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Post by blueandgray on Sept 15, 2011 22:04:42 GMT -5
Given that DSR may not be considered a true point, would his commitment to the Hoyas impact our chances with either Ennis or Jordan?
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Post by RDF on Sept 15, 2011 22:36:36 GMT -5
Given that DSR may not be considered a true point, would his commitment to the Hoyas impact our chances with either Ennis or Jordan? If it does-it's beyond stupid by any school. Smith Rivera is a tweener and role player in a championship contending program, and a star on a mediocre team who can win a few games but never contend. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 16, 2011 0:24:39 GMT -5
The problem is not whether a commitment by DSR will affect the Hoyas' chances with other guys because of his position. The problem instead is the lack of scholarships for the next two years. Folks here keep throwing out these ideas about bringing in around six guys combined for 2012 and 2013 but have yet to indicate how that can be done. Gtown is limited in terms of the availability of scholarships.
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 16, 2011 7:11:59 GMT -5
The problem is not whether a commitment by DSR will affect the Hoyas' chances with other guys because of his position. The problem instead is the lack of scholarships for the next two years. Folks here keep throwing out these ideas about bringing in around six guys combined for 2012 and 2013 but have yet to indicate how that can be done. Gtown is limited in terms of the availability of scholarships. I heard GU has a plan to address exactly that. They'll be sending a couple of assistants to a workshop on schollie management being run by some expert from Storrs. |
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 16, 2011 9:37:20 GMT -5
The problem is not whether a commitment by DSR will affect the Hoyas' chances with other guys because of his position. The problem instead is the lack of scholarships for the next two years. Folks here keep throwing out these ideas about bringing in around six guys combined for 2012 and 2013 but have yet to indicate how that can be done. Gtown is limited in terms of the availability of scholarships. At a minimum, we can bring in 4 guys over the next two years. It's not out of the question that 2 of the available schollies go to guards. |
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Post by idhoya on Sept 16, 2011 9:49:45 GMT -5
That's a good point MCI. It'd be great if GU had this years schollies for '13. Unfortunately, they couldn't afford to sit on them. Glad they didn't; love the kids they brought in. Anyway, they have to be very careful/stingy with the three schollies for '13. I say three cause I think Hollis is gone after this year. As I've said before, you HAVE to take Troy. That leaves two. I've begun to waver a bit on Noel, but we'll see. And you need a true pg; Ennis and Jordan seem to be the Hoyas top targets for the spot in '13. Not sure about Britt, but he's Gonzaga. Other kids like Freeman, who I think is a beast, Meeks, Anya, Domingo, Davon Reed, etc. may be back burner recruits since there is such a limitation.
This is fun to follow cause just a few years ago the Hoyas weren't mentioned with many top 50 kids and never got them anyway.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Sept 16, 2011 10:27:50 GMT -5
I'd much prefer to only give out 1 more additional scholarship for 2012 and hold on to the rest for 2013. We essentially have 7 players in the same class with both Moses and Bowen having a redshirt year. We need to spread out those scholarships unless of course we are able to land a couple of uber studs (Kyle, Warren, Pollard etc). If we don't get Kyle, i say roll the dice on our ballhandling situation and wait for a true 2013 PG.
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Post by RDF on Sept 16, 2011 10:39:59 GMT -5
I ignore the "scholarship situation" because we know some guys are going to be moving onto other places--it happens every year and until there are consecutive years of players staying, I'm assuming some people will be transferring at end of year.
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Post by idhoya on Sept 16, 2011 11:04:56 GMT -5
But who leaves RDF? I ask because all of the guys brought in have a legit shot at being good players for 2/3/4 years. Maybe Otto leaves early, but I don't see it. You never know though. I guess what I'm saying is clearly in the past there were guys who you knew weren't gonna get run cause they weren't as talented. These five guys plus Moses and Bowen are very talented and have a chance to be very good four year guys. I see this nucleus staying at least three years.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Sept 16, 2011 11:21:04 GMT -5
RDF, normally i would agree with you but i'm with ID on this one. We have such a young team and JT3 clearly likes the new guys that they are going to get a chance to play. Plus most of these guys can play 2 or 3 positions so they won't be pigeon-holed.
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 16, 2011 11:24:41 GMT -5
Who leaves? Whoever is at the end of the bench is a candidate to leave. Whoever has us scratching our heads as to why they aren't getting more time (read: Vee). Whoever has given us a verbal but who hasn't signed. Whoever we recruit over should we land another a stud in 2012. My guess is that at least one of these scenarios happen.
