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Post by guru on Feb 1, 2010 10:51:05 GMT -5
There is NO way UConn and Syracuse leave the Big East. Your friend just lost credibility. I now deem this story to be bullcrap Well, for football it would be a major step up for both those schools - and we all know football is the engine that drives athletics at most of the bigger schools. I think this has been coming for a while now. The current setup of the Big East doesn't seem sustainable. Sad but true.
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Post by theexorcist on Feb 1, 2010 11:02:34 GMT -5
I can't believe that Dixon would fall on his sword to leave a program he has built at Pitt to one at St. John's that's not even close to that level. A move may make him MORE likely to leave, but I can't believe it would be the sole factor.
On UConn and SU - Conferences start getting unsustainable above twelve. I can't see bringing in UConn and SU to get some 14-team behemoth that seems destined to splinter (both UConn and SU also aren't the quality of academic institution that Pitt is, a fact which has really constrained the number of potential Big 10 candidates).
The fun part is the suggestion in the article that the PAC-10 poaches teams. If they take Mizzou and BYU, say, then the Big 12 has to replace somebody - maybe grab Arkansas? Then the SEC has to replace somebody - maybe grab Virginia Tech (leading to an ACC grab for UConn or SU) or WVU? Lots of dominoes can fall if the PAC10 decides to move.
All speculation, of course, but fun. Less, fun, of course, if the future of basketball matters. Remember to root for Marquette, St. John's, Seton Hall, Providence, and Villanova.
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Post by cincyhoya on Feb 1, 2010 11:03:36 GMT -5
Wonder if BC would want to come back - though obviously there's no love there, you'd have to be curious if they'd want to hit the reset button (and if the BE would be interested).
More relevant, aside from Memphis, Miami OH is a name that's tossed around as looking to move conferences - not high profile recently, but a fair program across multiple sports...
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Post by saxamaphone on Feb 1, 2010 11:06:16 GMT -5
If they're (hypothetically) adding UConn and Syracuse, that would put the conference at 14. Wasn't the point of flirting with Pitt to give them 12 teams to put them on par with the SEC and the Big 12? That would give them a manageable schedule for football and hoops and a football conference championship game.
Wouldn't adding 2 more schools get into the territory of unwieldy scheduling that's making the BE unsustainable? Or are they shedding dead weight and we just haven't heard about it yet?
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Post by ksf42001 on Feb 1, 2010 11:12:58 GMT -5
I can't believe that Dixon would fall on his sword to leave a program he has built at Pitt to one at St. John's that's not even close to that level. A move may make him MORE likely to leave, but I can't believe it would be the sole factor. He didn't exactly start from nothing when he joined Pitt. Ben Howland took them to two consecutive Sweet 16 finishes before Dixon came on board.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 1, 2010 11:14:14 GMT -5
Well, I would bet on Memphis being the obvious next domino to fall. However, I wonder if the football schools will use this as an opportunity to add a few more football teams and blow up the conference. It is obvious that as each BCS conference moves to a title game for football, the BE falls further behind.
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 1, 2010 11:16:40 GMT -5
PITT fits the B10 profile, big stadium and on campus BB facility. It has state support and funding to float the bonds needed to upgrade the rest of their facilities. If they add Missouri, which fits the profile, then they need something for the NY market. CUSE doesn’t have the big football facility and because of the snows, needs to build a bigger dome. UCONN would have to really invest a ton in their facilities to come up to the B10 requirements. UCONN doesn’t represent any past relationship with the current B10 schools. I would think they would go after another state supported school in the B12 North.
It’s all about the money. They own the B10 Network and have a big BCS share, which they divide up evenly among all the schools. They need to get a few better schools in the conference to boost the basketball status of the league. Better basketball creates better TV deals. Like Big Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, etc.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 1, 2010 11:19:22 GMT -5
Hoping against hope, I wish people would look at Internet stories like this with these three words: consider the source.
Did this come from the Chicago Tribune or the AP? No.
Did it come from a media outlet closely associated with the league? No.
Is anyone even remotely identified with the story? No.
This came from a blog called "Buckeye Banter", to whom Bleacher Report cut and pasted a story. This is its source: Facebook posts which seemingly do not exist in its archives.
That's the problem with unattributed sources--people project abject speculation as fact. Back in 2003-04, someone posted on this board the claim that Georgetown's losing ways under Craig Esherick were part of a secret plot by GU to deemphasize athletics and join the Patriot League under the guise of being unable to compete in basketball, and we rightly shot it down. HoyaTalk doesn't have the national distribution sites like Bleacher Report or Rivals have, but today, stories like that would be nationwide fodder. Given that this claim comes rght before National Signing Day is equally dubious.
The Big Ten promised a 12-18 month review and no 11 college presidents (plus Chicago, which is still a member in the CIC) could approve this in a matter of four weeks and in total secrecy. And if the word somehow got out, would they leak it on Facebook? Let's call this for what it is: nonsense.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 1, 2010 11:20:36 GMT -5
sad show me the money sad but true
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Post by guru on Feb 1, 2010 11:28:09 GMT -5
Hoping against hope, I wish people would look at Internet stories like this with these three words: consider the source. Did this come from the Chicago Tribune or the AP? No. Did it come from a media outlet closely associated with the league? No. Is anyone even remotely identified with the story? No. This came from a blog called "Buckeye Banter", to whom Bleacher Report cut and pasted a story. This is its source: Facebook posts which seemingly do not exist in its archives. That's the problem with unattributed sources--people project abject speculation as fact. Back in 2003-04, someone posted on this board the claim that Georgetown's losing ways under Craig Esherick were part of a secret plot by GU to deemphasize athletics and join the Patriot League under the guise of being unable to compete in basketball, and we rightly shot it down. HoyaTalk doesn't have the national distribution sites like Bleacher Report or Rivals have, but today, stories like that would be nationwide fodder. Given that this claim comes rght before National Signing Day is equally dubious. The Big Ten promised a 12-18 month review and no 11 college presidents (plus Chicago, which is still a member in the CIC) could approve this in a matter of four weeks and in total secrecy. And if the word somehow got out, would they leak it on Facebook? Let's call this for what it is: nonsense. Huh? I don't see anyone taking this report as fact. But there is a lot of speculation out there about this right now, so it's certainly possible and worth discussing. What's nonsense is your seeming assertion that only print newspapers can break and verify a story in this day and age. That is really just absurd.
