hoyas2006
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Post by hoyas2006 on Feb 1, 2010 14:36:33 GMT -5
just a rumor it seems
Big Ten source rebukes Pitt expansion report <abbr class="published" title="2010-02-01T11:32:06-06:00">February 1, 2010 11:32 AM</abbr> | No Comments By Teddy Greenstein
Erroneous reports such as this one from sports radio host Ben Maller have surfaced that claim that Pittsburgh is set to join an expanded Big Ten.
Apparently, the original source was a few student-athletes at Pitt who tweeted about a meeting during which Big Ten expansion was brought up -- or, more likely, not brought up.
Bottom line, a source at the conference reiterated to the Tribune on Monday that the Big Ten will adhere to the timetable it laid out in December: a 12-to-18 month period of analysis. The league will then determine whether it wants to expand and, if so, how many schools it will invite to the party.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 1, 2010 14:53:18 GMT -5
What if Pitt left and ND football just joined the Big East? Make basketball be 4 home/aways and football stays the same?
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Post by ceshoya on Feb 1, 2010 14:59:49 GMT -5
What if Pitt left and ND football just joined the Big East? Make basketball be 4 home/aways and football stays the same? ND football will never join any conference unless they really get bad. Like averaging 3 wins a year bad. They are just so full of themselves, and despite being an average program the last 10+ years, they still think they are bigger than college football.
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Post by The Stig on Feb 1, 2010 15:30:56 GMT -5
What if Pitt left and ND football just joined the Big East? Make basketball be 4 home/aways and football stays the same? ND football will never join any conference unless they really get bad. Like averaging 3 wins a year bad. They are just so full of themselves, and despite being an average program the last 10+ years, they still think they are bigger than college football. More accurately, ND football will never join a conference unless NBC cancels their TV contract, or that conference lets them keep the NBC contract without sharing any of the money they get from it. In other words, shortly after Satan gets in a snowball fight.
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Post by NorthCarolinaHOYA on Feb 1, 2010 15:40:24 GMT -5
Hey Guys sorry to be uninformed but can you please explain these associations that a number of schools belong too? example: Association of American Universities research School
What does it mean for the general undergrad student body? Does Gtown belong to any university associations?
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Post by theexorcist on Feb 1, 2010 15:57:20 GMT -5
Hey Guys sorry to be uninformed but can you please explain these associations that a number of schools belong too? example: Association of American Universities research School What does it mean for the general undergrad student body? Does Gtown belong to any university associations? E en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Universities has the membership list. They're essentially the best research-focused programs in the country (and Canada) - the only top 25 schools ranked by US News that aren't members are Notre Dame, Dartmouth, and Georgetown. Missouri, Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers are members. UConn and WVU are not.
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Post by DuddingtonHoya on Feb 1, 2010 16:12:36 GMT -5
Given the choice between getting kicked out of the Big East and upgrading football, would/could Nova upgrade football to full D1?
