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Post by bronxhoya87 on Oct 19, 2010 13:12:14 GMT -5
Benny is a hard worker but he is not very good. He is a impoverished man's Brian Kelly. I think it is funny that we just went through two years where we scrounged to find three bigs to play - we had about 1.5. I don't know how people can be so confident about: 1. A senior Henry Sims who, even as a supporter, I can't chalk him up for quality starter minutes. 2. Three players who have never seen a minute of college ball, none of whom are ranked all that much higher than ... Henry Sims. There's safety in numbers. If Adams is good enough to offer; there's no waiting on someone else. If Ochefu is that good, he's not scared.
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Post by chep3 on Oct 19, 2010 13:40:41 GMT -5
Point taken about waiting for guys a la Christmas. And, for the record, given our past couple of years, I'm definitely a bird in the hand kind of guy, and if Adams is a player, then I'm all for taking him.
Is there a timetable on this? When's the early signing period begin?
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Post by HometownHoya on Oct 19, 2010 13:52:16 GMT -5
These are the facts...Benimon and Sims are not legit high level Big East players. When we speak of bigs they should not be included. Take Adams if he wants in and continue to pursue Ochefu like a mad man. Convince him that competition down low everyday will make him a better player. Sidebar I love how our recruiting is going right now. As I have said for years we need to get bigger, stronger, tougher and nastier kids. As of right now you are correct, they are both projects and have weaknesses, thus are not "legit high level Big East players". Obviously Sims is a little more of a disappointment since he has the athletic size but there was not too much expectation of either of them when the committed to Georgetown. I'm pretty sure that no one here thinks that Benimon will ever be starting (barring some type of injury *knock on wood), so the only expectation is for him to not hurt us when he is in the game. He hustles while in the game and hopefully he will be able to provide a key role when he is a senior (although I can't foresee him moving up the depth chart). I think Sims is a little disappointing because people expected bigger minutes from him last year and a locked-up starting job this year. Unfortunately he has had trouble grasping the system and hanging with the big boys. He seems mentally ready this year but we will see if he has been able to put the skills together. I think he will be our third big with the opportunity to move into a starting role his SR year. Everyone expected them to be 4 year players. That doesn't mean that they are going to be BE 1st Team all 4 years, that typically means they aren't good enough to leave for the NBA early.
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Post by idhoya on Oct 19, 2010 14:36:00 GMT -5
organic,
tell me what you've seen from Beenie man makes him a 3? He doesn't look at the basket when facing it. He doesn't shoot outside of 5 feet. He is limited laterally both on defense and off the dribble; although for an undersized 4, he has a decent handle. Now, just cause he works hard doesn't make him good. John Wooden once said "never mistake activity for achievement." That's JB
Are you seeing something on the court that I'm not?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 19, 2010 14:38:50 GMT -5
I see him as a three as well. Just not one I'd play much.
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Post by vcjack on Oct 19, 2010 14:42:41 GMT -5
I think another thing we need to consider is how much of a slap to the face it would be to Kirby if we shot down "his guy" due to a weak moral argument or the argument that "this 2012 guy may be marginally better."
If the Cox "experience" taught us anything, its that we need the entire coaching staff to be on the same page and working together.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Oct 19, 2010 14:46:29 GMT -5
Recruit with reckless abandon every year...step on some toes if necessary. We would all die to be where Duke is right now.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 19, 2010 14:56:41 GMT -5
At least the Duke fans are taking this in stride: "I'm sure any recruit interested in Georgetown has his own individual reasons. But it is difficult to grasp why recruits in general would find the Georgetown program of inerest when even the citizens of Washington, D.C. don't. "Despite living for decades in DC and being a post-Duke Georgetown grad school alum, I have NEVER once heard Georgetown basketball being discussed in any live conversation (exception: when socializing with Duke fans in years we had them on the schedule, those Duke fans would bring up Georgetown basketball.)" "I think at least 2 of those 7 sellouts were Duke games where Duke fans (or neutral basktball fans) may have outnumbered the Georgetown fan presence, based on my perception of crowd appearance and noise." "However, their fans are in full support of this move by their coaching staff to pursue a verbal commit. They state that K did this with Hollis Thompson and Nate Lubick." Guess they've skipped MCI's posts. www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?21108-Welcome-to-Duke-Tyler-Adams/page16
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Post by williambraskyiii on Oct 19, 2010 15:10:55 GMT -5
At least the Duke fans are taking this in stride: "I'm sure any recruit interested in Georgetown has his own individual reasons. But it is difficult to grasp why recruits in general would find the Georgetown program of inerest when even the citizens of Washington, D.C. don't. "Despite living for decades in DC and being a post-Duke Georgetown grad school alum, I have NEVER once heard Georgetown basketball being discussed in any live conversation (exception: when socializing with Duke fans in years we had them on the schedule, those Duke fans would bring up Georgetown basketball.)" "I think at least 2 of those 7 sellouts were Duke games where Duke fans (or neutral basktball fans) may have outnumbered the Georgetown fan presence, based on my perception of crowd appearance and noise." "However, their fans are in full support of this move by their coaching staff to pursue a verbal commit. They state that K did this with Hollis Thompson and Nate Lubick." Guess they've skipped MCI's posts. www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?21108-Welcome-to-Duke-Tyler-Adams/page16haha, they've got some valid points there. Nonetheless, Duke is filled with some of the worst kind of editeds imaginable...and I say that despite getting married to one (a Duke grad, not a edited).
