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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 10, 2011 11:00:19 GMT -5
SU will never stop whining. Let's not give them the chance. They can whine all they want when we beat them again in a couple of weeks.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 10, 2011 11:04:29 GMT -5
Lets all have big F'n cry for poor little Ricky. For 2 years he's gotten about half his offensive rebounds on clear pushes below the waist. An obvious one last night against Vaughn in the fisrt half, that the expert announcers credit to great positioning. I give him credit its not a foul unless they call it but he gets way too much respect. I hate to say it but Nate looked like he spent some time down in Durham this summer, its not like he weighs 185lbs.
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Post by Boz on Feb 10, 2011 11:45:11 GMT -5
Lets all have big F'n cry for poor little Ricky. For 2 years he's gotten about half his offensive rebounds on clear pushes below the waist. An obvious one last night against Vaughn in the fisrt half, that the expert announcers credit to great positioning. I give him credit its not a foul unless they call it but he gets way too much respect. I was going to post pretty much this exact same thing, but I decided it would be more fun to poke at Kris Joseph. (I hate him a lot more.) But if Jackson didn't push off, he'd be averaging about 0.25 offensive rebounds per game for his career.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 10, 2011 12:24:20 GMT -5
HEY mr boehiem said when asked that the offensvie fouls looked like flops to him IS THAT A LEAGUE VIOLATION hope the big east officials were watching i think it is definitely complainng about the refs calls. maybe too indirect but INVESTIGATE HIM AND hows about the ncaa coming down like it was supposed to WEEKS ago about the uconn stuff INVESTIGATE THEM BOTH TWO WHINERS NEED LOOOKING INTO go hoyas beat quettte ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 10, 2011 12:41:48 GMT -5
SU was in a position to win until the last four or five minutes, when they stopped playing defense and started launching threes as if they were in a Subway's halftime contest. Jackson should consult a mirror.
Even in a down year, SU usually remains competitive because they always seem to have a player or two who emerges from the shadows to become the go-to guy (Wes Johnson, McNamara etc.). Not the case with this group.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 10, 2011 12:50:57 GMT -5
Just like the good old days - the Hoyas silence the Dome, and jimmy B and his players whine and complain.
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Post by whipple on Feb 10, 2011 12:56:25 GMT -5
I can see them as possibly make-up calls. no way all 11 syracuse blocks were clean. there's just no way.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 10, 2011 12:58:21 GMT -5
jardine, jackson and joseph have improved greatly but it's from scrubs to ok players. they don't have a go-to guy on that team. that is their problem. jackson has one move...dropping his right shoulder backing in and shooting a 3 foot hook. smart players (nate, jv) can get a call once in a while. jardine is just a lazy player. he's ok if things are going good but he completely falls apart down the stretch if one bad play happens, like last night. he threw a terrible pass then loafed on defense. joseph thinks he's a 2. only thinks about scoring from outside. he doesn't defend or rebound worth a crap.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 10, 2011 13:12:12 GMT -5
I always struggle when our board complains about calls mainly because of how bad other boards look when they whine about calls during games they lose to us. Case in point - this morning's posts on the Syracuse board.
Unless it is a final play questionable call that directly affects the outcome of the game (See Villanova/Rutgers; Jeff Green's shot against Vandy), I feel there is very little to gain by discussing refs after losses. Good teams win no matter who is reffing the game. And the vast majority of the time, calls even themselves out over the course of a game.
There was a long 8-10 minute stretch in the first half when it seemed to me that the Hoyas were getting most of the close call. But then later I thought Cuse got bailed out on a few calls late in shot clock situations.
In the end, good teams just find a way to win.
Btw, did the victory last night spark any 2006-07 memories for anyone? It did for me. It was exactly how we seemed to win every tight conference game that season. Tie ball game heading into last 3 minutes, then a methodical, disciplined out-performance of the opposing team in the final few mintues to stretch out a lead into victory.
Last night, we made a series of great, calculated decisions that led to relatively easy buckets. Syracuse made a series of lousy decisions leading to low percentage misses. That final few mintues was all about how the Hoyas made better decisions on offense (and rebounding Syracuse's misses).
Finally, anyone else impressed with Hollis' rebounding this season?