Also, IF georgetown basketball remains extremely relevant, I wouldn't be surprised if the football schools form a 12 team conference and kept the Hoyas around for a 13th team in basketball and all non-football sports. It helps the conference resume. But Seton Hall, DePaul, etc (minus Nova) would be out.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 1, 2010 16:16:13 GMT -5
The B10, generally gets two BCS bowls, versus one for the BE. The second bowl is worth $5M, plus they get $4.5m for the Captiol One and $4.5M for the Outback. The BE gets $3M for the Gator This is the wrong analysis. Stewart Mandel wrote a pretty convincing piece on the folly of Big Ten expansion late last year when this first came up. One of the biggest reasons the Big Ten has been so lucky as to regularly get two BCS teams is that they don't have a conference championship game to saddle the no.2 team with another loss before bowl season. Consider this year--there is simply no way Iowa gets the BCS bid if they play Ohio State again and lose in a Big Ten championship game. The ACC has learned that simply having a championship game doesn't guarantee big dollars--granted the Big Ten teams tend to travel well and you'd expect high attendance, but as Mandel pointed out given the likely loss of that regular second BCS team and the need to suddenly expand the number of teams by which you're dividing the pool, any new Big Ten team has to bring a TON of money to the table. I'm just not sure Pitt will do that. I'm not assuming that the powers that be are smart enough to look at it this way, but its an interesting take: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/12/15/bigten-expansion/index.html
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Post by whatmaroon on Feb 1, 2010 18:24:06 GMT -5
the B10 ownes 51% of the BTN, ESPN 49%. But it is not an exclusive, the other networks can cherry-pick games. Nit: it's actually Fox Sports and not ESPN that has the 49% stake. This is the wrong analysis. Stewart Mandel wrote a pretty convincing piece on the folly of Big Ten expansion late last year when this first came up. One of the biggest reasons the Big Ten has been so lucky as to regularly get two BCS teams is that they don't have a conference championship game to saddle the no.2 team with another loss before bowl season. Consider this year--there is simply no way Iowa gets the BCS bid if they play Ohio State again and lose in a Big Ten championship game. The ACC has learned that simply having a championship game doesn't guarantee big dollars--granted the Big Ten teams tend to travel well and you'd expect high attendance, but as Mandel pointed out given the likely loss of that regular second BCS team and the need to suddenly expand the number of teams by which you're dividing the pool, any new Big Ten team has to bring a TON of money to the table. I'm just not sure Pitt will do that. I'm not assuming that the powers that be are smart enough to look at it this way, but its an interesting take: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/12/15/bigten-expansion/index.htmlPenn State was also eligible for a BCS at-large selection this year (#13), so the B10 would've had 2 BCS teams even with an Iowa loss knocking them out of the top 14. I don't think Mandel's as bad as some people think he is, but he still too often opens his mouth without knowing that of which he speaks. More to the point, there's probably only 2 years in BCS history where an additional loss for the #2 B10 team leaves them with only 1 team in the top 14 when they have 2 otherwise (Illinois 2007, Ohio State 2008). He's absolutely right, though, that if the B10 adds a 12th team, it almost certainly won't be just for the sake of having 12 teams. Pitt would be 12th for the sake of being a 12th team, and even then other, more attractive candidates (Mizzou, Rutgers) might have to turn them down. I recommend the Frank the Tank analysis linked earlier in the thread ( frankthetank.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/the-big-ten-expansion-index-a-different-shade-of-orange/ and the follow-ups); while I believe he vastly overstates Syracuse's attractiveness in terms of football brand, TV value, and possibly academics as well, he has the right factors down and is properly dismissive of schools like Cincinnati, Iowa State, and West Virginia. Realistic B10 expansion talk is about Notre Dame's contract with NBC expiring and Comcast's (lack of) willingness to renew the deal about as much as it's about any other single factor.
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Post by HoyaSC on Feb 1, 2010 18:24:46 GMT -5
Maybe someone here can answer this question for me-- Whenever conference expansion is discussed, it always seems people talk about whether the school is a good academic fit. Is this really a factor that is ever considered by the decision-makers? It seems that all of the major conferences have their share of good and bad academic schools.
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Post by whatmaroon on Feb 1, 2010 18:38:43 GMT -5
Maybe someone here can answer this question for me-- Whenever conference expansion is discussed, it always seems people talk about whether the school is a good academic fit. Is this really a factor that is ever considered by the decision-makers? It seems that all of the major conferences have their share of good and bad academic schools. It depends on the conference. It's definitely a big deal to the Big 10, primarily because the Big 10 is as much about the CIC as it is about the athletic conference (at least if you're a university president), and I think it is for the Pac-10 as well (Stanford vetoed Texas when the SWC broke up because the price included taking Texas A&M). The Big East seems less choosy, taking USF and Cincinnati.
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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 1, 2010 18:44:19 GMT -5
If Pitt leaves and South Florida continues to improve, this will create an opening at the bottom of the BE. Yeah, I'll go there . . . ST. LEO'S, BABY!!!!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 1, 2010 18:45:58 GMT -5
Yep - Big 10 and Pac 10 are actual real conferences in a much stronger sense than athletics. That's one reason I'm dismissive of the Pac-10 rumors, which tend to revolve around schools that don't have the history/cohesion with the Pac-10 and bring almost nothing to the table except a conference championship game. There's zero western media markets missing from the Pac-10, unless they go to Texas (not likely) or Colorado (ditto). What would Utah or Fresno St or Boise St bring to the Pac-10?
