sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Dec 20, 2010 15:50:55 GMT -5
That's interesting - the scoresheet says we didn't lose to Memphis... Huh? www.hoyabasketball.com/records/bb-2000s.htmWe lost 71-85 in 2007-08 at Memphis. We won 79-70 in 2008-09 in OT at the Booth. What scoresheet are you referring to? Memphis had to vacate all their wins that season I believe. Therefore, we technically didn't lose.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 20, 2010 15:55:27 GMT -5
Does the stench of Calipari still infest every corner of their arena?
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Post by b52legend on Dec 20, 2010 15:57:44 GMT -5
I would like to see us come out and go right after Memphis. I'm talking full court press run n' gun. Put up 30 in the first 10 minutes. I think with this being a marquee nationally televised game, that type of exposure for the guards on this team would be great.
I read a column, I think Wynn on CNNSI, talking about how we are more dangerous the faster we play because of our guards. I completely agree, but also believe it is because of the type of passing and running we saw out of Henry and Lubick. Those guys are money on the break. I love Vaughn, but let him rest this game and have the team put on the running shoes. If we do, I think we can win by 25.
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Post by chep3 on Dec 20, 2010 16:01:36 GMT -5
I don't think we should press them at all (or at least not out of the blocks). They're a freshman led team whose most established player is out for the game. Why wouldn't we want to make them attempt to execute in the half court? I don't mind if we run if they press us, but I'd rather them have to run their offense for 25 seconds rather than letting the game turn into a scrappy, sloppy, track meet.
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Post by b52legend on Dec 20, 2010 16:07:48 GMT -5
I don't think we should press them at all (or at least not out of the blocks). They're a freshman led team whose most established player is out for the game. Why wouldn't we want to make them attempt to execute in the half court? I don't mind if we run if they press us, but I'd rather them have to run their offense for 25 seconds rather than letting the game turn into a scrappy, sloppy, track meet. I don't think full court press is synonymous with not having them have to execute in the half court as well. If they break the press, then we can fall back and make them try to execute. My thought process, is that they are so young and inexperienced, I would like to force them into as many decisions and opportunities for mistakes as possible. Despite being young, they are athletic, and I worry about us getting toasted off of dribble penetration if we run a strictly half court defense.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Dec 20, 2010 16:08:23 GMT -5
I don't think we should press them at all (or at least not out of the blocks). They're a freshman led team whose most established player is out for the game. Why wouldn't we want to make them attempt to execute in the half court? I don't mind if we run if they press us, but I'd rather them have to run their offense for 25 seconds rather than letting the game turn into a scrappy, sloppy, track meet. Have you seen our halfcourt defense? A young team, playing at home against a top 10 team is likely to play a little over their heads. Instead of just sitting back and waiting for them to find their flow offensively(which is really all our halfcourt defense does at this point), I think we need to attack from the beginning.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 20, 2010 16:10:03 GMT -5
Our correlation of pace to OFF EFF is .17 this year (interesting, our DEF EFF is .29).
It's the highest of Thompson's era, but 2008 and 2009 were both about .13. So not unheard of, recently.
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Post by midsouthhoya on Dec 20, 2010 16:16:40 GMT -5
My overly sensitive response to some earlier posts:
Dissing on Memphis is shooting fish in a barrel. We get it, and there’s no point arguing with the criticisms of the town. Memphis’ sins are overt, but what’s an open sore here is arguably a block or overpass away in most parts of the country. Still, it’s not a bad town altogether, and my family and I have found it an overall joyful and interesting place to live. That takes getting to know the neighborhoods, however, and finding that the culture of the city is mostly off Beale—except when the Tigers play.
I’m a DC native and dyed-in-the-wool Hoyas fan, but I have total respect and admiration for how much this town loves and supports the Tigers (it’s nice to have whatever national exposure we get with the Grizzlies, but, well, ask Gary Parrish what he thinks). Hopefully I’ll never know what it is to love a team only to have my heart broken by a program too desperate to play fair (more than once), but I’ve got to hand it to my rabidly adoring friends and neighbors who love the college game and understand how valuable it is to be able to root for a team that has competed at such a high level for the past four decades. In my opinion, there’s probably way too much love for Pastner at this stage of his career, but at least the fans have gotten behind him. It’s also very cool that he’s landed local talent. It means a lot for this city and the program.