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Post by jld54 on Feb 10, 2011 13:34:45 GMT -5
Jackson's 4th was a dumb play by him. After 2 prior offensive fouls he needlessly wrapped his arm around HT. yes, it was away from the ball but it was clearly a foul. They also missed his shove in the back against JV in the first half -- he should have had that foul.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 10, 2011 13:38:34 GMT -5
I always struggle when our board complains about calls mainly because of how bad other boards look when they whine about calls during games they lose to us. Case in point - this morning's posts on the Syracuse board. Unless it is a final play questionable call that directly affects the outcome of the game (See Villanova/Rutgers; Jeff Green's shot against Vandy), I feel there is very little to gain by discussing refs after losses. Good teams win no matter who is reffing the game. And the vast majority of the time, calls even themselves out over the course of a game. There was a long 8-10 minute stretch in the first half when it seemed to me that the Hoyas were getting most of the close call. But then later I thought Cuse got bailed out on a few calls late in shot clock situations. In the end, good teams just find a way to win. Btw, did the victory last night spark any 2006-07 memories for anyone? It did for me. It was exactly how we seemed to win every tight conference game that season. Tie ball game heading into last 3 minutes, then a methodical, disciplined out-performance of the opposing team in the final few mintues to stretch out a lead into victory. Last night, we made a series of great, calculated decisions that led to relatively easy buckets. Syracuse made a series of lousy decisions leading to low percentage misses. That final few mintues was all about how the Hoyas made better decisions on offense (and rebounding Syracuse's misses). Finally, anyone else impressed with Hollis' rebounding this season? "Vast majority of the time" is the key. But not always. Every now and then you get a Davidson / phantom T at Cameron sprinkled in there. Great point about '06-'07. Last night's last 4-5 minutes eerily looked like the last 4-5 minutes of the UNC game. Forcing outside jumpers, limiting the opponent to one shot, and executing flawlessly each time down the floor on the offensive end to get an easy basket in or near the paint.
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Post by Boz on Feb 10, 2011 13:43:07 GMT -5
I don't think there is any problem with complaining about bad calls:
A) a specifically horrible call [cough--technicalonGregMonroe--cough]
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B) in general calling out officials for a poor game. [i.e. any game with John Cahill involved]
I think the problem is in going to the extreme of saying "that's why we lost."
Which is what Syracuse fans always do. Or at least it seems that way.
I don't think we do that here very often, at least I don't think I do that, and I am speaking as one who likes to talk about the officials' performance in games. It is, after all, a factor.
For instance, I am STILL looking to find out where on the entire field there was a block in the back on the Ravens punt return for a TD against the Steelers in the playoffs (still don't know), or how you can have defensive holding on a running play on the goal line. And those bad calls really Editeded me off. And still do.
But if you asked me why the Ravens lost the game? Well, 'cuz they turned it over three times in the second half, that's why.
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Post by stonehandssam on Feb 10, 2011 13:43:39 GMT -5
Didn't Syracuse go on like a 11-2 run as soon as Jackson sat? These fans just don't wan't to own up to the fact that their team is not as great as they've made it out to be. It's easier to blame the refs, or dirty tactics, or whatever, than it is to look in the mirror. Jackson may be a stud, but he wasn't the difference maker in this game.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 10, 2011 15:18:52 GMT -5
We got our fair share of weak charge calls called against us too (Freeman and Clark on perimeter) I have posted this elsewhere, but thought it appropriate here too (re: weak charge calls). Cuse bloggers complaining about our "flops" is funny to think about after watching that. The Syracuse fanbase will claim that play never occurred, and that the film has been doctored. Syracuse players never flop.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 10, 2011 15:48:41 GMT -5
Didn't Syracuse go on like a 11-2 run as soon as Jackson sat? These fans just don't wan't to own up to the fact that their team is not as great as they've made it out to be. It's easier to blame the refs, or dirty tactics, or whatever, than it is to look in the mirror. Jackson may be a stud, but he wasn't the difference maker in this game. It was the fouls man, the fouls!
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Feb 10, 2011 16:05:47 GMT -5
Yeah, the officiating was pretty equal both ways --- there were good calls and bad calls on both ends in equal measure (and nothing as atrocious as that call at the end of Rutgers-Villanova), not one sided in favor of the Hoyas. Chris got called for at least one completely phantom foul when an SU guard was driving the lane late in the game, e.g., and the charging calls were called equally; SU just didn't pick up on how the refs were going to call the game and so they committed more! I disagree that our guys flopped. There's a big difference between establishing position and taking a charge from a shoulder shove than sliding under a driving guard or someone who's already airborne, especially once you learn how the refs will call the game. oh our guys were in position they certainly weren't blocks. Just nate went down a little easy with the contact. but it's still a legit move. Sure, there were a couple instances when the guys went down when they could've stayed up, but that reflects an understanding of how the game is called these days, and directly contributed to the win. I think we're in agreement.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Feb 10, 2011 16:52:01 GMT -5
As long as Jackson is going to drop that shoulder before the contact, he will and should be called on it. Plus, they had their 11-3 run while he was on the bench - we're lucky he didn't get #4 earlier.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 10, 2011 17:02:20 GMT -5
Will SU ever stop whining? Might as well ask whether the birds will stop soaring, whether the rivers will stop flowing, whether world will stop revolving. Some features are simply inherent in an entity's very being. So it is with Syracuse, and with whining. You can't have one without the other.
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Post by hoyadestroya on Feb 10, 2011 19:58:08 GMT -5
Listened to first few minutes of Magoo's weekly sports radio show tonight. Of course gave no props to Hoyas . Everything was about how his team had more flops go against them than rest of games combined, Hoya players sitting in the paint, Jackson getting bad calls against him. The usual Boheim.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 10, 2011 20:08:56 GMT -5
It's UNREAL how many times Jackson could have been called for 3 seconds. Ridiculous for Boe-whine to even bring that up. Kris Joseph should have slapped the floor after the phantom foul on Austin. They're a big bunch of a word that means that same as cats.
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