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Post by jgalt on Jan 20, 2011 18:02:34 GMT -5
This thing about mixed use is weird. I wouldnt work on gtowns campus to have every dorm have dining and other stuff in it. The campus is too small and the population is too small. Leo's is already competing with the six million restaurants in the area; only one cafeteria is needed. Vittles and Hoya Snaxa (thats the one in SWQ) are enough to serve the needs of a convenience type situation on campus.
To me it felt like Ken Archer was throwing that mixed use stuff in there to try to get the students on the side of residents- a tactic they have been trying for sometime- by blaming this "plight" of the students on the administrations inability to build more housing or get landlords to fix up the houses. It is a bogus, disingenuous tactic and it is why he kept invoking the term "ghetto" even in reference to on campus dorms!!
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jan 21, 2011 10:28:13 GMT -5
To me it felt like Ken Archer was throwing that mixed use stuff in there to try to get the students on the side of residents- a tactic they have been trying for sometime- by blaming this "plight" of the students on the administrations inability to build more housing or get landlords to fix up the houses. It is a bogus, disingenuous tactic and it is why he kept invoking the term "ghetto" even in reference to on campus dorms!! In this particular case, it's less about getting students on the side of residents and more about the intended audience of the piece - the predominantly urbanist audience of Greater Greater Washington. There is a pretty significant number of engaged, vocal, and active people who frequent the site, and it is read by folks like Harriet Tregoning, Gabe Klein (though he is now out of the picture), etc. Insofar as the neighbors understand that their only hope for "victory" is to win decisively in the battle for public opinion, this becomes a significant battleground. Archer's job was to make the counterintuitive argument that the university's plans for upgrading its campus are actually anti-urbanist, while the neighbors' blatant NIMBYism is actually the side that urbanists should support. He has rather spectacularly failed because you just can't square that circle - college campuses are inherently mixed use developments/communities (whatever the demerits of individual buildings), and the neighbors' arguments for the most part range from uninformed to specious. From the looks of it, the neighborhood groups have abandoned any real effort to play students and the university against each other and have instead doubled down on the "students are a menace and should be kept out of the neighborhood as much as possible" line of argument. It's not a tack that would have much resonance with the urbanist crowd (hence Archer's attempt), but it is the most cathartic one for neighbors, as well as the angle that is most in line with their only plausible legal strategy: convince a court that the university's plans have had an intolerable adverse impact on the surrounding neighborhoods.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 21, 2011 11:41:27 GMT -5
the neighbors don't have a leg to stand on. They act like every single rental property is rented by students and that everyone throws rowdy parties every night and has trash strewn around their front yards.
In truth there's probably like 10 problem houses.
Look students need to be good neighbors, but so do these adults. They're completely unreasonable.
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 25, 2011 11:15:05 GMT -5
If we look at this rationally; and attack those problems that are actually 'fixable' we might be able to make real headway.
Complaint: Trash. I don't care if you have the cleanest students ever living off campus - 4 to 8 students living in a house is going to generate a lot of trash. Education early and often about the days the trash will be picked up could help prevent housing having 15 bags of trash outside their house every 2 weeks. A third trash day during the week (sponsored by the uni?) could help as well. The bigger problem with the trash is individuals (students and non students alike) walking to and from the bars casually throwing trash everywhere; and or knocking over trash cans. The Uni could provide maintenance workers once or twice a week to clean up the surrounding areas. (instead of fining those for noise violations and threatening expulsion they could be part of the crew that sweeps the streets?)
Complaint: Noise / street walkers at night. If we can agree that students are going to party, and want to live off campus, and want to party in their off campus house - there are going to be students walking around at night. Two proposed solutions: 1 - use some of these common spaces for night life activities. WITH ALCOHOL (not many will show up without). Check IDs and everything else to prevent liability - but let 18 year olds in without wrist bands or something. 2 - Position cops (preferably those NOT on a power trip) on streets coming up from the bars back to campus. Instruct them to encourage respectful demeanor; without insulting them, and encourage them to move quickly.
