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Post by blueandgray on May 23, 2010 23:49:40 GMT -5
Heslip or no Heslip, we are far from becoming irrelevant. We're adding some nice bigs to the mix and have several more lined up for 2011. Further, i think we will be a better team next year then we were last. After having watched the nova game again today (where we went for 103), we have all the ingredients to be great. Both Wright and Freeman have the potential to be first team all BE performers and i wouldn't be surprised of JC made the 2nd team. Hollis and JV will both likely average double digits in scoring and when you consider we have Vee, Moses, JB, and Lubick....we will be much deeper then we were during the Monroe years.
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Post by HometownHoya on May 24, 2010 1:21:42 GMT -5
I really think Coach saw a weakness and he approached it. We have great depth at PG with JC, Markel, Vee, and whatever guard we bring in 2011. We have great wings with Hollis, Bowen, and JB (then Goodman down the line). We have solid big-men with Lubick, Abraham, Sims and 2 AWESOME bigmen (hopefully Rak and Jon-O). That is a great line-up with solid depth at each position that has the potential to go very deep.
We only have 1 scholarship for next year (would a transfer sitting out take a scholarship?) and then 4 for the next year (assuming no defections).
Even before any 2011 recruits, we have solid experience and depth at combo guard (we don't have separate SGs or PGs anymore), great experience at wing with some depth, and solid Big Man starters. We really don't need another wing for 2011 unless he were to be more of a PF. We are going to get a great C (hopefully that will be able to contribute right away) and in a perfect situation, another great guard to go with him. That is two of our scholarships. With the other two, we really need a combo guard with a high shooting ability (Heslip would fit this pretty well but we have a lot of other targets) and another big-man would be great. Not necessarily a center, but a big PF or maybe a large wing/forward.
By picking up a 2011 guard, Rak (2011 C), 2011 PF/PWing that will give us: 4 guards for 2 spots (Sr., Jr., So., Fr.), + Helsip 3/4 Wings for 1 spot (Jr., Jr., So.), and 5/4 Big-Men for 2 spots (Sr., Jr., Jr., Fr., Fr.).
That is a pretty good team, still leaving one scholarship for 2011, one that we can give to Heslip to meet our shooting weakness (not saying hes our only option). While I'm not sure what the staff sees in him to meet our needs, since he hasn't done too much at BC, hopefully they see something (maybe long-term depth) in him that makes their pursuit of him valid.
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Post by bigelephant on May 24, 2010 8:14:11 GMT -5
Heslip wants to transfer because the coach who recruited him is gone - does he have to sit out a year? I don't think he played last year.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 24, 2010 8:36:11 GMT -5
The utah st. board is under the impression he can play next year. They've been following his recruitment for a lot longer so i'll take their word for it.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on May 24, 2010 10:24:20 GMT -5
Heslip grey-shirted last season so he has four years to play and will immediately be eligible. He doesn't have a red-shirt year available.
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Post by rustyshackleford on May 24, 2010 23:55:05 GMT -5
I don't disagree that I'd like to see a longer athletic team in the future. I don't think signing a guy like Heslip would necessarily preclude such a movement though.
One of our biggest problems over the JT3 era has been retaining players who have spent significant time on the bench during the years they were at Gtown - in some cases because they didn't offer much except as role players. A guy like Heslip who's willing to work his way into the lineup, who wants to be part of a winning team, and who definitely does have at least some obviously high level skills (in this case at least shooting - a skill that is typically rare in super athletic ballers) seems to be the type of player who we should be targeting to round out our team.
If we roll with a set of guards that include say a Markel, JC, Vee, Daniels/TJ (a pretty athletic/long group) then adding a final guard who initially would just be a role player may be useful. Eventually as JC and Vee graduate such a player can hopefully ease any transition and can reduce the need to get two guards in the '11 class (of course if we can get a TJ + Daniels/Brown/blue chipper we should obviously go with it). I can see the argument that you'd rather have that 5th guard position filled by a guy who has big time athletic potential and who can also give minutes at the 3, but I imagine finding a guy who's that athletically talented and who's willing to initially take a reduced role might be more difficult than a guy who will be almost guaranteed to bring a useful skill.
Obviously I'm also going to trust the staff with respect to what they do here because if they feel Heslip is good enough to pick up despite the number of highly touted guys we're going after in '11 there's probably some good reasoning behind it.
