kchoya
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Post by kchoya on Dec 23, 2009 15:33:51 GMT -5
Was not able to see the game, but was this just a situation where Chris was the fastest player on the court with the ball and could not be defended by anyone in a Havard jersey? I saw an awful lot of CW layups being called in the play by play. In any case, I am glad to see we allowed the hot hand to keep burning today. Sounds like between the steals and scoring, Chris was dominant on both sides. That couldn't be the case that wouldn't be consistent with the Princeton offense. As we all know, Wright is the square peg to the round hole offense.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Dec 23, 2009 15:44:15 GMT -5
Clearly, Nikita was holding Chris back.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 23, 2009 17:33:54 GMT -5
Most of chris's points came within the flow of the offense or as part of a fat break' steal. If anyone was hitting consistently from outside he would have easily had 10 plus assists. Not bad for the square peg.... .
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Post by aja32 on Dec 23, 2009 18:02:44 GMT -5
Clearly, Nikita was holding Chris back. Post of the day
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 23, 2009 18:32:46 GMT -5
Most of chris's points came within the flow of the offense or as part of a fat break' steal. If anyone was hitting consistently from outside he would have easily had 10 plus assists. Not bad for the square peg.... . Seems like Chris agrees with you: "Coming off the Old Dominion loss [Saturday], we wanted to really focus from start to finish today," said Wright after posting career highs in both scoring (34 points) and steals (six). "I wasn't really looking for my shot today. I wasn't trying to force anything, but I did take what was there." Per Barker's piece
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 23, 2009 18:56:39 GMT -5
CHRIS WAS WELL unbelievable yup he was my humble apologies for criticzing him at the beginning of the when he went into three people three times and lost the ball and THEN he didnot stop more came off of picks but still later blew by people he was guite good no VERY VERY GOOD STEALS AND GOOD HEAD FOR MOST OF THE GAME go hoyas beat st. johns..
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 23, 2009 19:11:20 GMT -5
He got a ton of points off of steals in the fast break or finishing on cuts to the hoop.
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Post by hoyasaxa10 on Dec 23, 2009 20:00:43 GMT -5
Chris had a really fantastic game today, which the box score obviously shows, but I have noticed a few things about how he has played thus far this season. I really do think it's great that he's trying to step it up and take charge on offense, even considering the fact that he has been in a slump of sorts for awhile. But I think that, a lot of times, when he drives, he has absolutely no control over his body, which has led to a lot of charge calls (which, since I have seen many of those calls in person, I can say have been correct for the most part). I think it's great that he wants to run the ball, and that may be more his style than the more slow-paced Princeton offense, but he can't just plow through the defender, because unless the refs are lenient, he's going to get called for the charge if his body is out of control.
Also, I would imagine that he has been frustrated that his outside shot hasn't been falling (up until today, that is), but that doesn't mean that he needs to take every three that he gets a look at. There are four other players on the court, and taking misguided threes isn't a complaint I have just about Chris- I could name several players who are constantly jacking up unnecessary threes. But I do feel like, when Chris was struggling shootingwise in previous games, he tried to force it a little bit more. If your shot isn't working, you get the ball to someone who is shooting well, or you feed the ball inside to Julian or Greg for a higher percentage shot.