The "townies" aren't going anywhere. and the uni isn't going anywhere. There will be complaints both ways. Even if EVERY student lived on campus - they would still walk to bars. And surprise surprise - there would be plenty of individuals (read NON STUDENTS) going to bars that park or walk through the neighborhood causing destruction etc.
Just my two cents
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Post by Bando on Jan 25, 2011 16:26:49 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 27, 2011 21:39:16 GMT -5
Apparently, the Burleith residents have ghostwritten the ANC fait accompli vote Monday on the campus plan. Among the bizarro contentions in the document--if GU put a bubble on Kehoe Field, this could lead to "conventions" held on the roof (p. 15). anc2e.com/docs/ancguplan.pdf
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 27, 2011 23:22:08 GMT -5
Apparently, the Burleith residents have ghostwritten the ANC fait accompli vote Monday on the campus plan. Among the bizarro contentions in the document--if GU put a bubble on Kehoe Field, this could lead to "conventions" held on the roof (p. 15). anc2e.com/docs/ancguplan.pdfBecause with only Gaston, Copley Formal, Leo's, the new business school building, the conference rooms in the Marriott, the ICC, the MSF, and the Esplanade, it's obvious that we would still need to hold loud and disruptive "conventions" on a soccer field located on the roof of the gym. I see no way to avoid such an outcome.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Feb 28, 2011 23:38:56 GMT -5
On the plus side, Matt Yglesias sides with us[/u], so we've got that going for us... If the downside to making it easier for Georgetown University to expand is that rich Georgetown residents might lose some home equity is that really something we should cry over?
I think “broader college opportunities and more competition in the higher education sector” should be a higher social priority than “protect rich people’s fear of change.”
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Post by jgalt on Mar 1, 2011 19:36:19 GMT -5
Apparently, the Burleith residents have ghostwritten the ANC fait accompli vote Monday on the campus plan. Among the bizarro contentions in the document--if GU put a bubble on Kehoe Field, this could lead to "conventions" held on the roof (p. 15). anc2e.com/docs/ancguplan.pdfBecause with only Gaston, Copley Formal, Leo's, the new business school building, the conference rooms in the Marriott, the ICC, the MSF, and the Esplanade, it's obvious that we would still need to hold loud and disruptive "conventions" on a soccer field located on the roof of the gym. I see no way to avoid such an outcome. I hear the University is trying to Host Comi-con and CES next year, maybe a WoW convention or two also.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 2, 2011 22:22:52 GMT -5
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Post by quickplay on Mar 5, 2011 12:41:33 GMT -5
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Post by jgalt on Mar 5, 2011 17:02:10 GMT -5
I cant even start, this is way to exhausting to try to understand these people. Its a PUBLIC street, you cant seriously be suggesting students shouldnt be legally aloud to park on it! The streets are not crowded because of Students, period; its just not true. The only time I could never find parking was on Saturdays and Sundays meaning it was visitors parking there (which is stupid because you can park on campus for free all day). During the week there IS parking, you just have to look for it. During rush hour almost every street has tons of spots open.
The neighbor's complaint is not "there is no parking!!!" its really "there is no parking right in front of my house!!! How dare i have to walk a block or two!!"
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Mar 21, 2011 5:42:54 GMT -5
If anyone is interested, a few Georgetown officials will be on the Kojo Nnamdi show today, talking about the campus plan. It's likely that many neighbors who speak out against the university will be calling in, so if anyone would like to call in questions or comments supporting the university, this is a good chance. On Monday from noon - 1 p.m. the Kojo Nnamdi Show will be talking about campus plans at Georgetown University and American University and neighborhood opposition. Todd Olson, vice president for student affairs at Georgetown will be on the live call-in show with Jorge Abud, American University's Assistant VP for Facilities Development, & Real Estate. Those interested can listen to the show live on 88.5 FM or online at thekojonnamdishow.org/. If you or someone you know wants to call in with questions, the show takes listener questions primarily via phone (800-433-8850), but also by email (kojo@wamu.org), Facebook and twitter (@kojoshow).
