Wright, Freeman, Clark were local. With Greg as the icing. Didn't work out.
If Britt is local and potentially great, you have to try to lock him up over equivalent non-local talent.
I see CIA as a nice potential pipeline (like we used to have in New Orleans, and that maybe were are developing in Mississippi now), but those areas can't be counted on as much. The top DC/Baltimore/VA kids should always be a priority, all things being equal.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Aug 4, 2011 11:00:25 GMT -5
I guess I have a strong bias for the local talent. The Hoyas have been most dominant on the national scene when they have been able to lock up the top local talent, and then go outside for the single, McDAA ringer to top it off. Ewing's teams were almost exclusively D.C. talent, with Ewing as the consummate icing recruit. Jackson, Martin, Reggie, Wingate, Freddy, Gene, and Graham were all local to DC/Bmore. The late 1970s teams were almost all D.C. talent (Duren and Shelton the standouts), and then JT was able to land a huge sleeper in Sleepy. Mourning and Iverson are arguably local, but even they were surrounded by D.C. talent, except some New Orleans talent for Zo and Othella for Iverson. Smitty and Tillmon. Page and Jerome. Sweetney and Braswell were local. Hibbert, Green, and Summers were local. Wright, Freeman, Clark were local. With Greg as the icing. Didn't work out. If Britt is local and potentially great, you have to try to lock him up over equivalent non-local talent. I see CIA as a nice potential pipeline (like we used to have in New Orleans, and that maybe were are developing in Mississippi now), but those areas can't be counted on as much. The top DC/Baltimore/VA kids should always be a priority, all things being equal. You're talking about a different era. These days--it's about getting the best talent you can and with AAU/Outside influences, you have to get kids who want to come to your program and not just use it as a "safety school" until they know the Duke, UNC, Kentucky offers aren't coming. I'd rather have a Tyler Ennis or Rysheed Jordan if they want to be Hoyas then a Nate Britt who mentions how aggressively Georgetown is recruiting him and then talks about other programs he hopes get involved. (nothing against him-it's his right and if he's looking for a program that fits him that could be best to go elsewhere). Will say I tire of hearing how Mark Turgeon is all of the sudden some sort of Jerry Tarkanian or Paul Westhead when it comes to pace of play when the guy played at a slower offensive pace then III has at Georgetown.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Aug 4, 2011 18:38:48 GMT -5
We are certainly not talking about a different era. JTIII's signing of Wright, Freeman, Clark, and Sims and bringing in Monroe as the icing was stealing the exact recruiting page out of JTII's book. Exact blueprint replica. It can still be done and should be done when your college is located in a city with major high school hoops talent.
Your argument, which you have repeatedly made on the board about Britt, is less an argument for recruiting the best talent regardless of location, and more an argument about focusing energy and resources recruiting the kids who want to come and that we have a realistic chance at landing.
I actually don't disagree, but think JTII's proven recruiting strategy can co-exist with yours.
If you believe we gave it a serious shot and it is turning out that Britt is not coming or not feeling the vibe, then I don't disagree on coming up with a non-local plan B and ultimately moving on. Can't cut off your nose to spite your face.
But you have to give Britt a hard look and strong love if he is top local/national talent and fits the system and other recruiting criteria.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Aug 6, 2011 16:06:10 GMT -5
If both Britt and Ennis are roughly equivalent talents, I'd MUCH rather land the player from D.C. rather than the player from Canada. Much more important to keep a lock on local talent. I disagree. CIA Bounce is LOADED and will be funneling top talent to high-major programs for the foreseeable future. I'd much rather expand into new territory and make new relationships that could bear fruit down the line. ID... you know it! And you know I have been banging the drum to get some exposure up here. High end Toronto talent will rival any city in the USA. Dixon and Calhoun were just at the Carribana tourney a few weeks back. Where were we? The T dot was ripe for the picking, and Hoyas have a great name. But the trip to China I am sure will get us many a recruit...
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 6, 2011 21:37:00 GMT -5
Hoyas are flying to China via Toronto. There are direct flights from DC Clearly they're stopping in toronto for recruiting purposes.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Aug 6, 2011 21:47:20 GMT -5
Hoyas also are involved with '14 Canadian PG prospect Kevin Zabo.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Aug 7, 2011 12:14:46 GMT -5
enj will be orgasmic now.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Aug 7, 2011 12:34:39 GMT -5
Hoyas are flying to China via Toronto. There are direct flights from DC Clearly they're stopping in toronto for recruiting purposes. Actually the area the airport is located in has plenty of Asians living just east of there. If they wanted to get the Chinese experience, all they had to do was head over to Markham.
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Post by frozenhoya on Aug 7, 2011 13:10:02 GMT -5
Or they could turn west, recruit their way across Brampton and stay in lovely Georgetown, Ontario (my hometown and original connection to the Georgetown Hoyas (circa Sleepy) before heading south for a couple of law degrees). I say take the Canadian kids and recruit over the memory of Pascal Fleury.
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 15, 2011 21:27:38 GMT -5
Scout update claims Hoyas have "put themselves in a good position" with Ennis and will definitely be getting a visit from him. Considered one of the top 10 PGs in the class of 2013.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Sept 15, 2011 21:55:22 GMT -5
It may come down to Ennis and Jordan. I hear Hoyas are in good shape with him as well.
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