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Post by harwoodhoya on Apr 12, 2010 8:53:22 GMT -5
This class is gonna be special. Even though we haven't landed anyone yet we are on alot of players short lists which we could say as much last season. Seems like the staff is trying to make some noise. I like it. Mix in some 4 year kids with some McDonalds kids and let the magic happen. Georgetown player get alot better over there 4- years. Look at the difference in Greg.
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Post by cnyhoya on Apr 12, 2010 9:02:24 GMT -5
This class is gonna be special. Even though we haven't landed anyone yet But we have landed someone already!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 12, 2010 9:17:35 GMT -5
who? I thought we concluded Goodman is going to be a 2012 when all is said and done.
And while we are on the list for a lot of great prospects, that doesn't guarantee anything. How many stud SFs had us on their list for 2010 and we didn't get any of them. I'm optimistic, but we don't have anything guaranteed.
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Post by cnyhoya on Apr 12, 2010 9:27:04 GMT -5
It may not be settled, and lots can happen. Scout.com has Goodman in our 2011 class for now.
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Post by harwoodhoya on Apr 12, 2010 10:13:25 GMT -5
Goodman is a 2012. Talked to an Assault guy.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 12, 2010 10:19:26 GMT -5
harwood makes a good point about us being on SHORT lists with guys. We weren't on all of the elite SF's short lists....I think we narrowed our focus too much in years past banking that we could pull in 1 of the 2 guy we were on hard...unfortunately we got a bit burned...you can see this year the strategy is a little different. I'm excited about the 11 class too. Agreed there is a lot of time and nothings guaranteed but I like the way we are attempting to go after the class. Let's see how it shakes out
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 12, 2010 10:19:32 GMT -5
For reference, there is a 2011 thread here.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 12, 2010 10:57:56 GMT -5
I don't know we were on smith, kendrick, and mitchell's short lists and didn't get any of them.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 12, 2010 11:06:44 GMT -5
I don't know we were on smith, kendrick, and mitchell's short lists and didn't get any of them. Yeah, we may or may not be on more top players' short lists this year or not. But we were definitely on a lot of short lists. We were on Roscoe's, Hairston's, Thornton's, Kendrick's (kind of), Mitchell's, Starks', and Lubick's. Depending on how you feel about Moses' ranking, his too. Of course, of those, only Mitchell, Kendrick and Smith are going to end up really high, as HSB points out. The thing that bothers me is when people spin this as a bad thing. We're not going to recruit like UNC or Kentucky. Getting on these short lists is a good thing, even if our conversion rate is low. Most programs don't even get there. What I do really like about '11 is the number of bigs we are on. I was never as excited about the wings, because a lack of bigs has been the issue.
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Post by damnhoya on Apr 12, 2010 11:21:10 GMT -5
What I do really like about '11 is the number of bigs we are on. I was never as excited about the wings, because a lack of bigs has been the issue.[/quote]
Couldn't agree more. My pipedream would be to get Rak at center and O'Bryant at PF (HIGHLY unlikely). Wow. Then add Johnson in the backcourt and a wing. But yes, the bigger, the better (that's why I like Moses even though he is so raw; he is a big kid who could develop into something special in a couple years if he puts in the work).
To get even a couple of the top guys in '11 that have mentioned Gtown would be a coup for JTIII.
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Post by RDF on Apr 12, 2010 11:43:24 GMT -5
Lubick should've been on McDonald's team ahead of Javaughn Pinkston and many recruiting services have him as a top 15-25 recruit--HoopScoop has him #17. Markel Starks wasn't going to make any All Star game because he didn't play on AAU circuit--if he did--he'd have climbed rankings.
Seeing Abraham-was very pleasantly surprised--he's got more feel for game then I expected and can fill a role immediately with chance to be a player by his Soph season.
Bowen is guy I'm starting to really like--good feel and most athletic wing player III has recruited.
'11 class will be great and III's best. '10 misses have been noted-but Tony Mitchell is going to struggle to qualify--talking of going Latavious Williams route, Roscoe Smith is ranked beneath Nate Lubick by a lot of people now, and Jelan Kendrick would've been a great fit-but isn't as athletic as Bowen-and Hoyas needed Bowen's athleticism at that position more then anything.
This year--Christmas, O'Bryant, Miller, Cook, Johnson, Dawson, Henry, Katenda--guy who will rise as AAU season progresses, all are listing Hoyas and Georgetown has Goodman in '12 fold and he's one of better wing forwards I've seen for the Hoyas style of play--tall/skilled/can really shoot.
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Post by idhoya on Apr 12, 2010 11:46:13 GMT -5
Y is O'Bryant "highly unlikely"? If GU is in the top 2 and he's visiting seems to make him at least 50/50. The fact that he's an excellent student and values education would seem to make him better than that, imo.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 12, 2010 11:49:07 GMT -5
maybe he meant it was highly unlikely we got both. And I agree it's great we're mentioned by so many highly regarded prospects, I'm just pointing out we can't count our chickens before they're hatched.
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Post by idhoya on Apr 12, 2010 11:53:09 GMT -5
I think the inroads with Roc are obviously deeper than Johnny O, but I think getting both is possible. Doing that would eliminate getting guys like Chol, Hopkins and to an extent Lawson and Jordan O; although I think they could take Jordan and redshirt him.
