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Post by professorhoya on Mar 12, 2010 22:06:29 GMT -5
greg monroe = dirk nowitzki? The main areas he could improve if he stays next season are FT shooting and 3 Pt shots and maybe a sky hook. That and maybe playing some point in a big man lineup. There's still room for improvement if he stays.
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Post by mapei on Mar 12, 2010 22:09:10 GMT -5
Austin looks OK to me. He isn't nailing the 3s, true, but he's been quick enough otherwise. He swished all his FTs.
He might even be better physically than, say, 3 weeks ago now that his blood sugar is where it should be. (BTW, I'm glad I'm not a patient of the GU Hospital Dr who has dropped everything else to follow Austin around now.)
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Post by whatmaroon on Mar 12, 2010 22:09:47 GMT -5
Wow just looked at the box score. out rebounded them 40-18 I knew we were good on the boards, but that's unreal! ESPN box is always wrong. Hoya Hoops box score is probably right-actual rebounding edge was only 44-24. Hoyas got 11 of 30 on offensive end, a little better than average, but 33 of 38 on the defensive end. That's the best, in percentage terms, they've done this season and less than half as many as Marquette got in the first game.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 12, 2010 22:10:08 GMT -5
Greg has grown so much in the last year. Just wow. I wonder if he could play PG a la Magic Johnson. His skillset is quite similar, believe it or not. I get the desire to compare Greg to Magic-- and other players. But he may be something completely different. Magic had much better ball handling ability. The passing is similar, though. I think it is the ability to digest the whole play and see a half second into the future that makes the comparison to Magic a good one. The mental aspect. The way he has played in the BET has been jaw dropping. I keep thinking, "How did he see that? How did he know that would happen?' Magic could handle for sure but alot of his ball handling ended up being backing up his smaller defender Mark Jackson style by using his whole body as a barrier between the defender and the ball. And that's easier to do if you have a big body/size advantage. I really think Greg could be the closest thing to Magic and could play PG Magic style (meaning that you would have a very quick, defensive shooting guard to complement you who guards the point on defense, so Greg would guard the shooting guard on defense).
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 12, 2010 22:10:58 GMT -5
Raftery and Bilas were a bit befuddled in trying to compare Monroe to an NBA player. I think Bilas suggested Sam Perkins but Raftery said Perkins didn't have the passing ability. I also think Perkins had a better face up jump shot. Monroe is sui generis.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 12, 2010 22:13:08 GMT -5
Austin looks OK to me. He isn't nailing the 3s, true, but he's been quick enough otherwise. He swished all his FTs. He might even be better physically than, say, 3 weeks ago now that his blood sugar is where it should be. (BTW, I'm glad I'm not a patient of the GU Hospital Dr who has dropped everything else to follow Austin around now.) His misses have been very ugly though (Jeremiah Rivers like) which is uncharacteristic of Freeman. I think it's just taking some time to adjust to his new body weight. Hopefully by the tourney he'll have adjusted.
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Post by HoyaSC on Mar 12, 2010 22:13:40 GMT -5
I get the desire to compare Greg to Magic-- and other players. But he may be something completely different. Magic had much better ball handling ability. The passing is similar, though. I think it is the ability to digest the whole play and see a half second into the future that makes the comparison to Magic a good one. The mental aspect. The way he has played in the BET has been jaw dropping. I keep thinking, "How did he see that? How did he know that would happen?' Magic could handle for sure but alot of his ball handling ended up being backing up his smaller defender Mark Jackson style by using his whole body as a barrier between the defender and the ball. And that's easier to do if you have a big body/size advantage. I really think Greg could be the closest thing to Magic and could play PG Magic style (meaning that you would have a very quick, defensive shooting guard to complement you who guards the point on defense, so Greg would guard the shooting guard on defense). True, Magic posted up smaller guards a lot. But he also brought the ball up the court against much smaller guys and wheeled and dealed on the break. Hard to see Greg doing that. He still looks like a big man handling the ball. Magic looked like a guard. But was 6'9".
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Post by HoyaSC on Mar 12, 2010 22:14:35 GMT -5
How much weight has Freeman lost?