Anyway, the other BCS conferences are more or less straight athletic affiliations.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Feb 2, 2010 0:47:14 GMT -5
What I fear most in this, is that we could be forced to play Division 1 football which would be almost impossible for us to consider when you factor in the impact of 90 scholarships with necessary academic accommodations in a 6500 undergrad school, the need for access to a 45,000 seat stadium, the need to generate revenue and the need to compete with no past tradition in the last 60 years. It is very hard to run a clean probation free program at the big time level as well.
Hopefully, the Big Ten only goes to one school and the Big East has its duck lined up with Memphis to replace the one we might lose ( I pray that their choice is Missouri instead). If they go to 14, the Big East is in trouble and so are we (unless, of course, we can win the National Championship this year or next and become so hot that the football schools would take us for basketball and other sports alone).
I have always thought entering the Ivy League with Duke (since the League would need 2 teams to balance schedules) would be an alternative. However, then I saw the Ivy basketball attendance figures from the NCAA last year and they were pathetic-like 1900 per game attendance. So this really is not an option if we want to stay big time. (A dream scenario would be if we could stay in the Big East for basketball alone, and play all the minor sports including FCS football in the Ivy League, but that would take Henry Kissinger to negotiate and he is getting up there in years and would probably charge a fee we couldn't afford with our current endowment).
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 11, 2010 13:02:56 GMT -5
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Post by lurkerhoya on Feb 11, 2010 13:31:06 GMT -5
Just heard this today on Cowherd. He mentioned there's also some $6 billion fund that the Big-10 and U. Chicago divide up that UT might want to get in on.
Off the cuff, I say there's a better chance of U. of Ottawa joining.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 11, 2010 13:57:14 GMT -5
Obviously, I don't know anything about this stuff, but the approach to Texas suggests to me two things: 1) the Big Ten gets it that just adding any old team isn't necessarily worth doing, meaning for our purposes that the Big East may be safe because nobody (other than ND) brings a big pile of automatic dollars to the table, and 2) regardless of whether or not they'd entertain it, Texas entertaining discussions should send shockwaves through the Big 12 such that if it doesn't jar Texas loose, the Big Ten may just have improved its chances to get Missouri, or even a bigger prize like Nebraska.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Feb 11, 2010 14:21:42 GMT -5
The Big East's best defense would be for us or Syracuse to win the National Championship this year after having garnered blow-out ratings for the Big East Tournament and our game with Syracuse this year. If the Big East could then lock in the most lucrative regular season contracts with ESPN and CBS and/or Fox, the COnference's and our situation would be set.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Feb 11, 2010 15:18:00 GMT -5
Obviously, I don't know anything about this stuff, but the approach to Texas suggests to me two things: 1) the Big Ten gets it that just adding any old team isn't necessarily worth doing, meaning for our purposes that the Big East may be safe because nobody (other than ND) brings a big pile of automatic dollars to the table, and 2) regardless of whether or not they'd entertain it, Texas entertaining discussions should send shockwaves through the Big 12 such that if it doesn't jar Texas loose, the Big Ten may just have improved its chances to get Missouri, or even a bigger prize like Nebraska. This is true and this rumor has some legs on it.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 11, 2010 15:31:27 GMT -5
The Big East's best defense would be for us or Syracuse to win the National Championship this year after having garnered blow-out ratings for the Big East Tournament and our game with Syracuse this year. If the Big East could then lock in the most lucrative regular season contracts with ESPN and CBS and/or Fox, the COnference's and our situation would be set. Bite your tongue - hard enough to draw blood. Any scenario for ANYTHING that would have someone suggest that Syracuse winning a natonal title could possibly, in any universe, benefit us could only result in the apocalypse. I would rather the Big East implode.
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