Again, I would just like to say that Chris played an incredible game today, but I think that he has to have a little bit more control and use his judgment when driving.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 23, 2009 20:59:04 GMT -5
Chris had a really fantastic game today, which the box score obviously shows, but I have noticed a few things about how he has played thus far this season. I really do think it's great that he's trying to step it up and take charge on offense, even considering the fact that he has been in a slump of sorts for awhile. But I think that, a lot of times, when he drives, he has absolutely no control over his body, which has led to a lot of charge calls (which, since I have seen many of those calls in person, I can say have been correct for the most part). I think it's great that he wants to run the ball, and that may be more his style than the more slow-paced Princeton offense, but he can't just plow through the defender, because unless the refs are lenient, he's going to get called for the charge if his body is out of control. Also, I would imagine that he has been frustrated that his outside shot hasn't been falling (up until today, that is), but that doesn't mean that he needs to take every three that he gets a look at. There are four other players on the court, and taking misguided threes isn't a complaint I have just about Chris- I could name several players who are constantly jacking up unnecessary threes. But I do feel like, when Chris was struggling shootingwise in previous games, he tried to force it a little bit more. If your shot isn't working, you get the ball to someone who is shooting well, or you feed the ball inside to Julian or Greg for a higher percentage shot. Again, I would just like to say that Chris played an incredible game today, but I think that he has to have a little bit more control and use his judgment when driving. I do not think I could disagree more with a post than I do with this one. I think some of the things you said about Chris being out of control and forcing things this year would have been true 8 months ago, but in games this year Chris really hasn't been out of control or forced things as much. Actually I have seen him do the opposite. When things haven't been working for him on offense he has tried to get others involved and stopped looking for his shot. Does that mean everything he tries to do works out or is always the best decision? No, but a lot of his mistakes and turnovers this year haven't come from being out of control or forcing things. Mostly his struggles have come from sloppiness, whether in the form of sloppiness or not finishing when he can, but hes been a lot more under control this year than in the past. Sure he has his moments of being out of control which leads to some offensive fouls, but who doesn't? Also as long as the three pointer is open, and your a three point shooter, you take it. Period. Sorry but I haven't seen anyone taking "misguided" threes this year, or atleast to the point where its a problem. Also, I said the beginning of this thread and I will say it again now threads like this show why this board is laughable. This board would be considering putting up a monument if Monroe went for 34 pts, 6 steals and 6 assists. If Jason did it you people would be ready to rename the team after him. Chris does it, and while there is a lot of praise for him, its no where near the amount any other player would get. While an off game makes people contimplate why he got a scholarship over the "great" Scottie Reynolds. Its ridiculous.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 23, 2009 22:35:32 GMT -5
Ditto, Sleepy.
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Post by dense on Dec 23, 2009 22:56:30 GMT -5
Also as long as the three pointer is open, and your a three point shooter, you take it. Period. Sorry but I haven't seen anyone taking "misguided" threes this year, or atleast to the point where its a problem. THIS!!! I see in the chat room and on here people talking about "too many threes" I do not believe in that unless you are taking those shots without moving the ball and/or they are contested. We take good shots for the most part, more than any other team in the country really. I think i can count on one hand the amount of "bad 3's" taken this year. if you are open and happen to be behind the arc and in the flow of reversing the ball from one side to the other then take the shot and for me this goes for everyone including Henry, Julian and Jerelle. That last statement I know won't be loved by anyone.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 23, 2009 23:01:13 GMT -5
Dense makes a fair point even to the end, but the problem I have is not so much "too many 3's" as not knowing when you need/want a 2 instead. The team still has a long way to go IMO in terms of thinking through the game and understanding what to do and how to react when a team tries to take us out of our system/rhythm.
ODU was a textbook example, and they had the athletes and rigor to execute their gameplan, and we waited until 3 minutes left to go to put in a press and pressure defense that should have been there in the first half.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 23, 2009 23:07:02 GMT -5
I'll say this again: People can say what they want, but Chris, in my mind, is the most talented point guard in the big east.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Dec 23, 2009 23:30:26 GMT -5
hoyasaxa10 your post is simply false and because of that it has no place on this board. please give me at least three examples of chris getting called for a charge driving into the lane (not on a fastbreak) THIS YEAR and ill completely believe you. and i wouldnt say that his outside shot wasnt falling till this game, even today he was cold in the first half until he went 2-6. your post makes me think that you havent seen a single game this year actually...
