hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Aug 30, 2010 10:34:06 GMT -5
In the grand scheme of things, this was truly a small deal. Three months from now, history will have forgotten this "event". Dr. King's speech, however, will live forever in the annals of history. And despite the event's "insensitivity", no one tried to stop it, unlike actions taken by the mosquers.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 30, 2010 10:40:56 GMT -5
In the grand scheme of things, this was truly a small deal. Three months from now, history will have forgotten this "event". Dr. King's speech, however, will live forever in the annals of history. And despite the event's "insensitivity", no one tried to stop it, unlike actions taken by the mosquers. You answered your own idiotic post. If the mosque was going to be forgotten in three months, then the "mosquers" wouldn't be protesting against the "terror mosque."
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TC
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Post by TC on Aug 30, 2010 10:52:49 GMT -5
The mosque will be forgotten in four months, there's an election in three.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Aug 30, 2010 11:25:27 GMT -5
In the grand scheme of things, this was truly a small deal. Three months from now, history will have forgotten this "event". Dr. King's speech, however, will live forever in the annals of history. And despite the event's "insensitivity", no one tried to stop it, unlike actions taken by the mosquers. You answered your own idiotic post. If the mosque was going to be forgotten in three months, then the "mosquers" wouldn't be protesting against the "terror mosque." Your idiotic response indicates either you lack basic reading comprehension skills, or the fact that you did not carefully read the post. You pick. I said Beck's event would be forgotten, not the mosquers. Pls, if you respond to my posts, take the time to actually read them. As well, we can disagree with more civility.
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Post by SoCalHoya on Aug 30, 2010 11:35:56 GMT -5
I never thought the right-wing would find someone more obtuse than Sarah Palin to rally around and host events like this. Enter Glenn Beck. If Jindal or Gingrich or Keyes or even Limbaugh (at least he's been around) held an event like this it would have a lot more credibility.
In the long term, having Glenn Beck "leading" the right-wing charge is nothing but good news for liberals.
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 30, 2010 11:44:43 GMT -5
Game Plan 1, if you can't refute the message of return to God, shoot the messenger.
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Post by quickplay on Aug 30, 2010 11:49:00 GMT -5
Glenn Beck is nothing but a snake oil salesman and I congratulate him on holding such a large rally based on a multitude of vague ideas, but no real substance. I'm sure it will help the sales of his next book.
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Post by The Stig on Aug 30, 2010 12:17:39 GMT -5
Game Plan 1, if you can't refute the message of return to God, shoot the messenger. I refuted the message in my first reply to this topic. If the country "returns to God" then would I (an agnostic) be forced to convert or leave? Also, what exactly would we be returning to? The Bush era? The 1950s? The pre-Civil War era? Thomas Jefferson? Jefferson is held up as a messiah by a lot of the Tea Partiers, but he also denied the divinity of Jesus and took a razor blade to his own Bible. Or should we return to the glory days of the Pilgrims and the Mayflower? The Pilgrims certainly turned to God, but if we return to those days it would be VERY bad news for Catholics in this country. Also, Americans tend not to like the "returning to God" message when it's preached by non-Christians in other countries. Pakistan is going through absolute hell right now with terrorism, floods, sporting scandals, and an incredibly unpopular and unstable government. By Glenn Beck's standards, they're certainly walking through darkness right now. However, if a hugely popular and extremely conservative Muslim got up and said that, from this day forward, Pakistan is returning to God, it probably wouldn't go over too well in the US, especially among American conservatives. Speaking of which, isn't the "Ground Zero Mosque" an attempt to let Americans get closer to God? Since Beck made it clear that he was talking about Americans of ALL religions returning to God, converting a clothing store on some of the country's finest real estate into a religious center should be a most welcome development.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 30, 2010 12:37:05 GMT -5
There apparently were some "First Amendment" issues this weekend, as many of the protestors and serial complainers were not allowed to carry their signs at the rally. I wonder why that was and why organizers now believe those signs are not suitable. At first, we're told that Beck is not to be taken seriously, and he is a satirist. Except when he shows up on the Mall with tens of other protestors/complainers with a serious message for our nation.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 30, 2010 12:49:40 GMT -5
If some people return to God it does not force anyone else to return to God, including agnostics or atheists. If some people return to God and love God and neighbor, go to church, pray, show their families how to lead moral lives and lead moral lives themselves, that seems like a pretty good thing. Doesn't sound like anything people should object to.
