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Post by EasyEd on Aug 18, 2010 18:32:57 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 18, 2010 19:02:28 GMT -5
Are we in the middle of a disaster or can/will the President recover before 2012? That's why it's 2010 and not 2012. Ronald Reagan's numbers in the summer of 1982 weren't great, either. He sank as low as 35% and still won 49 states two years later. Why? The economy improved and the Democrats picked a very weak ticket, a message of failed policies and the old Democratic way. The GOP absolutely has to avoid the same path and distance itself from the '08 castoffs. A Palin or Huckabee nomination equals a second term for the President. blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2009/07/stimulus.html |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 18, 2010 20:04:03 GMT -5
His approval rating is unfortunate and, in many ways, deserved. Still, I think Obama was always going to be a hard sell in certain circles, which does not say as much about him IMO.
Still, I grow tired of the constant poll watching. Y'all did not seem to care when Obama's approvals were through the roof, and many certainly did not care when Bush's approvals were in the toilet.
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 19, 2010 9:08:28 GMT -5
Ambassador, I seem to recall you touting poll figures when they were favorable to Obama.
And, DFW, citing Reagan is all well and good but why not cite Truman or Lyndon Johnson or Jimmy Carter?
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Post by Boz on Aug 19, 2010 9:17:49 GMT -5
I think the only real thing about Obama's numbers worth noting at this point are how fast they have dropped.
Yes, Ronald Reagan didn't have great numbers after his first year or two, but he didn't come in, IIRC, with anything close to the high numbers Obama had at inauguration.
And George Bush did indeed go far lower, but it also took him a far, far longer time to get there, not until his second term.
In any event, the numbers today mean nothing for Obama in 2012. They're a fair indicator that 2010 may be a tough year for Democrats (see GWB's approval rating in 2006), but anybody with half a brain knew that already.
And, to be honest, I'm not really even interested in most 2010 poll numbers until after Labor Day anyway (Oh, sure we can toss them around here and there for fun in the 2010 Election thread, but I won't take them too too seriously until mid-September).
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 19, 2010 9:35:43 GMT -5
As of right now, the perfect campaign commercial for Republicans in 2012 is clips of various Obama speeches where he promises a new way of doing things, to stop torture, and close Guantanamo, all set to John Legend's "If You're Out There".
Both Bushes and Clinton never really inspired their supporters like Obama did. His weak performance so far is going to cost him, big-time, unless he works on a major course correction.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 19, 2010 9:43:00 GMT -5
And, DFW, citing Reagan is all well and good but why not cite Truman or Lyndon Johnson or Jimmy Carter? That's the best link that came up relative to a) consistent poll data and b) a recession in the first two years of a term. But since you asked, I looked it up each of the pressidents for the summers preceding their first mid-term election (Source: Roper Online; note that Ford didn't have a midterm) . Truman (June 1946): 43% (no Aug. poll, but dropped to 33% by year's end) Eisenhower (Aug. 1954): 67% Kennedy (Aug. 1962): 68% Johnson (Aug. 1966): 47% Nixon: (Aug. 1970): 55% Carter: (Aug. 1978): 43% Reagan: (Aug. 1982): 41% Elder Bush (Aug. 1990): 74% Clinton (Aug. 1994): 40% GW Bush: (Aug. 2002): 65% |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2010 10:03:37 GMT -5
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 19, 2010 10:06:40 GMT -5
I imagine President Obama reading that and saying to Rahm "Thank God! My plan worked perfectly! They forgot all about me and Reverned Wright!" |
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Post by rosslynhoya on Aug 19, 2010 10:25:24 GMT -5
I imagine President Obama reading that and saying to Rahm "Thank God! My plan worked perfectly! They forgot all about me and Reverned Wright!" Fortunately no one caught on that Michelle's $400,000 vacay to Spain last week was actually a covert attempt to reconquer the original Cordoba. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 19, 2010 10:33:40 GMT -5
Nothing like a classy shot at the First Lady, who was visiting a grieving friend, among other things.
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Post by The Stig on Aug 19, 2010 10:57:14 GMT -5
And people's beliefs about Obama's religion are tied very closely to their beliefs about his performance in office. Those who think he's a Muslim overwhelmingly disapprove of his job performance, while the majority of those who think he's a Christian approve. If the "Obama is a Muslim" crowd are using the same sources for their opinion on Obama's job performance that they used to find out he's a Muslim, then shouldn't their beliefs about his job performance be just as accurate as their beliefs about his religion? For what it's worth, I'm not saying that anybody who's critical of Obama must be misinformed. There are plenty of very legitimate reasons to not like what he's done as President. But I think there's a lot more flat-out false information out there about Obama than there's been about any previous President. |
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Post by Boz on Aug 19, 2010 11:15:38 GMT -5
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Post by rosslynhoya on Aug 19, 2010 11:36:51 GMT -5
But I think there's a lot more flat-out false information out there about Obama than there's been about any previous President. Bush had inside knowledge warning him about the 9/11 attacks. Bush blew up the levees in New Orleans after Katrina to save white neighborhoods. Bush outed a "covert operative" at the CIA to eliminate critics of his administration. Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq so we could invade and steal their oil. Bush knew where Osama was for the entirety of his administration so we could continue a phony war on terror. (For our classy posters who believe that First Ladies are off limits) Laura Bush killed a girl while DUI. ********************************* As far as I'm concerned, ANYTHING said about Obama (or his family) is fair game. The more attacks, however baseless, he has to confront or dodge, the less time he'll have to devote to advancing his America-hating agenda. More importantly as our Democrat posters keep reminding us, "Bush did it too!" Bush had to deal with it too. |
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Post by The Stig on Aug 19, 2010 11:44:07 GMT -5
Assassinating Obama would also prevent him from "advancing his America-hating agenda." So I guess that's fair game too?
As for the rest of your post, with the exception of the Iraq comment (which is up for debate), 20% of Americans never believed any of those lies about Bush.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Aug 19, 2010 11:49:56 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Aug 19, 2010 12:11:05 GMT -5
Assassinating Obama would also prevent him from "advancing his America-hating agenda." So I guess that's fair game too? It was during the Bush administration. www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/awardsJust sayin'. |
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Post by The Stig on Aug 19, 2010 12:11:32 GMT -5
Fair enough, they're just as stupid as the ones who think Obama is a Muslim.
But you still failed to answer my first question.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2010 12:29:42 GMT -5
Bush had inside knowledge warning him about the 9/11 attacks. Bush blew up the levees in New Orleans after Katrina to save white neighborhoods. Bush outed a "covert operative" at the CIA to eliminate critics of his administration. Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq so we could invade and steal their oil. Bush knew where Osama was for the entirety of his administration so we could continue a phony war on terror. Apples and oranges. There are crackpot conspiracy theories about all Presidents, but we're not talking about secret behind-the-scenes puppetmaster stuff here. We're talking about basic, provable facts about a man's life and background. No one ever believed that George W. Bush was a secret Catholic, or was born in Canada. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 19, 2010 12:35:56 GMT -5
Is there a way of creating a Free Republic subboard?
Laura Bush in fact killed someone, and that is something that she, now no longer First Lady, has to deal with like any American would. She admits it, and she deserves great credit for doing so. That being said, you kill someone after running a stop sign or whatever, and you should not be surprised if certain judgments are made publicly.
Recall a previous First Lady and her family were accused of funny business with Vince Foster - something that was as outrageous then as it is now.
Michelle Obama's purpose was far more compassionate - to be with a grieving life-long friend, and I'll be damned if that is no longer tolerable in this country.
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