HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 21, 2010 10:33:56 GMT -5
yes, we are. but it seems i watch them a little more objectively. he loafs around on defense. he's constantly out of position, can't play a pick and roll or pick and pop well, loses his man while watching the ball, chases the ball too often, doesn't work to get good defensive position instead choosing to play behind his man, and doesn't offer enough of an intimidating factor in the lane.
do yourself a favor and watch last nights game or the nova game again. you'll see exactly what i'm talking about.
i know the majority of the board goes insane whenever there is the slightest bit of criticism towards the team and especially greg (see this thread), but this is my opinion. i spend most of each game watching him on defense just to try to see if he improves but this is what i see most games, especially when he gets a foul early.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 21, 2010 10:39:31 GMT -5
Greg lives up to what JTIII wants from him.
And really, that is all that matters....for now.
Its weird...if Greg was a European player going into the NBA, he'd be hands down the #1 pick in the draft and lauded for his passing ability, etc.
Greg is what he is. He is a natural fit for JTIII and what he wants from Greg in this system.
Plus, Greg is a good kid. He has unbelievable poise and composure for a player.
I think Elmore gave the best assessment in that article. Greg needs to get stronger. He just isn't physically strong, especially below the waist *pause*. For the next level, Greg will have to get stronger if he will continue to bang down low in the paint.
Greg is an interesting player in that, he doesn't have the normal strength to be a back-to-the-basket type player. his passing ability is what you would want from a point Guard or point-forward, yet he doesn't the create-your-own-shot off the dribble type game.
So he doesn't really have a set position. He is sorta like a 5, but not really a 5. He is kinda like a 4, but not a traditional 4. But with JTIII and his coaching style and philosophy, thats ok. Nobody on this team has a set position really. Guys are interchangeable parts for the most part. We could have a different go-to-guy any time we play a game.
But how would that translate to the NBA is an interesting question.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 21, 2010 10:41:31 GMT -5
I don't get it, either. Here's the RSCI Top 10 from 2008: 1. Brandon Jennings - NBA, never played college 2. Jrue Holiday - didn't live up to expectations, jumped anyway 3. Tyreke Evans - NBA, scored a lot of easy points at Memphis 4. Samardo Samuels - not as good as Greg Monroe 5. Demar DeRozan - got hot at the end of the season, jumped 6. Greg 7. Al-Farouq Aminu - similar effectiveness offensively to Greg. 8. BJ Mullens - sucked. 9. Ed Davis - not as good as Greg. Complete complementary player. 10. Delvon Roe - been hurt a lot. this is where your bias really shows. samuels (7 less mpg) and davis (5 less mpg) numbers are every bit as good as greg's are. monroe is a much better passer than either of the two, but you make it should like they shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 21, 2010 11:02:11 GMT -5
If Greg was as bad on defense as you say, our defense wouldn't be a Top 25 defense. It'd be impossible with the sieve you describe playing 35 minutes in the center.
Instead, in conference play, when Greg is in (344 possessions before last night), the opponent had a 85.6 O Rating.
The next best on the Hoyas? Julian Vaughn's 93.1. In other words, the defense -- a Top 25 defense -- is substantially better when Greg is on the floor.
I don't see how that jives with your comments.
You're right about Samuels and Davis to some extent. They aren't bad players -- I'd love both to be playing PF for us.
They are very good players. I said neither was as good as Greg and that Davis is a complementary player. I still think that.
Neither could be the center of a great offense right now. Davis is an opportunistic player who mostly lets others create for him. Samuels has more of a low post game. Both are efficient and I'd love to see them as Hoyas and Samuels, in particular, has improved from last year. Both are great rebounders. Neither create for others.
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Post by Filo on Jan 21, 2010 11:06:40 GMT -5
I don't know, HoyaFanNY, I don't see anyone "going insane" over the criticism of Greg. Rather, I see some pretty calm, measured responses. You somehow think you are the pantheon of objectivity -- you may have some valid criticisms, but then couch them in terms like he "loafs around on defense" and "he's constantly out of position".
You think that sounds objective?
You seem to bend over backwards to criticize the team and the players. This naturally causes fans of the team to defend them. You then throw out the homerism card and pat yourself on the back as Captain Objectivity. It's pretty self-perpetuating, if that's even a term.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 21, 2010 11:22:47 GMT -5
Greg did have some lapses yesterday and he does have lapses through out the season. But for the majority of the time he plays really good defense.
I do think greg was getting fouled a lot in the post and it wasn't getting called. He really needs to post up on the block so that he can roll to the right and go up with his left hand instead of having to cut across the lane and shoot a hook with his left. That alone will raise his FG% dramatically.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 24, 2010 13:03:46 GMT -5
Until the Post has a "Hoyas Insider" blog to run alongside the "Terrapins Insider," I think we can safely assume the paper doesn't give a rat's ass about covering Georgetown. In the Post's defense, college basketball has limitations on interviewing players that the Wizards Insider has. And Maryland's insider covers numerous sports, especially a football program that draws ten of thousands of fans a game. It's hard to create a GU-specific blog when there's not a lot of info you can use to populate it. Looking at the wp.com today, I notice they have the following: Caviliers Journal Hokies Journal Mids Insider Mystics Insider Terps Insider and even a Soccer Insider All of that and nothing for Georgetown? That's crap (of course, if they did have a Hoyas Insider, I would expect it to be crap, but that's beside the point).
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 24, 2010 14:48:18 GMT -5
Looks like the Inside/Journal based purely on market research. The three big state schools with a presence in the area, Navy, with a national following, soccer has great interest in DC (suburbs//foreign born population) and Mystics, uh, political correctness.