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Post by deacon on Feb 1, 2010 11:39:43 GMT -5
The original sources were Pitt athletes apparently posting the news after meetings with the AD where it was disclosed that Pitt was indeed moving to the Big 10. The Tweets were all deleted, but the story nonetheless was picked up and gained traction.
Doesn't a mean a thing that AP or any other "reputable" news source didn't break the story first.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 1, 2010 11:39:48 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised to see Pitt being true. The other two would shock me a bit. The Big Integer going to 14? And the other two not for football seems completely wrong.
I'd do pretty much anything to not end up in a "Catholic Conference" -- long term that's going to be tough to keep up at a level of the current BE.
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Post by vcjack on Feb 1, 2010 11:40:17 GMT -5
I can see Pitt going, but I don't see why Syracuse or UConn would do anything partial. They can play non-conference if it is important to them, but I think they'll find out that no matter how good they were, no one gives about Pitt basketball. No one is going to miss that "rivalry." Dixon could go, but I think only if a job offer comes calling. He's not going to quit over it. Pitt will never win a conference championship in football ever again. The best thing for us is if the BE adds a team quickly from CUSA or something like that and moves on. I think the basketball schools actually half brought this on ourselves by insisting on Marquette and DePaul -- at this point I'd give up the voting block to have a stable conference. True on Dixon, but if this is true I could definitely see, say, the UConn AD calling him up and asking him "you wanna be Calhoun's successor?" And I actually think that for football it does make some sense. Penn State would finally have a natural rival and they style they play fits in with the rest of the schools. And recruiting won't slide/be enhanced (although Pitt football hasn't had an issue with winning recruiting battles, just actual games). In bball Dixon or whoever would have to totally restructure how they recruit though. The funny thing is that West Virginia had won/gone to the national title in 07-08 non of this probably would be even rumored. And guess who was responsible for that? Pitt. I can't remember when but I remember JTIII going on record at an event during the offseason saying that he doesn't believe that the current conference format is sustainable so I doubt many here will be caught flat footed.
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Post by tjm62 on Feb 1, 2010 11:44:24 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 1, 2010 12:01:22 GMT -5
Zagoria has been wrong on so many things this feels like a confirmation.
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 1, 2010 12:02:31 GMT -5
Zagoria has been wrong on so many things this feels like a confirmation. Hi-larious...I was actually thinking that same think.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Feb 1, 2010 12:06:46 GMT -5
The biggest mistake the ACC made was stealing BC and not UConn from the Big East. UConn had just built a new football stadium at the time and didn't have Division I history; but what it does have is more alumni in the New England market than any other school and a very strong, deep sports program. I'd bet there are more UConn alums in Boston than BC alums for TV purposes. It was a short sighted move on the part of the ACC that was the Big East's benefit. Connecticut is a very wealthy state that has poured north of $1 billion into its university system over the last decade.
UConn is the crown jewel of the Big East conference. The conference will be in a fine position to reconstitute if it loses anyone but them. If UConn goes, it all unravels. Obviously I am hoping that the logistics of UConn joining the Big Ten make no sense, or whatever. But I also thought BC joining the ACC made no sense.
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Post by Gold Hoya on Feb 1, 2010 12:08:48 GMT -5
DFW has the logical explanation here. The weekend overnight guy on Fox Sports Radio? Come on.
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Post by vcjack on Feb 1, 2010 12:10:35 GMT -5
The biggest mistake the ACC made was stealing BC and not UConn from the Big East. UConn had just built a new football stadium at the time and didn't have Division I history; but what it does have is more alumni in the New England market than any other school and a very strong, deep sports program. I'd bet there are more UConn alums in Boston than BC alums for TV purposes. It was a short sighted move on the part of the ACC that was the Big East's benefit. Connecticut is a very wealthy state that has poured north of $1 billion into its university system over the last decade. UConn is the crown jewel of the Big East conference. The conference will be in a fine position to reconstitute if it loses anyone but them. If UConn goes, it all unravels. Obviously I am hoping that the logistics of UConn joining the Big Ten make no sense, or whatever. But I also thought BC joining the ACC made no sense. BC and Virginia Tech have been consistently the best football teams in the ACC since the raid. BC much maligned lack of a traveling fanbase to championship games in Jacksonville is a reflection on their fans but despite as you say UConn having a bigger media and fan footprint its not like they would make up a big difference if you replaced them. The ACC's problem has been FSU and Miami being thoroughly mediocre
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Post by hoyaalf on Feb 1, 2010 12:25:20 GMT -5
I'll swap Pitt for Northwestern.
Like lic, I have toyed with the idea of a Jesuit or RC conf [sorry, Non-RC Alums].
Problems:
!.travel, eg. Gonzaga or any left coast team;
2. eastern over-weighting, The B'East already has most of the better RC schools [I'd take BC back.] Fordham might be worth it [location in NYC]; Duquesne to replace/annoy Pitt; Holy Cross to annoy B.C.; The Dome of the Rockne would be very necessary to keep, annoying ME!
Who have I missed?
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