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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 16, 2011 14:42:03 GMT -5
We also can't assume that all transfers are motivated by PT concerns. Let's not forget that a kid might hate the homework or the weather or the city, or have a sick relative back home. Even the ones getting PT, who enjoy playing on this team, won't necessarily be here for four years. Thats completely true...why I said its usually the cause.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Sept 16, 2011 14:49:55 GMT -5
As much as I agree with the people saying that it seems like JTIII will get more people on the roster PT this year, there were still be odd men out. Even if we WERE to go 10 deep, there would be 3 scholarship players not getting minutes. Fortunately, those 3 are usually projects, FR, or players that don't mind being supporters. Transfers usually come when one of those 3 are unhappy, typically because they think they deserve more PT but sometimes for other reasons. No use thinking about who would leave until we can see who won't be getting PT: will it be an upperclassmen that isn't performing, an underclassman that thought they would be getting PT sooner, or maybe even someone who just isn't happy by being passed up by all these wings that we just recruited. At this time, we have the scholarships we have and there is no use speculating that players will leave (even if it is a trend) and banking on that for recruiting. For recruiting: a bird in hand is ALWAYS better then two in the bush. I understand with the overall point and don't necessarily disagree, but don't we only have 11 scholarship players available to play? Moses isn't playing this year. I hope we can/should go a little deeper than years past. If Otto gets spot minutes at the 4 since Moses is hurt, that might mean minutes for Greg/Aaron at the 2 since Hollis will be at the 3. And being so young, I would think fouls could be an issues, as has been discussed. so hopefully everyone will get an opportunity to contribute.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 16, 2011 15:02:03 GMT -5
In terms of our team, correct BVB, I was just looking at the big picture. I think we should be able to get minutes for everyone, especially if Aaron can get minutes at the two. I'm not too concerned about Greg quite yet, even if he doesn't get PT in the beginning.
On the foul issue, it seems like our defense will be more aggressive, due to more aggressive players and hopefully more aggressive scheme, so that will also cause more fouls. In that case, maybe it will give time for our 10th and 11th scholly players to get PT...I don't think we will consistently go deeper then 9.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Sept 16, 2011 15:19:24 GMT -5
You are probably right on the total #s and on Greg. Maybe it takes a little while for him to reach his high ceiling, but having an Anderson/Ennis/Jordan type of playmaker will help.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 16, 2011 17:06:01 GMT -5
You guys can think what you want--I'll stick with formula that's proven to be true after each season. Nothing against any player, just how things work out in sports--not everyone is going to accept their role or how the coach perceives their role to be, so they move on. It's much more accepting when it's due to competition settling it--as we saw in III's early years--certain guys just got beat out and weren't going to play due to fact they weren't as good--and they wanted to play somewhere--so they left. I've got no problem with that--it's life in big time D1 athletics. That's all fine and good for us to say, but as a head coach you can't be irresponsible by offering scholarships that you don't have. Well, not unless your name is Calhoun. III just can't say to himself "hey, one or more of the guys will transfer so its all good." He has to be very careful.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 16, 2011 17:09:53 GMT -5
But who leaves RDF? I ask because all of the guys brought in have a legit shot at being good players for 2/3/4 years. Maybe Otto leaves early, but I don't see it. You never know though. I guess what I'm saying is clearly in the past there were guys who you knew weren't gonna get run cause they weren't as talented. These five guys plus Moses and Bowen are very talented and have a chance to be very good four year guys. I see this nucleus staying at least three years. I think we are still underestimating this current crop of freshmen and I think because they don't come in with the hype of a Kyle Anderson or some other highly touted All-American. If Austin Freeman or Chris Wright had as an impressive Kenner League debut as an incoming frosh as Jabril did folks on these boards would have said either would be gone to the pros after two years.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 16, 2011 18:03:16 GMT -5
