SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 12, 2010 12:12:22 GMT -5
Gotdweeb just called GU the TOughest remaining out in the BET... essentially, predicting a Hoya BET Title.
I am not worried about MU. Hoyas are much better when we are playing at the top of our game. And we are playing at the top of our game.
HoyainSpirit -- go do something else for the afternoon! That's what I am about to do. Come back at 7!!!
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 12, 2010 12:16:53 GMT -5
RE: fixing the 3 point defense, I would have agreed with SFHoya99 prior to last night. The Hoya guards pretty much shut down SU's open looks from three for most of the second half. Of course, SU gets threes primarily by running Johnson and Rautins off high screens and as has been pointed out Marquette gets them more from drive-and-kick so it may be a different thing. Pound the ball inside early because they will not be able to stop it. That may have the added bonus of getting Hayward in early foul trouble.
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Post by westendhoya on Mar 12, 2010 12:21:54 GMT -5
Agree. Clark was doing a great job of getting around the off the ball screens being set for Rautins in the second half...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 12, 2010 12:28:16 GMT -5
Having played at noon for two straight days, it's hard having to wait until 7:00! Just gives us that much more time to drink before tip-off.
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Hoya50
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Post by Hoya50 on Mar 12, 2010 12:39:37 GMT -5
i think tonight we see the return of a productive julian. he has a height and power advantage vs mu and if greg's seeing double teams, i suspect julian will be dunking early and often. he should have good success on the boards as well.
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canissaxa
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Post by canissaxa on Mar 12, 2010 12:48:49 GMT -5
They do the "Duke" thing where they drive to set up the three rather than score. (As an aside, there's a cute thread on the Marquette board where they claim Buzz is revolutionary for this, when it's been the Duke offense since Elton Brand left.) We're extraordinarily susceptible to this, and while we've cut down on the over-help recently, to my eyes, we're still not great at preventing open threes. This is an interesting point re: overhelp. I've definitely seen our guys shade off good shooters towards the paint on a drive just a step too far and get burned for it. For a team like Marquette that doesn't have a legitimate post threat, if Marquette is playing 4 out, can we just have Greg/Julian clog the center to help if their guards get a step on their defender. Greg in particular has the quick hands to help prevent easy dishes and the quick feet to rotate back to his man on anything but the perfect pass. In fact, if Greg can stay out of foul trouble, you could even have the beaten guard take responsibility for denying the dump to Hayward (or whoever is playing the post). I don't see Acker and other short slashers scoring over Greg with anything other than a circus shot, and AF and JC wouldn't be giving up too much on any rotation (Chris on Hayward would be a mismatch). If everyone else stays home, I could see a lot of out of control drives running into Greg with his arms up or MU guards jumping with no where to throw the ball. 5 out by Marquette make this strategy less feasible since their bigs can shoot the 3 well enough to keep Greg honest and out of the paint, but none of the MU guards have DoJo or Born Ready's combination of speed and strength to make them a real threat to break down our guards and finish at the rim consistently even if we can't bring over weakside help. I've watched Marquette a few times this year, but I'm not certain if they run many 5 out sets. Does anyone know?
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 12, 2010 12:56:19 GMT -5
Interesting how the 8 seed is actually a 3.5 point favorite over the 5 seed.
At this point it goes without saying that Wright makes the all tourney team. Another good effort by Clark and he cements himself in there as well.
Every time we make a nice run in the tourney...we've have a breakout by one guy. In years past its been Shenard Long, or Victor Page, ...this year its Clark's turn to make a name for himself in the national spotlight.
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canissaxa
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Post by canissaxa on Mar 12, 2010 12:59:01 GMT -5
Almost done playing arm-chair coach, but does anyone else feel that we're not going to see much of JV this game? He'll be a huge mismatch on offense, but just as big a mismatch on defense.
Even worse, when both JV and GM are in the game, GM plays the 4 and he's going to be at an even bigger disadvantage against their shorter, quicker 4s, so more likely to pick up fouls or shade off shooters.
I think we're going to see almost as much HT as yesterday, since Benimon only partially fixes the footspeed problem on defense and brings less to the offense than HT.
If I were JTIII, I would be tempted to play some offense/defense with Julian/Hollis. Not every possession as you would with a foul problem, but just making switches at the occasional time out and free throw to get Julian more offensive possessions and HT more defensive possessions.
(And of course for posters who want to state the obvious, if I were JTIII, I'd understand the game well enough to think 20 better tactics before breakfast.).
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Post by joey0403p on Mar 12, 2010 13:02:54 GMT -5
Easily the slowest moving day in a very long time. It needs to be 5 pm ASAP.
Yes I'm aware the game doesn't start till 7 - but at 5 I can reasonably leave work without being asked to use vacation days. Plus then i can start drinking and the time will move quicker.
