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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 30, 2010 14:06:11 GMT -5
Really, are there any politically conservative Jesuits left? Rev. Martin should have quit while he was ahead criticizing "Lonesome Rhodes" Glenn Beck before launching into a defense of liberation theology. Rev. Martin said Christ spent his days and nights with the poor, yet, much of the synaptic Gospels has Christ meeting amongst the Pharisees too. The "poor in spirit" does not summarily disqualify those who are not indigent. When liberation theology became a political cause, that is when John Paul II rightly cast it aside.
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Post by TC on Aug 30, 2010 14:20:23 GMT -5
Did people have trouble going to Mass/church, loving their neighbors and showing their families how to lead moral lives before? I didn't. You forgot the voting Republican part.
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 30, 2010 14:25:03 GMT -5
So, just to check on your logic train from Hades, I can take the basest, most nutcase liberal Democrat and extrapolate from that whatever I want about liberals? Isn't that pretty much the bread and butter of conservative talk radio? You have to admit though, throwing a sandwich to argue a .05 bag tax is pretty hilarious - I gotta wonder what that person is like. I laughed when I saw that this morning. I tend to think that it's the bread and butter of liberal talk radio and the liberal blogosphere. You know, like when the Census worker in Kentucky was killed by virulently anti-government Tea Partiers ... or when the viciously anti-mosque protester stabbed the Muslim cabbie.
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Post by TC on Aug 30, 2010 14:33:04 GMT -5
I tend to think that it's the bread and butter of liberal talk radio C'mon now, I believe in Bigfoot and aliens, but liberal talk radio? You've gone too far.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 30, 2010 15:10:43 GMT -5
That "logic train" is your own. The right thing to do here is to criticize the Christians who complained about a 5 cent bag tax by assaulting a food service worker. Yeah, 'cause you linked to the "bad apples" only to criticize the bad apples.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 30, 2010 15:11:56 GMT -5
If some people return to God it does not force anyone else to return to God, including agnostics or atheists. If some people return to God and love God and neighbor, go to church, pray, show their families how to lead moral lives and lead moral lives themselves, that seems like a pretty good thing. Doesn't sound like anything people should object to. Did people have trouble going to Mass/church, loving their neighbors and showing their families how to lead moral lives before? I didn't. So that means we shouldn't spread that message? What's the point of going to church if you're already trying to live a faithful, loving life?
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Post by kchoya on Aug 30, 2010 15:12:52 GMT -5
I tend to think that it's the bread and butter of liberal talk radio C'mon now, I believe in Bigfoot and aliens, but liberal talk radio? You've gone too far. What about Air Amer... Oh, never mind.
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Post by SoCalHoya on Aug 30, 2010 15:21:43 GMT -5
Did people have trouble going to Mass/church, loving their neighbors and showing their families how to lead moral lives before? I didn't. So that means we shouldn't spread that message? What's the point of going to church if you're already trying to live a faithful, loving life? Spread away. I just don't get why this "message" is any different than what is being said in thousands of churches, temples, worship halls, etc. around the country any given Sunday (or Saturday for some). I have some standard catechism answers (and some personal ones, too) for your second question, but I can't speak for others. Speaking for others on that topic is way above my pay grade.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 30, 2010 15:30:26 GMT -5
So that means we shouldn't spread that message? What's the point of going to church if you're already trying to live a faithful, loving life? Spread away. I just don't get why this "message" is any different than what is being said in thousands of churches, temples, worship halls, etc. around the country any given Sunday (or Saturday for some). I have some standard catechism answers (and some personal ones, too) for your second question, but I can't speak for others. Speaking for others on that topic is way above my pay grade. I don't think it's any different, or that anyone is portraying it as being different. BTW, I don't agree with the position that you don't need to go to church if you are living [what your believe to be] a virtuous life. It was just an extension of the point it seemed like you were espousing.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Aug 31, 2010 8:03:26 GMT -5
Looks like it didn't take too long for Glenn Bucks Beck to ca$h in after his "re$toring honor" event: www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41616.htmlLook forward to hearing about the garbage coming out of his new website! I won't be visiting it because I have no desire to contribute to Glenn Beck's coffers.
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 31, 2010 8:15:12 GMT -5
Looks like it didn't take too long for Glenn Bucks Beck to ca$h in after his "re$toring honor" event: www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41616.htmlLook forward to hearing about the garbage coming out of his new website! I won't be visiting it because I have no desire to contribute to Glenn Beck's coffers. But you did! You provided a link to it, leading Hoya fans to check it out, and leading to more money flowing directly into Mr. Beck's tentacles so that he can buy ivory backscratchers made by cutting down swaths of the Amazon rainforest. BWAHAHAHA.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 31, 2010 8:38:07 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Aug 31, 2010 10:16:53 GMT -5
Looks like it didn't take too long for Glenn Bucks Beck to ca$h in after his "re$toring honor" event: www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41616.htmlLook forward to hearing about the garbage coming out of his new website! I won't be visiting it because I have no desire to contribute to Glenn Beck's coffers. But you did! You provided a link to it, leading Hoya fans to check it out, and leading to more money flowing directly into Mr. Beck's tentacles so that he can buy ivory backscratchers made by cutting down swaths of the Amazon rainforest. BWAHAHAHA. I purposefully linked to the Politico story to avoid linking to his site. I trust that sane hoyatalkers will not click through past the Politico story. By the way, Glenn Beck doesn't invest in ivory backscratchers but rather gold coins from fraudulent companies..... oh wait, he just advertises those on his show to make money but doesn't actually invest in them? Nothing more patriotic than telling your audience not to trust the American dollar and instead invest in foreign gold coins from fringe companies. Go Glenn Go!
