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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Aug 10, 2010 15:41:09 GMT -5
Ok, officially worried about our recruiting.
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Post by royski on Aug 10, 2010 16:23:53 GMT -5
And there goes JOB. I don't think it's unreasonable to anticipate the 2011 class being a disaster.
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Post by deacon on Aug 10, 2010 16:31:40 GMT -5
It's way too early to declare the hiring of Kirby a mistake, but if he's from there and was on this kid when he was at MSU, is it too much to ask that he somehow makes enough of a connection to keep us alive with JOB?? How did we go from off the list to Maryland on it?!?!?! WTF?!?!?
I went from cautiously optimistic to hopelessly pessimistic in less than a week about the '11 class.
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 10, 2010 16:39:53 GMT -5
Looks like the only real hope we have left for a top 50 kid is Rodney Hood whom we've gotten in on in the last 2 months. And I don't think he's even been on campus before.
Pretty sad state of affairs recruiting-wise for a program that was in the Final Four 3 years ago.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Aug 10, 2010 17:01:37 GMT -5
not out of it for JOB edit: no idea...too many diff reports...
hood is supposed to possibly be visiting soon
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Post by prhoya on Aug 10, 2010 17:44:52 GMT -5
Take a look at the recruiting classes since JT3 got here: www.hoyabasketball.com/rosters/bb-recruits.htmThe 03-04 class was a mix of Esh and JT3, but we did not have a McD/Top 30 recruit in the group. Jeff was somewhere around top 50 and everyone else was below 100. Wallace came with JT3 as a walk-on. One thing the group had was a desire to win and get better every year. The 04-05 class was JT3's first full class and it turned out to be an average class, except for the two players (Pat Jr and JS) who showed a desire to win and get better every year. These two were key complimentary players. The 05-06 class was, IMO, the most disappointing class in terms of alleged talent to results. One McD (VM), one Jordan (DS) and one 6'5" guard with an alleged high basketball I.Q. and pedigree looked very promising and like the missing pieces to a National Championship at the time. Turns out they did not have the same will to win and get better every year as the older players. It seemed like they wanted everything handed to them without the effort needed to become champions. The jury is still out on his more recent classes: -The 06-07 class had two McD's and two transfers. Still, this year these two players are poised to have spectacular years. The question is: do they have the players around them to go all the way? -The 07-08 class had a #1 recruit, 2 Top 50 (I think) in JC and HS and a Mr. Virginia Basketball transfer in JV. -The 08-09 is a class with a top 25 in Hollis and two April additions that can be solid contributors in their 4-year careers. Will they stay? We're not allowed to speculate. -The 09-10 is a super solid class with two top 30 recruits and late signings Moses and Bowen. Which of these recruits committed before September of their h.s. senior year? Roy - he was coming to GU since he was born, or soon there after... ;D Hollis - left h.s. early because his father was relocated during the first semester of his senior season. Nate - but was recruited by Dook until he signed in November. JC - Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he committed pretty early during his junior year. I don't remember if Austin was a verbal commitment before his senior year. Chris, Greg and Jeff were not verbals. During his h.s. senior year, Wallace thought he was going to Princeton. My point is it's too early to get nervous. Early verbals have not been a common occurrence around here. It looks like players are committing early, but this happens every year. We need talent with the desire to win and get better every year. Give me the class of 03-03 over the 05-06 any day. There's plenty of talent to be recruited.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Aug 10, 2010 20:33:50 GMT -5
-The 09-10 is a super solid class with two top 30 recruits and late signings Moses and Bowen. Which of these recruits committed before September of their h.s. senior year? Roy - he was coming to GU since he was born, or soon there after... ;D Hollis - left h.s. early because his father was relocated during the first semester of his senior season. Nate - but was recruited by Dook until he signed in November. JC - Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he committed pretty early during his junior year. I don't remember if Austin was a verbal commitment before his senior year. Chris, Greg and Jeff were not verbals. During his h.s. senior year, Wallace thought he was going to Princeton. My point is it's too early to get nervous. Early verbals have not been a common occurrence around here. It looks like players are committing early, but this happens every year. We need talent with the desire to win and get better every year. Give me the class of 03-03 over the 05-06 any day. There's plenty of talent to be recruited. Wait, who are our two top-30 recruits? and btw just for fun, Markel committed his sophomore year...
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Post by prhoya on Aug 10, 2010 22:06:49 GMT -5
Nate was Top 30 at some point with one of the services and he barely missed the Jordan. Starks was around there too. The point is it's a very solid class. (BTW, I don't trust the ranking services b/c it's mostly politics.)
As for Starks coming in so early, is that right? I don't remember, so I'll take your word for it.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Aug 10, 2010 22:26:04 GMT -5
Nate was Top 30 at some point with one of the services and he barely missed the Jordan. Starks was around there too. The point is it's a very solid class. (BTW, I don't trust the ranking services b/c it's mostly politics.) As for Starks coming in so early, is that right? I don't remember, so I'll take your word for it. I get your point. And yeah I remember watching Georgetown Prep when he was a sophomore and finding out about him as a GU commit.
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Post by RDF on Aug 10, 2010 23:24:27 GMT -5
The Disappointing Class provided great depth/role players and a fine starting SMALL FORWARD who played out of position his last 2 years at Georgetown. The most success III had with a class was '07 coming in--they were all his guys and helped team win games although they weren't happiest campers.
Judge a recruiting class by how the team does when they are here--and III and his original staff were great--and his success has hurt--because other schools hired them to coach. It's a "good hurt" but shines more light on bad hires after and the Dave Cox situation--which we've been over time/time again.
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Post by harwoodhoya on Aug 17, 2010 18:42:04 GMT -5
I think JT3 mave have seen the success Pitt has had with low rated recruits and want to follow that same path. A lot let stress.
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Post by RDF on Aug 17, 2010 22:31:04 GMT -5
I think JT3 mave have seen the success Pitt has had with low rated recruits and want to follow that same path. A lot let stress. How does that work for them come March? TALENT puts you in championship contention--and all the great coaching/kids in the world don't win games when other team has better players. You might win 1 out of 10--but you won't win 3/4 straight in BET and you won't win 4/6 in NCAA's.
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Post by HometownHoya on Aug 18, 2010 8:21:25 GMT -5
RDF- Pitt hasn't done too bad in the BET recently...oh wait you must be talking about the FF, thats April Both of you (HH and RDF) are correct to an extent: low rated recruits are less stress because there are lower expectations of you, but on the other hand they are more stressful because you have to coach them up more...Talent does put you into championship contention but you can get there without it. Additionally, recruiting isn't Black and White. We aren't going to get a class of 5-star super freak athletes or a class of only 3-star underrated players. Every class should have a star with his supporting players. If you do that right then you have 4 stars on the team with all the supporting players needed...plenty enough talent, heart, and under the radarness there.
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Post by tjm62 on Aug 18, 2010 11:21:35 GMT -5
I'm very satisfied with the 2010 class... and I'd be happy to have those types of classes moving forward (nice balance of players with a good smattering of talent).
2011 is really shaping up to be problematic, however... I'd like to see at least one marquee name on board.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 19, 2010 20:08:59 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 20, 2010 16:24:42 GMT -5
How about get ONE. Starting to look like we are becoming a minor player at best in the recruiting world, at least for this year.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 20, 2010 16:33:09 GMT -5
We'll see within three months.
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