sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Dec 19, 2009 21:26:16 GMT -5
When is someone going to mention the disaster that JC was out there tonight. clearly he has no lateral movement and was abused consistently by every one he attempted to defend. The overplays by Monroe where consistently turned into easy scoring opps for ODU.Why we barely attacked the rim with our gaurds in the second half is beyond me. I thought freeman could have penetrated almost at will.
And if your really going to complain about Chris when he had more assists than the whole team combined, and 3 turnovers, than your never going to be happy.
And our problem tonight was NOT Monroe not getting enough touches, imo, it was the opposite. I think hes a great player, but we force it into him too much, and relay on him when we have other players that can be just as effective.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Dec 19, 2009 21:29:24 GMT -5
Sleepy... I thought that about Freeman as well. He was busting his butt to post up cuz I think he felt the same way and he was not hitting from 3. I like that he changed up his play to adjust to what was working for him.
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Dec 19, 2009 21:29:44 GMT -5
What spurs that is the conclusion that every time we lose a game, there are "severe" problems. Look you're right that last year we showed a "unparalleled" inability to make adjustments. Maybe it's blind optimism, but I think most of us that get frustrated with these posts are of the mindset that we're going to treat last year as a one off based on youth, inexperience, chemistry, transfers, et al. So therefore, because we play one bad game today, we're not going to conclude we're making all the same mistakes as last year and proclaim that the system is broken. I would argue the results so far this year show we are much improved in execution, mentality, and talent. But the reason people jump on you for your comments, is they just seem to be too fatalistic for what we've actually seen on the court this year.
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Post by hoya10 on Dec 19, 2009 21:30:47 GMT -5
Of course you handle and pass in every offense. But whatever we were bringing to offensive sets tonight consistently put us in tough spots. This wasn't even the 'Princeton Offense'. It was the lack of movement anywhere underneath, or even around the perimeter, that has characterized most Hoyas losses that I have witnessed over the past 5 seasons.
I also agree that it can be marked down as a 'bad team loss.' That was part of failing to effectively run an offense that opened things up and making turnovers less of an obvious conclusion possession after possession.
Harvard will be an interesting game to watch. I expect that we'll turn things around, but it will bode poorly for the upcoming stretch of games if we don't change things up
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Dec 19, 2009 21:37:08 GMT -5
chep couldn't agree with you more. Its still the middle of December. The only thing that i don't like about this team is an over reliance on monroe and when that sputters a bit we are a little lost offesively. a large % of our turnovers are from forcing the ball into greg or waiting for him to do something with it. Its a fine line but its something thats been going on all season.
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Dec 19, 2009 21:47:09 GMT -5
Sleepy, I agree with you about overreliance on Greg. I think we have emphasized, and rightfully so, getting the ball into the post. But it has made us, at times, stagnant when that's not working. I like that Greg stepped out and hit 2 3's, it'll help if he's more diversified. But I also wouldn't mind Austin being more aggressive. He seems to be back in his groove, and he did a good job of finding ways to score today even though he was off from 3. If he gets more looks, I think we'll be fine with Greg and him as options 1 and 2, Chris attacking the basket from time to time, and Jason and Julian getting TO and junk points respectively.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Dec 19, 2009 22:01:49 GMT -5
Keep going to the basket chris. You are the point guard on the team. Demand the ball and lead the team young fella. Simple as that. People on this board actually think Greg has the mental makeup to lead this team. You and I know you are the person that needs to lead this team
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 19, 2009 23:13:41 GMT -5
Keep going to the basket chris. You are the point guard on the team. Demand the ball and lead the team young fella. Simple as that. People on this board actually think Greg has the mental makeup to lead this team. You and I know you are the person that needs to lead this team agreed. he needs to be the leader, but going 0 for 6 from the field before finally take it hard to the basket and scoring his first bucket with 3 minutes left in the game is rather poor leadership from a player many thought would be our leading scorer this year.