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Post by bigelephant on May 25, 2010 7:51:12 GMT -5
The Jordan Goodman decommit shows again why a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Can't count on getting these out year people.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 31, 2010 18:07:06 GMT -5
Brady Heslip told FOXSports.com he is leaving tomorrow for official visit to Georgetown and then will go to Baylor. May also go to Hofstra.
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Post by skyhoya on Jun 1, 2010 13:01:42 GMT -5
Texas A & M 's blog says he can play this year and has four years of eligibility left.
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Post by 1227 on Jun 1, 2010 14:11:18 GMT -5
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Post by gsurus1 on Jun 2, 2010 10:30:13 GMT -5
If anyone can discern from the Nate Lubick/Julian Vaughn Twitter exchange from last night how the Brady Heslip visit went you are a better/younger man than I
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Post by kchoya on Jun 2, 2010 10:36:57 GMT -5
If anyone can discern from the Nate Lubick/Julian Vaughn Twitter exchange from last night how the Brady Heslip visit went you are a better/younger man than I Not as entertaining as the picture of Sims on the boat.
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Post by Eurostar on Jun 2, 2010 12:40:34 GMT -5
If anyone can discern from the Nate Lubick/Julian Vaughn Twitter exchange from last night how the Brady Heslip visit went you are a better/younger man than I My translation: Vaughn played Freeman in NBA Live and lost by 35. Brady played Jason Clark and won. Vaughn is working the door at Rhinos for the summer. Vaughn and Lubick are joking back and forth about possibly having 2 white guys on the team. In summary, Brady and Austin are good at video games.
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 2, 2010 13:36:42 GMT -5
If anyone can discern from the Nate Lubick/Julian Vaughn Twitter exchange from last night how the Brady Heslip visit went you are a better/younger man than I My translation: Vaughn played Freeman in NBA Live and lost by 35. Brady played Jason Clark and won. Vaughn is working the door at Rhinos for the summer. Vaughn and Lubick are joking back and forth about possibly having 2 white guys on the team. In summary, Brady and Austin are good at video games. Translation: Heslip is going to be Hoya!
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Post by mfrekko on Jun 2, 2010 17:10:16 GMT -5
It would be a curious signing given the effort we are putting into the 2011 class. But if the staff thinks Brady can shoot the 3 at a 40% clip under pressure in Big East games, then perhaps it makes sense...not sure though...
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 2, 2010 17:18:40 GMT -5
to be fair if he's going to be a hoya it doesn't mean he has a scholarship. He could walk on.
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Post by chep3 on Jun 2, 2010 17:47:27 GMT -5
how many times does this have to be explained? A scholarship player cannot be a walk on when he transfers. Can we stop with this nonsense on every potential recruit? I'm not sure that's correct HSB. Any recruited student-athlete maintains a "counter" status towards the limit of 13. This subject was covered within the "Patrick Ewing could pay PE Jr's tuition, would that open a scholarship?" discussion, circa 2006. No, it doesn't...--Admin
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 2, 2010 20:15:35 GMT -5
Oh right i just keep forgetting since he never actually played.
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Post by RBHoya on Jun 2, 2010 21:43:08 GMT -5
If dude is a knock-down shooter, I'd be happy to have him. Under III, the best guards we've had have been the ones who have been able to consistently knock down the outside shot--Wallace, Freeman, "Good Chris" and "Good Jason". The ones who have struggled to hit the outside shot--Rivers, Senior year Sapp, etc. have really struggled despite the fact that they were more athletic than the aforementioned. It's a small sample, but I think consistent outside shooting is really the most important part of being a successful guard at Georgetown. If the kid is really a lights out shooter--and not a guy with a rep as being an outside shooter that can't ever really seem to live up to it ala Omar/Nikita--then I'm cool with grabbing him. I have no idea whether is that or not. But if he can do that, there's a role for him IMO.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 2, 2010 22:51:42 GMT -5
I don't care if he comes or not, I just care if he is using a scholarship. If he wants to walk on and hope to earn one eventually (due to early defection), thats great. If he wants a scholarship, I think we should wait and save it on someone younger how many times does this have to be explained? A scholarship player cannot be a walk on when he transfers. Can we stop with this nonsense on every potential recruit? Now we're not just rehashing the same thing every few months, but multiple times in the same thread.
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