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Post by Boz on Aug 31, 2010 10:58:04 GMT -5
I don't know. Seems to me the guy just completed a very innocuous, very peaceful and very successful gathering that, if nothing else, almost certainly raised millions of dollars for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. (I don't know fundraising totals, but it had to be in the millions, I would think.)
Not really sure what there is to get one's panties in a twist about.
Sure, it was overtly religious, so I would expect people like Christopher Hitchens to be very turned off by it. And that's perfectly OK.
But other than that, what's the big deal?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 31, 2010 11:57:07 GMT -5
I don't really understand the furor here.
It's not that big a deal for him to rally. I don't really care when or where or how many.
And the on the other side, anyone who thinks Glenn Beck isn't an opportunist, egotistical or in it for the money, well, I have a bridge to sell you...
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Post by Elvado on Aug 31, 2010 12:18:21 GMT -5
And the on the other side, anyone who thinks Glenn Beck isn't an opportunist, egotistical or in it for the money, well, I have a bridge to sell you... Now replace the name Glenn Beck with Palin, Obama, etc and you'll know exactly what is wrong with politics in this country.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 31, 2010 13:05:36 GMT -5
I more or less agree, Elvado. I'm sure there are some people out there really in it for the country's best interests, and I bet even the ones you and I are most suspect of think that much of the time.
But the egos are huge and unmanageable; the power trip immense. Add in an electorate that has decided that compromise is evil at both ends of the spectrum and you've got a system stuck where it is.
My representative in San Diego was Randy "Duke" Cunningham, a complete jerk and not a particularly bright man (yes, I've spoken with the man) who got elected entirely off being a good fighter pilot.
I consider him a traitor to this country because he helped choose defense contractors not based on quality but how much they paid him. A veteran possibly endangering our troops for a nicer house? I mean, the ONLY thing this man had going for him was his military service, and then he betrays that?
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Post by Boz on Aug 31, 2010 13:58:46 GMT -5
Not to sound like Gordon Gekko*, but being in it for the money is not really a bad thing. Nor is it incompatible with service or wanting to do good.
Now, I don't like President Obama, that's no secret. But I don't think President Obama is a bad person or evil or whatever people want to call him. I think he honestly wants to serve this country and serve it well. (I just happen to think his philosophy and policies are completely wrong).
But he was also "in it for the money" when he wrote his books. Of course he was. He was in it for more than that, sure, but he wanted to make money. Everyone who writes a book does (or, at least, every politician or public figure who writes a book does).
That's not incompatible with his wanting to serve. Nor is it incompatible for Glenn Beck to want to make money and also spread his philosophy of...well, whatever his philosophy is.
Plus, when you make lots of money, you have a much larger opportunity to do good things with it, if you choose to do so. And I think most people with lots of money do want to use it to do good things for people.
A bit naive, yes, I realize that. For every Warren Buffet, there are going to be some Bernie Madoffs. But in general, when you have money, I think it's human nature to want to help people, in whatever form you choose.
From all accounts, Glenn Beck has made his money honestly, without cheating or hurting anyone. I say, good for him. And good for anyone who does the same.
(*The real Gordon Gekko, not whatever crapped up version Hollywood has in store for us this fall)
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Post by Elvado on Aug 31, 2010 14:49:10 GMT -5
Not to sound like Gordon Gekko*, but being in it for the money is not really a bad thing. Nor is it incompatible with service or wanting to do good. Now, I don't like President Obama, that's no secret. But I don't think President Obama is a bad person or evil or whatever people want to call him. I think he honestly wants to serve this country and serve it well. (I just happen to think his philosophy and policies are completely wrong). But he was also "in it for the money" when he wrote his books. Of course he was. He was in it for more than that, sure, but he wanted to make money. Everyone who writes a book does (or, at least, every politician or public figure who writes a book does). That's not incompatible with his wanting to serve. Nor is it incompatible for Glenn Beck to want to make money and also spread his philosophy of...well, whatever his philosophy is. Plus, when you make lots of money, you have a much larger opportunity to do good things with it, if you choose to do so. And I think most people with lots of money do want to use it to do good things for people. A bit naive, yes, I realize that. For every Warren Buffet, there are going to be some Bernie Madoffs. But in general, when you have money, I think it's human nature to want to help people, in whatever form you choose. From all accounts, Glenn Beck has made his money honestly, without cheating or hurting anyone. I say, good for him. And good for anyone who does the same. (*The real Gordon Gekko, not whatever crapped up version Hollywood has in store for us this fall) By and large Boz, you and I agree on this one, but in the case of Mr. Obama, I firmly believe he is an uber-narcissist who is satisfying his massive ego via politics.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Aug 31, 2010 14:51:20 GMT -5
And I think most people with lots of money do want to use it to do good things for people... But in general, when you have money, I think it's human nature to want to help people, in whatever form you choose. I would substitute "most" with "some," and possibly, "a few." While there are undoubtedly some good philanthropists out there, I think that human beings are also inherently greedy. Which is why I believe that communism doesn't work. Also, why pure unrestricted capitalism doesn't work either. Getting back on track, Glenn Beck can do whatever he wants (and frankly I really don't care how many people where there on Saturday), that doesn't mean that I have to like it, or the man. I just think that his views are a tad askew, and it disturbs me a little bit that many people are willing to listen to this nut. And yes, it seems quite a bit self promotional.
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