No private school, even a nationally-ranked Hoyas merit that attention.
Re: Monroe. Since he's been playing real well, it's interesting that no one has mentioned his failure to use his off-hand lately. I noticed he made two shots with his right, a hook and a layup, IIRC, also made a face up mid-range jumper and 3 pointer.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 24, 2010 14:49:23 GMT -5
TRYING TO KEEP IT SECRET THIS MONROE THING YOU KNOW.... LET THEM ALL IN CUSE THINK HES STILL STRUGGLING TO LIVE UP TO ALL THE HYPE..... LET THEM THINK THAT.. HOPE NOBODY SAW THE RUTGERS GAME OR HIS STATS.... he freaking MISSED two shots COME ON GREG NEED PRACTICE AND STICK AROUND AT LEAST TWO MORE YEARS yup struggling tooooooo much wowowowowowoowo awesome baby awesome an al mcguire aircraft carrier who can pass real good but DONT TELL NOBODY PLEASE
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 24, 2010 15:43:47 GMT -5
TRYING TO KEEP IT SECRET THIS MONROE THING YOU KNOW.... LET THEM ALL IN CUSE THINK HES STILL STRUGGLING TO LIVE UP TO ALL THE HYPE..... LET THEM THINK THAT.. HOPE NOBODY SAW THE RUTGERS GAME OR HIS STATS.... he freaking MISSED two shots COME ON GREG NEED PRACTICE AND STICK AROUND AT LEAST TWO MORE YEARS yup struggling tooooooo much wowowowowowoowo awesome baby awesome an al mcguire aircraft carrier who can pass real good but DONT TELL NOBODY PLEASE " AT LEAST TWO MORE YEARS "Huh? Could Greg possibly still be around in three more years for a fifth season? Lic, I know you're trying to reach that 10,000th post as quickly as possible but, dude, you may be typing out stuff a little too fast.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 24, 2010 19:03:38 GMT -5
ok ok at least two more years then i heard he is A SMART GUY and might wanna delay his nba career to at least start med school at gu then hed have an additional year playing for the grad school league championship perhaps vs. jwall with the law school grad school team cant i not dream go hoyas go greg yes two and maybe and one
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 9, 2010 18:24:51 GMT -5
Chad ford has Monroe on the rise and states that he doesn't think monroe goes lower than Utah at 9. Huge change.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 9, 2010 20:15:45 GMT -5
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Post by ccoven on Feb 9, 2010 21:50:22 GMT -5
Saw this on ESPN2 tonight, 12pts 7 boards and 12assists, responsible for roughly 36-37 of our pts (I think one assist led to a 3pt play by Chris). That's almost 50% of our offense. I hope he continues to "struggle". Do you really believe that Demarcus Cousins and Derrick Favors will be in THE LEAGUE after their first contract? Do names like Stanley Roberts and Luther Wright ring a bell? Greg is far more advanced than either one of those guys. We don't ask him to hit the face up jumper from the elbow but he's more than capable and his passing skills, well, watch the highlights of the Providence game on ESPN.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 9, 2010 21:53:50 GMT -5
Today was Greg's 9th double double this season. Only Mike Sweetney has had more this millennium (Sweetney had 15 his soph. year and 16 his junior year).
And, considering Greg's two best assist totals have come against Providence (he had 8 last year, his previous career high, and a number that was lower than it could have been, since there were a few missed layups), a BET game against PC is probably the best chance we'll ever have of seeing a Hoya get a triple double (barring Greg staying another year, of course, at which point circle the PC game for another triple double opportunity).
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Post by hoya95 on Feb 9, 2010 21:58:15 GMT -5
Greg's got some things to work on for the next level--mainly getting stronger. But good lord, he is a highly, highly skilled player, especially for a 20 year old. Enjoy him while we can. Fantastic game tonight.
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Post by hoya73 on Feb 9, 2010 23:17:37 GMT -5
Greg needs to develop a consistent 15 foot jumper, too, for the next level. On the history of double doubles, I'd look at the box scores for Merlin Wilson's first two years if I could. He had a boatload of rebounds, (5 of the top 10 rebounding games in team history), and was a low double figure scorer. Scored less as the team added better teammates his 3rd and 4th year.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 9, 2010 23:23:35 GMT -5
Greg needs to develop a consistent 15 foot jumper, too, for the next level. On the history of double doubles, I'd look at the box scores for Merlin Wilson's first two years if I could. He had a boatload of rebounds, (5 of the top 10 rebounding games in team history), and was a low double figure scorer. Scored less as the team added better teammates his 3rd and 4th year. There's no doubt Wilson was a double-double machine, considering he has the top two rebounding seasons. The problem was I couldn't find any game stats further back than Sweetney, otherwise I'd have tried to figure out how all the big guys did. I'd love for the SID to figure it out if they could.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 9, 2010 23:36:21 GMT -5
I read that of the 12 times an individual Hoya player pulled down 20 rebounds Wilson was resposnible for eight of them.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 9, 2010 23:40:53 GMT -5
According to hoyabasketball.com, there have been 19 20 rebound games in Hoya history: Merlin Wilson had 8 20 rebound games Bob Sharpenter had 3 20 rebound games Dikembe Mutombo had 2 20 rebound games Dale Smith, Charlie Adrion, Ray Ohlmuller, Steve Sullivan, Alonzo Mourning and Mike Sweetney all had one 20 rebound game. hoyabasketball.com/records/bb-indiv.htm
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