Def can't count any chickens. Need to reel in a couple top ten classes in a row before Hoyas can get cocky. Don't think III will ever get cocky though.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 12, 2010 12:00:25 GMT -5
RDF, I am very excited about Bowen. I knew nothing about him, but when I saw that he's long, athletic, can shoot -- he fits in well with where this team needs to go on defense. We will need scorers to replace Austin, Greg and Chris (Markel, maybe?), but I like where our non-scoring recruiting is going better than the last few years.
Let's face it, while in 06, 07 and 08 we garnered four McD's and five Jordan's AAs, we basically got four scoring/creating players in Wright, Summers, Freeman and Monroe.
In basketball, you need those guys, but you also need to surround them with guys who can convert their open looks, not turn the ball over when they have it, rebound and play D -- basically contribute while our AAs are scoring/creating.
Players like Sapp, Ewing, etc. Jeremiah and Macklin were good starts in that area (though Rivers was a bit too focused on contributing without the ball) but with their transfer, a really disappointing 07 class in that respect (Wattad and Nikita), and just one positive contributor in 08 and 09 (Clark - I think Vee can, but positionally he was blocked), it's apparent that the last four classes have been high on stars and virtually empty on the rest.
06-09 Classes:
10 player/years of quality scorer/creator players (argue Summers if you like, I'm not going to bother, though know I'd likely agree with you). That's over two years per playing year.
7 player/years of quality "off the ball" players (2 years of Rivers, Macklin and Clark, 1 year of Vaughn). Again, feel free to quibble, but having about just below two good years per playing year is not a good thing from these classes.
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Do I know that Bowen, Abraham, etc. are going to provide that? That they won't have a first two years like Henry? That they won't transfer? No.
But we've dodged the disastrous 07 class so far in this respect (no quality "off the ball" guys). 08 gave us Clark and still a chance for Henry to develop. 09 gave us Vee and I know some folks really love Benimon (I am skeptical), but I think we get at least one out of that class.
If Moses and Bowen can be those guys, we can go in years like 11-12 with an awesome supporting cast. Markel is definitely a creator type, but I haven't seen enough of Lubick to see if he'll play a Green/Monroe-esque role or more of a beefed-up Ewing role.
How good we'll be from there is whether Clark, Starks and Lubick can elevate from supporting to stars or whether we grab some other creators in the '11 class.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 12, 2010 12:04:02 GMT -5
I think it's great that we are on so many short lists. What I don't want to hear from is the people who grouse that III can't recruit if we don't end up pulling in enough of the group to satisfy them. It's not like we're the only team out there.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 12, 2010 12:31:46 GMT -5
I don't know we were on smith, kendrick, and mitchell's short lists and didn't get any of them. that's 3....i said 2 guys (counting on landing 1 of those 2)....and i don't really count mitchell per say...i think we were waiting on that guys grades to fully commit an offer. (thanks for making my point hsb haha) i know i'm a broken record for this but i've been saying for awhile that the evolution of this system is gona be very attractive for recruits...noones gona be able to say we're plodding...this is gona get kids ready for the league better than most. Scouts have all noticed how well JTIII prepares kids and their fundamentals already...
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Post by damnhoya on Apr 12, 2010 14:45:34 GMT -5
maybe he meant it was highly unlikely we got both. And I agree it's great we're mentioned by so many highly regarded prospects, I'm just pointing out we can't count our chickens before they're hatched. Like HSB said, I did mean I don't expect us to land both. I think JTIII is a good recruiter but we aren't UNC, KU, or UK. I don't expect us to land 3 to 5 top 50 players every year (and I wouldn't want to either - a nice mix is best in my opinion). That is why I am cautious about getting too overhyped about who is coming and who isn't. At the end of the day, if we land either Rak or O'Bryant, that's big. As I said, if we got both, WOW. We would definitely be looking at the best frontcourt in the country (although not out of the gate their freshman year). You always have to be cautiously optimistic with recruiting. There is a chance we don't get either guy (which is why III is recruiting so many bigs). There is lots of talent out there anyway in the '11 class. Will be very interesting to see how it shakes out. Then you have to think playing time. All these kids want to play right away. We lose Vaughn, but these guys would be behind Lubick, Sims, Moses and Benimon until they step on campus and prove themselves (I'm not counting Benimon as a SF until he learns how to shoot better, dribble, etc.). I'm not saying they wouldn't leapfrog some of those guys but you can't assume they are going to be starting the day they arrive. People get too excited with freshmen all too often and don't realize they need to develop. id, I would be gladly shocked if we got both Rak and O'Bryant. Give me one and I'll be very content.
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Post by idhoya on Apr 12, 2010 21:50:13 GMT -5
Talk about enforcers on the front line. Teams would struggle to score. Hoyas would pound the rims on both ends.
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Post by tonyparker on Apr 12, 2010 22:03:34 GMT -5
From what I hear, O'Bryant wants to be more of a 3/4, and Christmas a 4/5.
I think we can get both and I think III will target both. Actually still think we should grab Tyrone Johnson at guard, pray for O'Bryant and Christmas to commit, and then with our fourth grab Jordan Omegbehin. Summers/Green/Hibbert worked pretty well - let's go back to what works.
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