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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Aug 27, 2010 10:30:17 GMT -5
after next year we'll have starks, nate, moses and bowen for another 3 years. Clark, Sims for another year. Beenie Man, Sanford and Hollis for another 2. Anyone of these kids would be among Rutgers/Providence/St. Johns best players.
That being said, I'm really keeping my fingers crossed JTIII pulls off some nice signings or at least opens up the door for transfers a la Vaughn
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Aug 27, 2010 10:35:03 GMT -5
why are we acting like this is the spring and we haven't signed anyone yet? we've still got good options in the top 100 if u subscribe to the whole "ranking" thing....wait till the fall signing period to end to be freaking out like this....
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Post by thejerseytornado on Aug 27, 2010 10:43:58 GMT -5
You say this as guys from our 2011 list continue to drop us and/or commit to other programs... Im going to wait to see what we make of this recruiting debacle. maybe we can salvage it with some serviceable guys, I sure hope so. otherwise, we gonna need Nate, Markel, Aaron to see significant tick this year just so they can be ready to step up HUGE 2011-12. Actually, we are going to need that anyway because most of all the IMPACT guys from 2011 are either off the board or are not considering us. This could still turn out to be a respectable class, but some people need to get a grasp on reality. We need to throw some offers out! And when a guy lists us among 7 other schools (top flight programs), that is not a reason to be super optimistic. I would like more interest shown in B. Daniels. No sense in putting effort in on Chol, he aint coming. We really need two serviceable bigs from this class and 2 wings. umm...where did i say don't make offers or what? you like Daniels. The staff apparently doesn't so much. that's different from the freak out of Rutgers + St Johns will be better than us. because many players have dropped us, the players who haven't dropped us will likely do the same? We're top 3 (or 2 more likely) with Thompson, Hopkins supposedly wants to come, and Robertson is a spring recruit, and Trawick has already visited (just to list four). as someone else noted, it's not the spring yet. antsy I understand, but believing Rutgers and St. Johns are doing better than us either assumes the 2010 kids we got are terrible (ha!) or that unranked project SFs are what's missing on Rutgers' squad (bull). Throw some offers out? Sure, fine. But what's an offer going to do now? How would that change anything? Are there players who are definitely G'town prospects who just don't have offers? Who exactly?
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Post by gtowndynasty on Aug 27, 2010 10:56:35 GMT -5
Tornado,
I do not agree with the concern for Rutgers or St johns, but they are on the rise.
My issue is solely with GTown. Guys that were assuredly gtown locks (like Rakeem) shunning us to go elsewhere still bothers me. These other guys are good, but not at the level where they can come in right away and have an impact, at least not yet. Of course a lot will change between now and then. Im with you though in terms of not being on the side that t hinks we are doomed, but some commitments need to be made.
And my thing is, if you can get a guy like Daniels by being proactive instead of reactive, go for it. Dont expect he will be around or you will be able to find a Benimon/Bowen every year by holding schollies for the "prize" guys that arent coming anyway. Lets get these 4 stars in instead of focusing on the 5 stars and getting our hopes up when we are listed as one of 15-20 schools.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 27, 2010 11:19:23 GMT -5
We will sign at least 1 top 50 caliber player and at least 1 more top 100 player. It's not even the fall signing period yet. Let this play out.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Aug 27, 2010 11:32:06 GMT -5
While I am a proponent of setting very low expectations for 2011 (both in recruiting and on-court performance), I agree with the sentiment that there is no reason to FREAK OUT yet...it is only August and we have the entire Fall signing period in front of us.
If the cupboard is still bare at the end of the FSP, then you have my permission to Freak the Eff Out.
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Post by RBHoya on Aug 27, 2010 11:32:19 GMT -5
I think we need to approach this expecting a class of Jordan O., Katenda and Trawick and hope for even ONE of Hopkins, Hood or Thompson. You people are like kicked dogs...you keep coming back for more. Yes, maybe we will be able to get Quincy Miller too. that would be an OK class. Agree with this. At this point if we managed even one out of Hopkins, Chol, Thompson or Hood I'd consider it a success. I agree with SF's point that we need big guys, but I think I'd revise it to say that we need Big East-ready, instant impact big guys. I don't think we need just big bodies with questionable basketball ability--THAT we already have plenty of. But we need big guys who can come in and give us quality minutes immediately. I think if we wanted to we could offer Robertson and Omogbehim this afternoon and get both shortly thereafter, and then we could be patting ourselves on the back and saying "Yea, we got an athletic 6'9 shotblocker and a 7'2 guy who can move." But that doesn't really help the situation because neither of those guys is good enough to play in the BE NEXT season, each is probably 2-3 years away. One of them would be fine with me, but it doesn't address the pressing issue which is that we'll be losing the only proven player from an already weak frontcourt at the end of the season. As far as hardwood's comments, while I think us becoming PC is definitely too extreme, the idea that we could fall to the back of the pack in an instant in this conference is definitely not something to brush off. It's a ridiculously competitive league and if you slip up even a little bit, there's a ton of teams breathing down your neck. Personally, I do think RU is a team on the rise as well--not because they signed Kone or anything like that, but just because there is a certain feeling around their program that reminds me a bit of Georgetown in 2004. It'll take a couple of years, but I do think they will climb out of the dumbs and into the hunt for NCAA bids over the next few years. And for every team the climbs up, somebody has to fall down. We can't let it be us.
