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Post by gtowndynasty on Nov 5, 2011 16:34:50 GMT -5
great points HAH and DRD. No issue stockpiling talent. And HAH that to me is exactly what happened the past few years with our core guys knowing the drop-off in talent was so pronounced, that 1) they werent being pushed in practice and 2) they knew that no matter what effort they exhibited in games, they were gonna play 30+mpg. That is no longer the case and the increased competition for pt will make us a better team undoubtedly. I just think more than anything we need another pure pg and a C.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 5, 2011 17:23:52 GMT -5
Dynasty that's nit-picking.
First of all, there is NOTHING...NOTHING....that suggests Markel is anything but a natural point guard. I had a good laugh at that one. Secondly, you win with versatility. Otto plays three positions. Greg, Jabril and Aaron play two positions. DSR plays the 2 and the 1. There's nothing wrong with the construction of the roster as it is
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Post by KirbyKeger on Nov 5, 2011 17:27:20 GMT -5
On the contrary daytona, I've often heard Markel described as more of a scoring point guard, particularly coming out of high school.
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 5, 2011 17:40:54 GMT -5
We don't know which guys will work out -- as someone pointed out. And we can be pretty sure that not EVERY guy will work out.
Still, we have a ton of kids who can play the 2/3/4. What we don't have is a legit 5. Maybe Moses can be that guy. Maybe Tyler can fill in. But really, getting a 5 (Upshaw, Meeks, someone) seems to ME at least, to be our # 1 priority.
We did not get Kyle A, true. But then we turned around and got DSR. Reports are he is an excellent offensive force who can pass AND score. If we really need to hammer an opposing PG on D, we can bring in Jabril, who drove Nolan Smith bonkers this summer in Kenner.
More competition on the team is good... agreed. But we NEED a 5. Undoubtedly to coaching staff knows that better than we. Let's see what happens. I am not at all confident that we are a serious contender for Upshaw. Just my gut feeling.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Nov 5, 2011 18:35:37 GMT -5
Dynasty that's nit-picking. First of all, there is NOTHING...NOTHING....that suggests Markel is anything but a natural point guard. I had a good laugh at that one. Secondly, you win with versatility. Otto plays three positions. Greg, Jabril and Aaron play two positions. DSR plays the 2 and the 1. There's nothing wrong with the construction of the roster as it is Really Daytona?! Otto plays 3 positions? What are they? If your rebuttal includes that he plays the 4, you can keep it. As i said in my post, we have guys that could play other positions if need be, but to suggest Aaron is a 3 is also laughable. IMHO, to acknowledge we are very thin at C and PG is not nitpicking but it is reality. Lastly, as I said previously, I am very comfortable with the recruiting efforts by the staff, but those 2 positions are ones of need. We dont need another 2, 3, or 4. They are nice to have, but not necessities. The necessities are the 5 and 1. Got me? Ill keep my impression on Markel to myself until I see how he does after a year in the program and a summer to cure deficiencies bc last year left a lot to be desired. FWIW, I think he will turn the corner and be between serviceable and good this year, and great down the line.
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 6, 2011 3:56:33 GMT -5
Legitimate college 5's don't grow on trees, but we have been going after them. We just haven't been able to close the deal. See Christmas and Ochefu. And we are in on Upshaw. Hopefully that works out. Still don't understand what happened with Noel, though...
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Post by chep3 on Nov 6, 2011 13:31:06 GMT -5
Really Daytona?! Otto plays 3 positions? What are they? If your rebuttal includes that he plays the 4, you can keep it. As i said in my post, we have guys that could play other positions if need be, but to suggest Aaron is a 3 is also laughable. IMHO, to acknowledge we are very thin at C and PG is not nitpicking but it is reality. Lastly, as I said previously, I am very comfortable with the recruiting efforts by the staff, but those 2 positions are ones of need. We dont need another 2, 3, or 4. They are nice to have, but not necessities. The necessities are the 5 and 1. Got me? Ill keep my impression on Markel to myself until I see how he does after a year in the program and a summer to cure deficiencies bc last year left a lot to be desired. FWIW, I think he will turn the corner and be between serviceable and good this year, and great down the line. Wait, Austin and DJ Owens played the 3 in III's offense, but Aaron playing the 3 is laughable?