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hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on Dec 20, 2009 12:13:25 GMT -5
Sleepy, I agree with you about overreliance on Greg. I think we have emphasized, and rightfully so, getting the ball into the post. But it has made us, at times, stagnant when that's not working. I like that Greg stepped out and hit 2 3's, it'll help if he's more diversified. But I also wouldn't mind Austin being more aggressive. He seems to be back in his groove, and he did a good job of finding ways to score today even though he was off from 3. If he gets more looks, I think we'll be fine with Greg and him as options 1 and 2, Chris attacking the basket from time to time, and Jason and Julian getting TO and junk points respectively. I agree with a lot of this, regarding Greg, Austin and Chris. I think both Jason and Julian can contribute more than TO and junk points. Jason's 3 point shooting won't be on every game, but when it is, we'll be more than fine. Julian low with Greg high in high-low sets is developing, I hope, into a major weapon.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Dec 20, 2009 13:27:45 GMT -5
We need Chris Wright. It's as simple as that. He is easily our best ballhandler and penetrator.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 20, 2009 13:34:35 GMT -5
The stupid turnovers need to stop. It's not even the (less than this board thinks) times that he over-penetrates. It's the lazy pass across the top. It's 1-2 times a game for him and if he stops that, he'll be great.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 21, 2009 11:37:00 GMT -5
I agree, I can live with an occassional mistake from getting in too deep and getting caught up, but the casual passes that get picked off, usually for fast breaks the other way, make me grind my teeth. Austin seems to do this about once a game also. Our offense requires us to value the ball, and it kills us when we don't.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 21, 2009 12:12:49 GMT -5
My concern about Chris is the outside shooting. I recall that he was a much better shooter last year, but perhaps time has played games with my memory.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 21, 2009 12:49:13 GMT -5
Wright and Vaughn were the best players on the court tonight, but even they had bad moments. The team was totally unfocused on offense and it was a TEAM problem, not just one player. I didn't see the game, but the fact that a player with 5 TOs was the best player for our team explains a lot.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 21, 2009 13:11:16 GMT -5
Daytona seems to have a pretty good handle on Chris' game...I am interested in hearing his take.
About a year ago there was a lot of chatter on this site about how Chris was the 2nd best point guard in the BE behind only Flynn. I didn't see it then and I don't see it now.
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Post by bmartin on Dec 21, 2009 13:50:34 GMT -5
I think the pressure Chris feels to run the team and fix it when things are not going well is affecting his play. He needs to be able to "just play" in JTIII/Carril speak. I remember Jeff Green and Jonathan Wallace struggling with their shooting and turnovers when they had to take on the responsibility of being the veterans expected to help other guys figure it out. I also think it would help Wright to sit more to rest and gather himself. I thimk that Wallace often played his best when he returned to the floor after sitting for a few minutes in the middle of each half. He seemed to come back in knowing exactly what to do without hesitation.
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Post by RDF on Dec 21, 2009 13:58:29 GMT -5
I agree, I can live with an occassional mistake from getting in too deep and getting caught up, but the casual passes that get picked off, usually for fast breaks the other way, make me grind my teeth. Austin seems to do this about once a game also. Our offense requires us to value the ball, and it kills us when we don't. Great point Frazier. It's not the turnovers as much as the TYPE of turnovers that get me ticked. Now I didn't see this past game--but the games I've seen you'll have the occasional bad turnover--but when it's a simple play and guys are being lazy by: 1. Telegraphing the pass 2. Not being strong with the ball 3. Not helping passer by coming to the ball That is frustrating. If you can see what a player is thinking--like an extra pass attempt to open teammate and it's just not executed correctly-that is not a problem but when you are responsible for entire team--as PG is--you've got to value the ball and understand the responsibility/role of your position. That being said--I applaud Chris Wright for his transition to the point guard role--which he's doing and it's evident he's trying to do. Not easy but he's doing that for betterment of team. Just needs to clean it up and be stronger with ball and cut the careless turnovers down. One other thing--FREE VEE!!! ;D
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Post by bigelephant on Dec 21, 2009 14:23:43 GMT -5
I like Chris Wright
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Post by the_way on Dec 21, 2009 14:33:32 GMT -5
Chris's heart is in the right place.
His basketball skill-set is not in this offense.
What Chris is good at, flies in the face of this offense.
He is a square peg in a round hole, and is trying his best to transition and become something he isn't accustom to. Imagine Greg Monroe trying being in JT2's offense.
Chris is frustrated and trying his hardest. Its growing pains for him.
He'll be okay. He is a strong young man, and is trying his hardest for the team.
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Post by bigelephant on Dec 21, 2009 15:33:20 GMT -5
Now I like him even more!
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