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 22, 2011 9:21:44 GMT -5
If anyone is interested, a few Georgetown officials will be on the Kojo Nnamdi show today, talking about the campus plan. It's likely that many neighbors who speak out against the university will be calling in, so if anyone would like to call in questions or comments supporting the university, this is a good chance. On Monday from noon - 1 p.m. the Kojo Nnamdi Show will be talking about campus plans at Georgetown University and American University and neighborhood opposition. Todd Olson, vice president for student affairs at Georgetown will be on the live call-in show with Jorge Abud, American University's Assistant VP for Facilities Development, & Real Estate. Those interested can listen to the show live on 88.5 FM or online at thekojonnamdishow.org/. If you or someone you know wants to call in with questions, the show takes listener questions primarily via phone (800-433-8850), but also by email (kojo@wamu.org), Facebook and twitter (@kojoshow). Listened to this yesterday. Nothing new to report. Lady from the Burleith Community Association is still complaining about everything. Todd Olson sounded like the voice of reason next to the hysterical complaints of the residents. Best caller was a woman who was a professor at AU but lived near GU's campus. Basically commented to the residents that they knew where the house was when they bought it, either work with the university productively or go away.
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Post by derhoya on Mar 22, 2011 14:46:28 GMT -5
Ya, the juxtaposition was perfect for us with Todd Olson and the Burleith rep (Eleanor?) -- she called in 2 or 3 times and ended each call with ramblings that were politely cut off by Kojo.
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Post by ksf42001 on Mar 22, 2011 15:32:04 GMT -5
For those that missed it, Kojo show is also available in podcast, so feel free to download. thekojonnamdishow.org/
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 23, 2011 23:07:09 GMT -5
Ya, the juxtaposition was perfect for us with Todd Olson and the Burleith rep (Eleanor?) -- she called in 2 or 3 times and ended each call with ramblings that were politely cut off by Kojo. Ah Lenore Rubino - I'm happy to hear that her charm and intellect were not lost in the translation to the radio medium. No word on whether she ever plans to disclose her direct financial interest in limiting/eliminating student-rented and University-owned properties in the neighborhood. Who wants to bet that Washington Fine Properties has contributed a significant part of the CAG and BCA's war chests When it comes to Letting Slip the Dogs of Crazy, however, no one can match everyone's favorite shutterbug extraordinaire, Stephen R. Brown, who has started not one but TWO new blogs: How does Burleith resident Stephen R. Brown follow up his instant hit of a blog “Drunken Georgetown Students“? By calling for the removal of Georgetown President Jack DeGioia and Ward 2 Councilmember Jack Evans on of course!We need to get this guy a TV show.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Mar 24, 2011 7:41:08 GMT -5
A slight tangent on the town-gown subject: amongst other ethics complaints, the head of the DC Alcoholic Beverage Control Board has been accused of using his liquor-licensing powers to cajole Georgetown's ANC members into backing his "National Triathalon" scheme. Can we hope against hope that some of the ANC crazies get taken down once an investigation is underway and/or the informed citizenry of DC wakes up and asks why these barely elected goons have so much influence over their neighbors? washingtonexaminer.com/local/dc/2011/03/gray-wont-reappoint-embattled-alcohol-board-chairman
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 31, 2011 16:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Apr 5, 2011 11:45:05 GMT -5
Ya, the juxtaposition was perfect for us with Todd Olson and the Burleith rep (Eleanor?) -- she called in 2 or 3 times and ended each call with ramblings that were politely cut off by Kojo. Ah Lenore Rubino - I'm happy to hear that her charm and intellect were not lost in the translation to the radio medium. No word on whether she ever plans to disclose her direct financial interest in limiting/eliminating student-rented and University-owned properties in the neighborhood. Who wants to bet that Washington Fine Properties has contributed a significant part of the CAG and BCA's war chests When it comes to Letting Slip the Dogs of Crazy, however, no one can match everyone's favorite shutterbug extraordinaire, Stephen R. Brown, who has started not one but TWO new blogs: How does Burleith resident Stephen R. Brown follow up his instant hit of a blog “Drunken Georgetown Students“? By calling for the removal of Georgetown President Jack DeGioia and Ward 2 Councilmember Jack Evans on of course!We need to get this guy a TV show. Dogs of Crazy. Nice. Or as Archer would say, the Hogs of Crazy.
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