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Post by gtowndynasty on Nov 6, 2011 14:26:44 GMT -5
Really Daytona?! Otto plays 3 positions? What are they? If your rebuttal includes that he plays the 4, you can keep it. As i said in my post, we have guys that could play other positions if need be, but to suggest Aaron is a 3 is also laughable. IMHO, to acknowledge we are very thin at C and PG is not nitpicking but it is reality. Lastly, as I said previously, I am very comfortable with the recruiting efforts by the staff, but those 2 positions are ones of need. We dont need another 2, 3, or 4. They are nice to have, but not necessities. The necessities are the 5 and 1. Got me? Ill keep my impression on Markel to myself until I see how he does after a year in the program and a summer to cure deficiencies bc last year left a lot to be desired. FWIW, I think he will turn the corner and be between serviceable and good this year, and great down the line. Wait, Austin and DJ Owens played the 3 in III's offense, but Aaron playing the 3 is laughable? Yeah playing Austin at the 3 was a mistake. And although Aaron is taller than Austin by an inch or two, playing him at the 3 would be a mistake too. We have legitimate guys to play the 3 in Greg/Otto/Hollis so why on Earth would we go back to playing Aaron there? So if it happened, it would be laughable.
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Post by chep3 on Nov 6, 2011 15:37:03 GMT -5
Yes, but Aaron is longer and more athletic than Austin. But the point about roster versatility is that Aaron can play the 3 if needed, not that he necessarily will.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Nov 6, 2011 15:43:42 GMT -5
gotcha, my point is simply that we wont need him to. But i did acknowledge that in a pinch we could move guys around, like Jason at the 1 or aaron at the 3 or Otto at the 4. Id like to try and keep guys playing in the positions that will enable us to succeed. And the aforementioned will not imho.
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Post by tonyparker on Nov 7, 2011 11:48:33 GMT -5
From Rivals:
White's most recent offer came from Georgetown, The Hoyas were a finalist for five-star small forward T.J. Warren, but when he opted for North Carolina State, Georgetown turned its attention to White.
"Coach John Thompson and his staff from Georgetown came to my game on Friday," said White. "I talked to Coach Thompson later that night on the phone and he offered me a scholarship. We couldn't talk to each other in person at the game, but we had a nice talk on the phone afterwards.
"Georgetown, you know, they're kind of late getting involved in my recruitment," he added. "I've got a lot of great schools on my list that have been recruiting me for a long time, so that's something I've got to consider. Georgetown wants me to come for a visit, which would be my last visit, but I don't know if that's going to happen."
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 7, 2011 13:25:13 GMT -5
Doesn't sound too encouraging Tony.
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Post by nychoya3 on Nov 7, 2011 16:06:16 GMT -5
Yeah, tough to come in this late against a pretty solid group of schools who have been after White much longer. If he signs early, it's probably not happening, but if he decides to wait, you never know. He seems to like Georgetown, but he's understandably miffed he was the 3rd of 4th option at his position.
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Post by tonyparker on Nov 7, 2011 16:08:30 GMT -5
Rivals guru:
When will four-star wing Andrew White make a choice? The 6-foot-6 wing has long carried one of the biggest lists of suitors and has made as many visits to campuses as any player in the country. The long-range shooter just had a new school, Georgetown, jump into the mix and the Hoyas are getting some traction. However, it would be tough for White to visit the Hoyas previous to the start of the signing period. His final destination is anybody's guess at this point.