You guys can think what you want--I'll stick with formula that's proven to be true after each season. Nothing against any player, just how things work out in sports--not everyone is going to accept their role or how the coach perceives their role to be, so they move on. It's much more accepting when it's due to competition settling it--as we saw in III's early years--certain guys just got beat out and weren't going to play due to fact they weren't as good--and they wanted to play somewhere--so they left. I've got no problem with that--it's life in big time D1 athletics. That's all fine and good for us to say, but as a head coach you can't be irresponsible by offering scholarships that you don't have. At the same time, even if there is a scholarship crunch, JT3 and staff need to or will continue to recruit in case a premature departure of any kind happens. He cannot be caught with his pants down. In other words, if a top player leaves early (Monroe) or a role player transfers (Macklin), there needs to be a back-up plan, not start from scratch. It's about learning lessons from previous experiences.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 16, 2011 19:32:27 GMT -5
Moving this thread back to Ennis, does anyone know about his teammate Briscoe? We're apparently on him, and Ennis says they want to play together.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 16, 2011 19:44:16 GMT -5
That's all fine and good for us to say, but as a head coach you can't be irresponsible by offering scholarships that you don't have. At the same time, even if there is a scholarship crunch, JT3 and staff need to or will continue to recruit in case a premature departure of any kind happens. He cannot be caught with his pants down. In other words, if a top player leaves early (Monroe) or a role player transfers (Macklin), there needs to be a back-up plan, not start from scratch. It's about learning lessons from previous experiences. Of course. That should always the case. The coach must always have a back-up plan....or three. But that's not the same as offering scholarships BEFORE openings pop up. III's hands are tied to a large extent until he knows who is leaving early or transferring. And by the way there is a chance no one will leave early or transfer. History or no history III doesn't have the luxury of assuming it is by any means a certainty that some player, with eligibility remaining, will pack up and depart.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 16, 2011 19:47:06 GMT -5
Moving this thread back to Ennis, does anyone know about his teammate Briscoe? We're apparently on him, and Ennis says they want to play together. Briscoe is supposedly a very good player. But, again, where do the scholarships come from to bring all of these guys in? By this time next year when the focus on the 2013 class is in full swing the Hoyas may only have one available scholarship to offer to the players of that class.
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Post by alleninxis on Sept 16, 2011 19:48:22 GMT -5
Briscoe is Class of '15.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 16, 2011 19:58:00 GMT -5
Not sure if this was mentioned but it looks like Ennis and Briscoe will be attending our Midnight Madness together.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 16, 2011 20:00:49 GMT -5
We'll have schollys again by that time...good to see that the staff is getting out there early. Surprised we haven't heard a little more about '14
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 16, 2011 20:32:10 GMT -5
Well....okay then.
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Post by IDenj on Sept 17, 2011 9:21:26 GMT -5
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Post by alleninxis on Oct 13, 2011 20:11:26 GMT -5
now attending Syracuse's MM. I say time to double down on 'Sheed Jordan for a PG in '13.
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Post by idhoya on Oct 13, 2011 21:15:53 GMT -5
Glad Sheed is comin to MM.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Dec 16, 2011 14:31:58 GMT -5
have we forgotten about this kid? seems like we are only on rysheed while we have actually offered this kid as well - any update on him?
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Post by RDF on Dec 16, 2011 14:42:44 GMT -5
have we forgotten about this kid? seems like we are only on rysheed while we have actually offered this kid as well - any update on him? Hoyas were on Ennis in a big way and seems like he's cooled on them--was set to visit for MM and then changed his mind and really that was last he's mentioned Hoyas a great deal. No indication that Georgetown moved on-or that he dropped them but he doesn't talk of them nearly as much as he was prior to that MM visit changing.
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Post by Ottomatic on Apr 16, 2012 20:50:51 GMT -5
We need a PG from the 2013 class. I don't want a freshman PG coming in and starting right away. Either Ennis or Jordan, it doesn't matter. One reason that we offered Ennis before Jordan is because he can shoot the 3, but Jordan is more of a traditional PG (pass/drive). Just need to get one of these kids
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