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gutuna
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Post by gutuna on Mar 12, 2010 13:03:11 GMT -5
Almost done playing arm-chair coach, but does anyone else feel that we're not going to see much of JV this game? He'll be a huge mismatch on offense, but just as big a mismatch on defense. I definitely agree with you. As this thing plays out, I think we're going to see a whole lot of Hollis. Hayward is a mismatch for just about every team out there, so there's not a whole lot you can do about that other than play solid honest D. I think we can score on this team if we hold on to the ball. Our focus needs to be on defending the drive and kick and on solid man-on-man rebounding technique.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 12, 2010 13:06:51 GMT -5
Agreed on Hollis. He has started to look comfortable and like he belongs. His shot is much more relaxed (except on the line last night - but that was a freshman jitters thing I think) and he's really doing a good job on the defensive end and on the boards. Vee has looked relaxed whenever he's come into a game. I also like the attitude Chris Wright conveyed in his post-game quotes last night.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 12, 2010 13:16:34 GMT -5
Agree with canis and tuna. I don't think Julian will play a lot of minutes tonight.
Marquette can REALLY shoot the 3 ball. I didn't go back and look at the statistics from the St. John's game, but I think they broke 60% in that game as well as the Nova game. This is going to be a very tough game, just like the first one. But hopefully with a different result.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 12, 2010 13:27:22 GMT -5
seems that austin isn't comfortable shooting at msg and hopefully he'll work it out. I've thought the same thing based his history at the BET, but what about the Butler game?
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Post by chep3 on Mar 12, 2010 13:34:30 GMT -5
SF, I agree we've been very bad with our 3 point defense this year, and they'll burn us if we give them open looks. Now hopefully they don't make 12, and if we turn the ball over less and do a better job on the boards, it might not matter. But what would you think would be a better way to defend them? I'd be tempted to go zone simply because I think we might actually rotate to closeout a little better if we made them pass it around rather than collapse on a driving guard, but we have been terrible at zone as well.
Also agree that as good as Julian could be for us on the boards and on offense, he will have trouble matching up on defense.
The other problem we have defensively is they don't turn the ball over. Getting out in transition has been big for us. We need to find a way to make that happen.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 12, 2010 13:40:46 GMT -5
RE: fixing the 3 point defense, I would have agreed with SFHoya99 prior to last night. The Hoya guards pretty much shut down SU's open looks from three for most of the second half. Of course, SU gets threes primarily by running Johnson and Rautins off high screens and as has been pointed out Marquette gets them more from drive-and-kick so it may be a different thing. Pound the ball inside early because they will not be able to stop it. That may have the added bonus of getting Hayward in early foul trouble. A little JT3 shouting and pointing was all it took.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 12, 2010 13:48:19 GMT -5
Agreed on Hollis. He has started to look comfortable and like he belongs. His shot is much more relaxed (except on the line last night - but that was a freshman jitters thing I think) and he's really doing a good job on the defensive end and on the boards. Vee has looked relaxed whenever he's come into a game. I also like the attitude Chris Wright conveyed in his post-game quotes last night. I think we will see a balanced mix of Vaughn and Hollis like in the first game, if Vaughn is feeling better. Other than Cubillan coming down to Earth from the first game, the X-factor will be Vee. JT3 now has a long guard to help the defense. I don't think there will be mental lapses this time around.
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Post by gutuna on Mar 12, 2010 13:50:10 GMT -5
A little JT3 shouting and pointing was all it took. Man, did I love that! While I love that JTIII usually has a calm and steady demeanor, it's wonderful to see him insist, even to the point of shouting, that the players stick to the gameplan. That got me fired up at home!
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Hoya50
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Post by Hoya50 on Mar 12, 2010 13:53:05 GMT -5
seems that austin isn't comfortable shooting at msg and hopefully he'll work it out. I've thought the same thing based his history at the BET, but what about the Butler game? true, but for the majority of the games austin's outside shooting hasn't been of his usual quality. i will say that one of the trademarks of msg is that they dim the lights save for the court and i've never seen that at any other arena. maybe that's messing with austin's head, i'm not sure.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 12, 2010 13:55:06 GMT -5
SF, I agree we've been very bad with our 3 point defense this year, and they'll burn us if we give them open looks. Now hopefully they don't make 12, and if we turn the ball over less and do a better job on the boards, it might not matter. But what would you think would be a better way to defend them? I'd be tempted to go zone simply because I think we might actually rotate to closeout a little better if we made them pass it around rather than collapse on a driving guard, but we have been terrible at zone as well. Also agree that as good as Julian could be for us on the boards and on offense, he will have trouble matching up on defense. The other problem we have defensively is they don't turn the ball over. Getting out in transition has been big for us. We need to find a way to make that happen. I don't think I'd go zone -- it actually encourages more collapsing. I think it is all about degrees, though. If you have DJO or one of the other great shooters, don't help. If David Cubillan beats Wright, let Monroe deal with it. Clark (covering DJO here) doesn't have to slide down, for example. Of course, we may just get burned inside, but they don't really have a low post threat, so there's no reason to collapse on a post player. I might lay off the drivers as well until they prove they can make it. Either way, the biggest thing about Marquette is that they are good. Heyward's good, Butler's good and Odom is good. Just because the latter two aren't as hyped as Kemba Walker and Stanley Robinson doesn't mean anything. They are better players right now.
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Post by gtownforever on Mar 12, 2010 13:57:15 GMT -5
I think we will see a balanced mix of Vaughn and Hollis like in the first game, if Vaughn is feeling better. I really hope he does. He looked miserable before the game yesterday and whenever he came out. Even if he's 100% tonight, I think Hollis will still get minutes over him, for the matchup reasons discussed above.
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