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 30, 2010 12:53:23 GMT -5
There apparently were some "First Amendment" issues this weekend, as many of the protestors and serial complainers were not allowed to carry their signs at the rally. I wonder why that was and why organizers now believe those signs are not suitable. Because, if you have a very few people showing inappropriate signs, the media - and some on this board - will depict those signs as reflecting the views of all participants. Just like they have done at various tea party meetings.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 30, 2010 12:54:16 GMT -5
To the extent this was some kind of religious revival, I am wondering how it could have possibly taken place in Obama's America. I thought he had already purged the country of Christianity, much less on public, government-owned property.
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Post by The Stig on Aug 30, 2010 12:55:09 GMT -5
If some people return to God it does not force anyone else to return to God, including agnostics or atheists. If some people return to God and love God and neighbor, go to church, pray, show their families how to lead moral lives and lead moral lives themselves, that seems like a pretty good thing. Doesn't sound like anything people should object to. I have no problem with individual people returning to God. However, calling for America to return to God goes well beyond calling for individual people to return to God. To me, calling for an entire country to return to God means that those who do not believe in God are no longer welcomed.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 30, 2010 12:58:36 GMT -5
I can't speak to the participants, but my sense of Beck is that he is not returning to God as much as he's hiding behind God. Beck has said some things that are offensive at best and has inflamed the basest instincts of fringe elements of the Republican Party. He knew what he was doing and has been good at it. To now wrap himself in some religious mantle is troubling to me to the extent this is not the satirical portion of his act when, all along, his modus operandi has not been in keeping with any tenet of the Christian faith that I hope people practice if they call themselves Christian.
There is also a suggestion implicit in this post hoc rationalization that folks who do not join this revival thing are not Christians or religious. Perhaps that was not the intent, but Beck and Sarah Palin - a new convert apparently given her familial background and failures as a parent - are not exactly the people you put out there to preach tolerance and inclusiveness.
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Post by hoya95 on Aug 30, 2010 13:01:50 GMT -5
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 30, 2010 13:15:03 GMT -5
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 30, 2010 13:42:38 GMT -5
One person throwing a sandwich? Tens of thousands of people, and you're complaining about ONE person? So, just to check on your logic train from Hades, I can take the basest, most nutcase liberal Democrat and extrapolate from that whatever I want about liberals?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 30, 2010 13:45:26 GMT -5
That "logic train" is your own. The right thing to do here is to criticize the Christians who complained about a 5 cent bag tax by assaulting a food service worker.
That being said, when you look at the kinds of things that have happened at these rallies, the kinds of things that are said and displayed at these rallies, and the behavior of tea partiers at town hall meetings, a certain picture emerges anecdotally. You begin to see certain patterns of things that tend to happen more frequently than they otherwise might. Are all involved in that? No. Does it cease to exist because not everybody is involved in it? No.
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TC
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Post by TC on Aug 30, 2010 13:48:20 GMT -5
So, just to check on your logic train from Hades, I can take the basest, most nutcase liberal Democrat and extrapolate from that whatever I want about liberals? Isn't that pretty much the bread and butter of conservative talk radio? You have to admit though, throwing a sandwich to argue a .05 bag tax is pretty hilarious - I gotta wonder what that person is like. I laughed when I saw that this morning.
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SoCalHoya
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Post by SoCalHoya on Aug 30, 2010 13:52:44 GMT -5
If some people return to God it does not force anyone else to return to God, including agnostics or atheists. If some people return to God and love God and neighbor, go to church, pray, show their families how to lead moral lives and lead moral lives themselves, that seems like a pretty good thing. Doesn't sound like anything people should object to. Did people have trouble going to Mass/church, loving their neighbors and showing their families how to lead moral lives before? I didn't.
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