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Post by tonyparker on Nov 8, 2011 11:53:48 GMT -5
From Telep:
"On October 16, 2010, shooting guard Andrew White (Richmond, Va./Miller School) made a comment to me that always reverberated with me. At the time, White was just beginning to assert himself as a high-major target. He’d been diligently working on his game following a disappointing summer. He re-energized himself with a great showing at the Phenom 150. I asked him that day, where he would go if he could attend any school? His answer: Georgetown.
Fast forward 10 months and White, who re-classified last year, is now ranked No. 51 in the ESPNU 100. He's been on so many campuses he's tough to keep track of. His jump shot is a dialed in thing of beauty and he hit the accelerator on his game, ranking and recruiting party.
To be fair, Georgetown didn’t do much with White until this month. The Hoyas put a lot of their eggs in the basket of T.J. Warren (Durham, N.C./Brewster Academy). When Warren picked NC State, Georgetown picked up the phone and last weekend, the Hoyas dispatched the head coach to watch White perform."
Have to be an insider to get the rest of the article (which I am not).
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 8, 2011 12:42:57 GMT -5
Did we not drop the ball here?
Please to be clear, I am not questioning the overall recruiting of JTIII and staff, I feel they have done a very good job recently to date. I am just questioning this one recruitment.
As many stated in the TJ Warren thread. NC St. was the clear favorite no matter what our involvement was. I understand the desire to obtain a top 20 player at a position of need, I don't fault the effort.
However do you take that chance at the risk of losing a player like White who is Top 50, fills a similar need, is in our backyard, and by all accounts has Gtown as one of his favorites if not at the top??
I mean if Rivals is stating we have made some traction on a recruit that we have even been on for a week that says a lot to me in regards to his desire to initially play here. I guess I am asking was it worth going for the "Warren homerun" when we had a great chance of landing what I perceive as possibly starter from Soph to Sr year?
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Post by alleninxis on Nov 8, 2011 12:46:47 GMT -5
It is odd that we didn't become in contact more when he started to emerge as a high-major guy. But, you would have to think the staff saw him at least a couple times last winter with the Miller School playing next to Bolden. Didn't like what they saw?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 8, 2011 12:55:05 GMT -5
I still don't think SF is a position of Need with Otto, Greg, and Aaron all being able to play that spot. So I won't lose too much sleep over whether or not we need this kid. I'm of the opinion that since we brought in a class with BE level quality starters that if we so choose could all play together: Jabril 1- Greg 2- Otto 3 - Hopkins 4- Tyler 5. That there are no real positions of need in the 2012 class. Basically every recruit is a luxury. I think we're currently 2 Deep at every position: Markel and Jabril at the 1 Greg and DSR at the 2 Otto and Aaron at the 3 Nate and Mikael at the 4 and Tyler and Moses at the 5. And who knows maybe Hollis comes back for his final year of eligibility. If so we don't necessarily need anything, but you can always add more talent. So I have no problems signing Upshaw and White if we end up doing so.
But I have no problem with the staff swinging for the fences in 2012 since even if they landed no one we're going to be pretty good.
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Post by nychoya3 on Nov 8, 2011 13:03:20 GMT -5
Word from those who saw White last year is he has improved a lot from then.
It's incredibly easy to say with the benefit of hindsight that prioritizing Warren and Anderson was a mistake, but we were a finalist for both and both are generally thought to be better and more of a sure thing than White.
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 8, 2011 13:17:20 GMT -5
After the fact comments that "so and so was a lock all along -- "everyone" knew that!" fail to persuade me that was actually the case. As I recall, "everyone knew" that Greg Monroe was bound for Duke, and Tyler Adams actually verballed to Duke. Oh, and Porter was a lock for Mizzou and would certainly opt of KU if for some reason the first "lock" got picked.
Or to look at it the other way, "Everyone knew" Ochefu was a Hoya and so was Xmas.
PS... "Everyone knew" Kyle A would never go to a school 3,000 miles away.
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