I hope that Thursday isn’t the day their coach or young players officially take it to the next level, and I’ll never be a fan of the program, but I’ll certainly be happy for this town when the Tigers reach a new era of success…a tier below the mighty Hoyas.
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Post by Boz on Dec 20, 2010 16:24:04 GMT -5
Our correlation of pace to OFF EFF is .17 this year (interesting, our DEF EFF is .29). It's the highest of Thompson's era, but 2008 and 2009 were both about .13. So not unheard of, recently. POINT-ONE-SEVEN?!?!? Are you serious??? No freakin' way, man. Yeah, I have no idea what these numbers mean. ;D ;D [/statistically illiterate]
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 20, 2010 17:39:12 GMT -5
"No. 10 Georgetown at No. 16 Memphis (Thursday): One team has been exceeded expectations, while the other is taking awhile to get going. Georgetown has looked like a legit Final Four threat, with some of the best offense around. Because of injuries, Memphis is playing with almost all new players – and it’s showed." busting the bracket on the best games of this week.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 20, 2010 18:34:34 GMT -5
Our correlation of pace to OFF EFF is .17 this year (interesting, our DEF EFF is .29). It's the highest of Thompson's era, but 2008 and 2009 were both about .13. So not unheard of, recently. POINT-ONE-SEVEN?!?!? Are you serious??? No freakin' way, man. Yeah, I have no idea what these numbers mean. ;D ;D [/statistically illiterate] It's okay. Neither do I. I just make it up. It's actually just correlation b/w pace and offensive efficiency. Long and short, we do better this year when we play a little faster, but it isn't a super strong connection. Other things play a bigger factor.
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Post by Boz on Dec 20, 2010 19:00:32 GMT -5
Like how most of the time during our games, everyone on the floor can pass well and make shots? I like that one. We're doing that one at a pretty good clip.
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Post by alleninxis on Dec 20, 2010 20:18:29 GMT -5
appears there is an outside shot we could see Witherspoon.
a long-shot, but he's recovering very quickly.
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Post by berrypatch26 on Dec 20, 2010 20:21:27 GMT -5
You're ranked in the Top 10 now (everywhere) and you deserve it.
BUT, every team will be working overtime to knock you off. So, WASTE 'EM.
Good luck Hoyas.
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Post by dense on Dec 20, 2010 21:35:30 GMT -5
They might not make it to us unscathed, TXAMCC is up on them in the 2nd half
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 20, 2010 22:12:32 GMT -5
whew pulled it out...didn't need for them to have any extra motivation for us
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 20, 2010 23:30:13 GMT -5
That just means they'll play their A plus game against us, much like Temple when they stunk it up against Maryland and then shot lights out on us
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 20, 2010 23:50:42 GMT -5
yeah worried they'll have gotten all their sucking out of their system having struggled with 2 terrible teams that last two games.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 21, 2010 10:19:06 GMT -5
yeah worried they'll have gotten all their sucking out of their system having struggled with 2 terrible teams that last two games. Or...they just aren't good.
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Post by NCHoya on Dec 21, 2010 10:40:48 GMT -5
Unlike some of our other games, IMO Memphis is over-rated and will not be #16 at the end of the year. Therefore, we need to win this game. Since it is on the road, it does not matter about the margin, but a win should be expected given Witherspoon is likely out, they are super young and we have the experience edge by far.
As for should we press or force half-court, I think mixing it up in the 1st half to see what works best is the plan. We did this against App State, found they stucked agianst our press and came out in the 2nd half with the press and took the game over. I see a similar plan this time. My guess is making a Calipari-esque coach play half-court offense is the way to go. Usually, they just try to get by with their superior athleticism, but I feel good about our ability to match that with Hoyas defense.
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