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Post by ScreamingHoya on Dec 24, 2009 0:16:59 GMT -5
I do not think I could disagree more with a post than I do with this one. I think some of the things you said about Chris being out of control and forcing things this year would have been true 8 months ago, but in games this year Chris really hasn't been out of control or forced things as much. I'm not gonna say that he's as out of control as he was last year, but yes, of course Chris is still out of control a lot of the time. I know this because more than once today I screamed "Chris, control yourself!" from section 100. I don't think it's out of control in the sense of picking up charge calls though- it's more that his aggressiveness pushes him to often do silly things like seeing three defenders in front of him on a fast break and trying to split them or get some sort of foul call while throwing up a ridiculous shot when he should either dump it off or slow down, back out and set up the offense. I think he did that four or five times today. There were also the two times today when he tried to fire a full court pass and had it end up in the lap of someone in row Q. It stems from aggressiveness- maybe it's a good thing and for every one time he throws the ball into the stands or runs into a brick wall, he scores ten or twelve points to offset it. But it does drive me crazy.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 24, 2009 0:49:16 GMT -5
I do not think I could disagree more with a post than I do with this one. I think some of the things you said about Chris being out of control and forcing things this year would have been true 8 months ago, but in games this year Chris really hasn't been out of control or forced things as much. I'm not gonna say that he's as out of control as he was last year, but yes, of course Chris is still out of control a lot of the time. I know this because more than once today I screamed "Chris, control yourself!" from section 100. I don't think it's out of control in the sense of picking up charge calls though- it's more that his aggressiveness pushes him to often do silly things like seeing three defenders in front of him on a fast break and trying to split them or get some sort of foul call while throwing up a ridiculous shot when he should either dump it off or slow down, back out and set up the offense. I think he did that four or five times today. There were also the two times today when he tried to fire a full court pass and had it end up in the lap of someone in row Q. It stems from aggressiveness- maybe it's a good thing and for every one time he throws the ball into the stands or runs into a brick wall, he scores ten or twelve points to offset it. But it does drive me crazy. Hes out of control a lot of the time because more than once today you screamed at him to control himself? Thats your evidence? Ever think that maybe just maybe you aren't the end all be all in determaining whether players are in control of themselves? Just because you think a shot is a bad shot and a player can't do a certain thing, doesn't mean its true. I think the majority of the time people on this board think Chris is "out of control driving into three people" (which i haven't seen once this year,btw) he probably actually knows what hes doing and knows hes going to get fouled or open up a passing lane. Most of his turnovers this year have either come from sloppiness or not being agressive enough and making a more passive decision( as he is trying to make a transition as a player). It just comes down to people on he not trusting him. His coach seems to trust his decision making skills, his teamates seems to trust his decision making skills, and he seems to trust himself, so I think I will go with them over the posters on here who cry out of control anytime he drives into a lane with defenders.
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Post by dense on Dec 24, 2009 1:00:19 GMT -5
Ive learned to deal with it in the fact that I'd rather aggressive Chris Wright then a passive one. So if thats the result, I'll take it. He drives into a pack thinking he can get a call and sometimes he doesn't, but i'd rather that then the direct opposite of not trying to use the offense as a framework to create your own chances and hoping that you can create them, i think his assertiveness of late is good. People trashed him for his Butler and Washington perfomaces saying he is keeping us from blowing teams out because he doesnt value the ball. Those naysayers aren't looking big picture in my opinion. This team needs to play more like it did today and not necessarily copy the Final 4 team, different people, different personal. I think that team was way better defensively and could get a stop or multiple stops easily. this team is better offensively than any team we have had at Georgetown durning Jt3's tenure in the versatility of what the parts can do especially off the bounce.
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Post by Giannicolus Jones on Dec 24, 2009 9:08:26 GMT -5
Wow, the ESPN recap says it was the first 30 point game by a Hoya since Mike Sweetney did it in January 2003. Almost 7 years - I didn't realize that.. That's not right, though. Jeff had 30 in the Big East Tournament game against ND, and Gerald Riley hit over 34 after big Mike.
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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 24, 2009 13:21:12 GMT -5
Sleepy says:
First of all, do you have the slightest idea whether the coach or the team trusts Chris? Maybe they do. Or maybe, 3 or 4 times a game, they think "Dammit, why does he do that?" Your evidence seems pretty weak, considering it's basically just unsubstantiated mind-reading.
Second, you say that he knows he'll get fouled OR OPEN UP PASSING LANES. When is the last time you saw Chris drive to the hoop and then kick the ball out, or lay it off to someone else? I don't think I've ever seen him use a passing lane opened up by one of his insane drives.
That's not to say he's always out of control. But it's very obvious when his charging towards the rim is a good decision and when it's not.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 24, 2009 13:29:40 GMT -5
Chris drove and dished at least three times in the Harvard game that I can remember. It may have been more.
If you can't remember that, strummer, either you weren't watching or your expectations of Chris are clouding your memory.
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