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 12, 2010 22:15:01 GMT -5
Raftery and Bilas were a bit befuddled in trying to compare Monroe to an NBA player. I think Bilas suggested Sam Perkins but Raftery said Perkins didn't have the passing ability. I also think Perkins had a better face up jump shot. Monroe is sui generis. Perkins is an insult. Because he was just a fat player who shot is balloon set 3 Pt shot and blocked some shots on defense. He was also very lazy. I dunno why they keep comparing him to Perkins because Perkins never had the handles or passing ability.
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Post by upstatehoya on Mar 12, 2010 22:17:08 GMT -5
love it. i think his decision to go pro remains sub judice. also, for austin, i think he realizes his 3-ball's not falling, and decided sua sponte to take it inside.
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Post by hoyadestroya on Mar 12, 2010 22:18:13 GMT -5
Has there been a higher seed in the Finals before?
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Post by mapei on Mar 12, 2010 22:18:25 GMT -5
As an aside, man that ponderous backing-down style that Magic played toward the end of his career was boring to watch.
I can't think of a single NBA player who has Greg's same strengths. He has developed into the ideal high post player for our offense.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 12, 2010 22:18:41 GMT -5
How much weight has Freeman lost? I dunno. I just know his neck is considerably thinner (not that that's bad because his neck was kind of fat before). His arms look thinner and more muscular now. Before they were kind of pudgy because the fat was hiding the muscle. So his overall weight is different which means he'll probably still adjusting his outside shot. Less weight he might need to add a little more power from his legs to get the same trajectory/arc on jump shots.
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 12, 2010 22:20:46 GMT -5
Has there been a higher seed in the Finals before? Yes, but if you want to stay on that high from tonight's game, don't bother looking up who it was or how they got there.
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Post by jagtrader on Mar 12, 2010 22:21:28 GMT -5
Has there been a higher seed in the Finals before? Yes, but if you want to stay on that high from tonight's game, don't bother looking up who it was or how they got there. I'm surprised anyone could forget.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 12, 2010 22:21:42 GMT -5
As an aside, man that ponderous backing-down style that Magic played toward the end of his career was boring to watch. I can't think of a single NBA player who has Greg's same strengths. He has developed into the ideal high post player for our offense. I actually like it. I liked when Mark Jackson did it too and would either just backdown his defender and then hook shot, which eventually forces the double team leading to easy passes to the open man. Course that's my style of play too, so maybe that's why I like it. It's an unstoppable move if you have an automatic hook shot.
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 12, 2010 22:25:11 GMT -5
In terms of ability, all-around game and general joie du vivre, I like to compare and contrast Greg Monroe with Bill Walton. Great passers both, and each can do things with either hand on either side of the basket. Perhaps the only thing Walton did that Monroe cannot is amass 600+ Grateful Dead shows.
Also, tonight I would liken the Hoyas second half to a vintage 70's Meadowlark Lemon and Curly Neal led Harlem Globetrotters performance, only the unis were different.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 12, 2010 22:26:45 GMT -5
I really like the way Hollis Thompson has developed late in the season. He's become a real offensive threat and all around weapon.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 12, 2010 22:42:12 GMT -5
Raftery and Bilas were a bit befuddled in trying to compare Monroe to an NBA player. I think Bilas suggested Sam Perkins but Raftery said Perkins didn't have the passing ability. I also think Perkins had a better face up jump shot. Monroe is sui generis. Perkins is an insult. Because he was just a fat player who shot is balloon set 3 Pt shot and blocked some shots on defense. He was also very lazy. I dunno why they keep comparing him to Perkins because Perkins never had the handles or passing ability. im pretty sure i heard someone compare him to lebron once.
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Post by HoyaSC on Mar 12, 2010 22:43:08 GMT -5
In terms of ability, all-around game and general joie du vivre, I like to compare and contrast Greg Monroe with Bill Walton. Great passers both, and each can do things with either hand on either side of the basket. Perhaps the only thing Walton did that Monroe cannot is amass 600+ Grateful Dead shows. Also, tonight I would liken the Hoyas second half to a vintage 70's Meadowlark Lemon and Curly Neal led Harlem Globetrotters performance, only the unis were different. Nice. Walton really is a good comparison.
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