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Post by RDF on Sept 16, 2011 11:31:27 GMT -5
You guys can think what you want--I'll stick with formula that's proven to be true after each season. Nothing against any player, just how things work out in sports--not everyone is going to accept their role or how the coach perceives their role to be, so they move on. It's much more accepting when it's due to competition settling it--as we saw in III's early years--certain guys just got beat out and weren't going to play due to fact they weren't as good--and they wanted to play somewhere--so they left. I've got no problem with that--it's life in big time D1 athletics.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 16, 2011 11:32:32 GMT -5
If we don't get Anderson on tuesday I hope we go out and get the best available 2012 player and then focus on 2013. Obviously don't stop recruiting other 2012 studs, but focus on 2013. I know we don't have that many scholarships but imagine a '13 class of Ennis or Jordan, Williams, Meeks, and Noel
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 16, 2011 11:34:30 GMT -5
Who leaves? Whoever is at the end of the bench is a candidate to leave. Whoever has us scratching our heads as to why they aren't getting more time (read: Vee). Whoever has given us a verbal but who hasn't signed. Whoever we recruit over should we land another a stud in 2012. My guess is that at least one of these scenarios happen. Right - here's the reality: you can bring in 4 per year as a starting point. That'd put you at sixteen, of course, but that just means three early entry/transfers our of four classes. That means 2012 and 2013 could have eight guys across it -- except I'd adjust down because we took five this year. So maybe seven. How the heck do we get to seven? Hollis, Henry and Jason will be gone at some time, and we've got an open scholarship. Does that mean I'm counting on three transfers over two years (4+3=7)? Yes, I don't think that's unlikely. Problem is, they realistically need to transfer out by the end of this year to effectively open up a 2013 scholarship. So I think 5-6 over the two years is more realistic. But it'll be more than 4. |
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Sept 16, 2011 11:38:18 GMT -5
You do have point. Someone always leaves, that's been proven. We might lose someone since we do have alot of the same type of players. Still, i believe, maybe i'm being hopeful, that this freshman class will provide a stable core for the next several years.
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Post by RDF on Sept 16, 2011 11:46:14 GMT -5
You do have point. Someone always leaves, that's been proven. We might lose someone since we do have alot of the same type of players. Still, i believe, maybe i'm being hopeful, that this freshman class will provide a stable core for the next several years. I don't see any FR leaving--that would be shocking to me because they are the group that is going to change the culture around here and in many ways already has--which is not only great, it was beyond needed. |
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Post by KennaHoya on Sept 16, 2011 12:09:10 GMT -5
You can't argue the history - it has been what it has been, and sadly so in my book. As they say, however, in at least one other line of work, past performance does not guarantee future results. And for several reasons, for at least the next three semesters, there is hope for a change.
First, most of the transfers that have come in the past few years have grown out of players who were expected to be "supporting" players in their first few years, and probably beyond, growing uncomfortable with that role (Nikita, Omar, Jerrelle). Even Vee, who many thought should play more, was never expected to be Chris Wright or Jason Clark. These guys seem different and part of a group that the coach likes as a whole to contribute.
Second, from the very beginning many of the guys who have transferred were seeing little time, and projected to see little time, for the first few years. Now we have not really seen any college games yet, but at least in China not including Bayi, ten guys got between 18 and 24 minutes of playing time (some games were 48 minutes). And JT III has not given any indication that some of the newbies are developmental projects not likely to play much early; in the past he has done so.
Third, it would be really nice to go through a period without any speculation about unhappiness or transfer. I'd like that more than an open schollie (or two), even if it was going to be used to chase down multiple prospects. Even though the transfer of kids who want more playing time is a reality in today's NCAA, I don't think this program should want to plan to use it as a method for restocking scholarships.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 16, 2011 12:19:14 GMT -5
I would not be at all surprised to see one of the freshmen leave after the 2012-2013 season. That's just the way things seem to go. I would be shocked if one left after this season, but even that is possible, if one ends up riding the pine. What is weird, though, is that through circumstances beyond our control, we are set to have a team with seven sophomores next year. That's way too many for a single class.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 16, 2011 14:33:34 GMT -5
As much as I agree with the people saying that it seems like JTIII will get more people on the roster PT this year, there were still be odd men out. Even if we WERE to go 10 deep, there would be 3 scholarship players not getting minutes. Fortunately, those 3 are usually projects, FR, or players that don't mind being supporters. Transfers usually come when one of those 3 are unhappy, typically because they think they deserve more PT but sometimes for other reasons. No use thinking about who would leave until we can see who won't be getting PT: will it be an upperclassmen that isn't performing, an underclassman that thought they would be getting PT sooner, or maybe even someone who just isn't happy by being passed up by all these wings that we just recruited. At this time, we have the scholarships we have and there is no use speculating that players will leave (even if it is a trend) and banking on that for recruiting. For recruiting: a bird in hand is ALWAYS better then two in the bush.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Sept 16, 2011 14:39:58 GMT -5
We also can't assume that all transfers are motivated by PT concerns. Let's not forget that a kid might hate the homework or the weather or the city, or have a sick relative back home. Even the ones getting PT, who enjoy playing on this team, won't necessarily be here for four years.
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