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Post by superan on Oct 19, 2010 15:14:56 GMT -5
To be fair, I read more of that thread and most seem to realize they got Austin Rivers to commit under pretty much the same exact situation. Other than the relatively minor digs about Georgetown/VerizonCenter/DC, I think they're pretty aware what the situation is.
EDIT: oh yeah, and Duke sucks
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Post by Elvado on Oct 19, 2010 15:16:35 GMT -5
At least the Duke fans are taking this in stride: "I'm sure any recruit interested in Georgetown has his own individual reasons. But it is difficult to grasp why recruits in general would find the Georgetown program of inerest when even the citizens of Washington, D.C. don't. "Despite living for decades in DC and being a post-Duke Georgetown grad school alum, I have NEVER once heard Georgetown basketball being discussed in any live conversation (exception: when socializing with Duke fans in years we had them on the schedule, those Duke fans would bring up Georgetown basketball.)" "I think at least 2 of those 7 sellouts were Duke games where Duke fans (or neutral basktball fans) may have outnumbered the Georgetown fan presence, based on my perception of crowd appearance and noise." "However, their fans are in full support of this move by their coaching staff to pursue a verbal commit. They state that K did this with Hollis Thompson and Nate Lubick." Guess they've skipped MCI's posts. www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?21108-Welcome-to-Duke-Tyler-Adams/page16They can get right back on their moral high horse when Count Chocula returns the NCAA money from 1999 during which he used the ineligible Corey Magette. Until such time, they may feel free to blow it out their oft-violated nether regions...
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Post by kchoya on Oct 19, 2010 15:20:19 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 19, 2010 15:23:47 GMT -5
To be fair, I read more of that thread and most seem to realize they got Austin Rivers to commit under pretty much the same exact situation. Other than the relatively minor digs about Georgetown/VerizonCenter/DC, I think they're pretty aware what the situation is. EDIT: oh yeah, and Duke sucks maybe on that duke board, but on scout and rivals you'll be banned if you even hint they did anything even close to improper to get Rivers. Rivers clearly called up coach K and begged him to recruit him away from florida. He just showed up on campus one day.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Oct 19, 2010 15:25:39 GMT -5
That ish had me laughing out loud...amazing post.
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Post by superan on Oct 19, 2010 15:27:16 GMT -5
Wow, must have missed that post. Ok, changed my mind, Duke fans REALLY suck.
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Post by ksf42001 on Oct 19, 2010 19:37:01 GMT -5
And now...the Duke thread has devolved into them saying we're not their rivals, not that anybody here has made that claim. Cuse/UCONN/Nova are our rivals. Duke is the team who we play occasionally (with the home team typically winning) and compete for many of the same recruits. We're not "rivals" though, but you don't have to be to make fun of their intolerable fan-base...
PS - I can't wait until Coach K finally retires and they have their own Escherick-like period.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Oct 19, 2010 20:35:50 GMT -5
And now...the Duke thread has devolved into them saying we're not their rivals, not that anybody here has made that claim. Cuse/UCONN/Nova are our rivals. Duke is the team who we play occasionally (with the home team typically winning) and compete for many of the same recruits. We're not "rivals" though, but you don't have to be to make fun of their intolerable fan-base... PS - I can't wait until Coach K finally retires and they have their own Escherick-like period. apparently they are not their own rivals either (sorry, getting OT) ow.ly/2WcMO
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 19, 2010 21:44:44 GMT -5
I could certainly be wrong, but as I was reading that, I got the feeling that it was written tongue in cheek, so it didn't particularly bother me. Now if something similar had been written by some genius from the Harvard of College Park, it would have been an entirely different story.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 21, 2010 12:00:02 GMT -5
I could certainly be wrong, but as I was reading that, I got the feeling that it was written tongue in cheek, so it didn't particularly bother me. Now if something similar had been written by some genius from the Harvard of College Park, it would have been an entirely different story. Naw. I think they're so smug they truly believe that's how it went down.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 21, 2010 12:27:04 GMT -5
I don't understand the logic.
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