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 27, 2010 12:23:01 GMT -5
Tornado, I do not agree with the concern for Rutgers or St johns, but they are on the rise. My issue is solely with GTown. Guys that were assuredly gtown locks (like Rakeem) shunning us to go elsewhere still bothers me. These other guys are good, but not at the level where they can come in right away and have an impact, at least not yet. Of course a lot will change between now and then. Im with you though in terms of not being on the side that t hinks we are doomed, but some commitments need to be made. And my thing is, if you can get a guy like Daniels by being proactive instead of reactive, go for it. Dont expect he will be around or you will be able to find a Benimon/Bowen every year by holding schollies for the "prize" guys that arent coming anyway. Lets get these 4 stars in instead of focusing on the 5 stars and getting our hopes up when we are listed as one of 15-20 schools. We have to let the Rakeem thing go. Yes, it looked like we had him, and yes, losing him to Syracuse was the ultimate insult, but apparently issues popped up near the end that made him unacceptable to us as a program. We just need to let that one slide.
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Post by BigmanU on Aug 27, 2010 13:09:52 GMT -5
[/quote]We have to let the Rakeem thing go. Yes, it looked like we had him, and yes, losing him to Syracuse was the ultimate insult, but apparently issues popped up near the end that made him unacceptable to us as a program. We just need to let that one slide.[/quote]
What exactly happened???
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Post by Highsmith on Aug 27, 2010 13:25:20 GMT -5
We have to let the Rakeem thing go. Yes, it looked like we had him, and yes, losing him to Syracuse was the ultimate insult, but apparently issues popped up near the end that made him unacceptable to us as a program. We just need to let that one slide.[/quote] What exactly happened???[/quote] He befriended too many SU players.....UNACCEPTABLE!!!
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 27, 2010 13:29:21 GMT -5
We have to let the Rakeem thing go. Yes, it looked like we had him, and yes, losing him to Syracuse was the ultimate insult, but apparently issues popped up near the end that made him unacceptable to us as a program. We just need to let that one slide. hoyarooter. Would those "issues" be the same ones that arose with Dashonte Riley? Do you happen to know?
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Post by prhoya on Aug 27, 2010 14:58:46 GMT -5
How many have we "lost" this year? Who knows, really. JT3 keeps his cards close to the chest. We know for sure that the staff was on Rakeem C. for several seasons and that was a recruiting loss. We also know that some kids say that they have a scholarship offer when the fact is they do not have one they can accept immediately. At the same time, HoyaTalk follows certain players (i.e., S. Thompson) who do not have offers for whatever reason, but seem to be targeted by the GU staff.
We can discuss recruits, reports, rankings, etc..., but JT3 and the kids are the only ones who know for sure. Remember the Roscoe-Balla fiasco? Sometimes not even the kids know until the last minute or something happens that tips their interest towards one school (Greg M's Midnight Madness visit).
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Aug 27, 2010 18:07:48 GMT -5
hoyarooter. Would those "issues" be the same ones that arose with Dashonte Riley? Do you happen to know?[/quote]
Would love to know.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 28, 2010 8:23:00 GMT -5
We will never know for sure if there were issues as some claim. It's best not to entertain such talk. Even if it were to be true no point in talking about it. He's not coming here. He's now dead to us. Let's just move on.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 28, 2010 9:52:42 GMT -5
The beauty of inside information and rumors in recruiting is that you can basically make up whatever you want, post it on the internet, and then have people ready to jump out of the window when the lock doesn't come true. As prhoya says, the only people who really know what is going on and which kids are priorities are the staff. None of them post here, FWIW. All the rest is second and third hand info and conjecture. If you want to use that as a basis to freak out, knock yourselves out.
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Post by mfrekko on Aug 28, 2010 16:50:36 GMT -5
To pick on up DanMcQ's post, I have it on very good authority that RDF is about to transfer to the GW board if we don't sign a big pronto.
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Post by HometownHoya on Aug 28, 2010 16:53:08 GMT -5
Wait, wouldn't that mean that this entire board is speculation! So the board is breaking the board rules?!?!? Im feeling a rip in the space time continuum coming on.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 28, 2010 17:39:07 GMT -5
Wait, wouldn't that mean that this entire board is speculation! So the board is breaking the board rules?!?!? Im feeling a rip in the space time continuum coming on. Nice try. No mention of rules made, just pointing out that this ain't slit your wrists stuff.
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 28, 2010 21:43:16 GMT -5
Just returned from watching the Rise Elite 24 in Venice Beach. The whole thing was mildly depressing given we don't have a single commit from this promising class. On the flip side, it was pretty cool getting to watch some of fellas we've all followed on Hoyatalk.
FWIW, here are some of my impressions of just a few of the fellas:
Rak - the kid would have been a nice fit. He played with intensity and was a presence on defense. I don't think he's a one and done type talent, but rather a kid who over the course of 2 or 3 years could develop into a dominant player. He does have to add some muscle ....he lost quite a few boards in the fray and got pushed around DaJuan Coleman, who is an absolute load.
JOB - Good player, big boy, but I just couldn't ever imagine the kid in a hoya uniform. Can't explain it. There are guys that seem like Hoyas, Sam Thompson, for one is a guy I see in hoya uniform. JOB on the other hand...I don't, weird as it may seem.
James McAdoo - UNC got themselves a winner.
Austin Rivers was great....has a nose for the ball, great rebounder for his size, has a great cross-over, a nice shot, a nice floater, and he can finish traffic.
LaQuinton Ross - not sure if he was just off, but wasn't super impressed with his game.
Quinn Cook - The kid with the biggest attitude and the least game.
Jahii Carson - best athlete in the class in my mind. The kid has a good bball IQ and crazy hops.
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Post by harwoodhoya on Aug 28, 2010 23:31:28 GMT -5
DanMcQ-You would be surprised about how some people have inside info to certain programs. The reason message boards are popular now days is because of speculation and discussion. I'm not sure of your background on athletics but if you listen good enough you get good info. Trust me. Some people on here I am positive have a degree of seperation from Hoya coaches.
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