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Post by TC on Mar 4, 2009 22:56:42 GMT -5
Like Crean? I didn't realize he's been at Indiana 5 years. As for the money, yeah we still need it. We're riding on JTIII's name right now. He is John Thompson's son. I know that doesn't change the recruiting dynamics or anything. I mean, look at Bobby Gonzalez who was on everyone's short list for us. He's killing it at the Hall because of Xs and Os. I'm sorry but when was Tom Crean's dad Coach at Marquette for 20+ years establishing a basketball legacy? I must have missed it. The whole reason that JT3 was hired was that he was "family". I didn't agree with it then, but it has worked out in spades and I was wrong. Calling him a hired gun to suit your argument is disrespectful. |
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Post by Bay99 on Mar 4, 2009 23:15:56 GMT -5
I mean, look at Bobby Gonzalez who was on everyone's short list for us. He's killing it at the Hall because of Xs and Os. Honest question: When you say Bobby Gonzalez is "killing it" at Seton Hall do you mean in a good way or a bad way? (I'm guessing the latter given that he's in year three and has yet to even make the NIT.) |
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 5, 2009 1:10:58 GMT -5
i really wish i could read what myself and others had posted man those were some "fun" times Those were really great - some good laughs looking back on it. Is it possible to pull up the pages from the 24 hours following the Big Monday home UCONN game when Esh opted not to foul? Now that was ugly. |
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Post by theyellofallyells on Mar 5, 2009 10:00:44 GMT -5
again, people who advocate for firing JT3 have no idea what they are talking about. He has proven to be a great recruiter and a good coach and frankly a fantastic role model.
OH MY GOD HOYA FANS, WE HAD 1 MEDIOCRE YEAR WITH A TEAM FULL OF FRESHMAN AND SOPHOMORES....
I have been a fan for 25 years and I hope they NEVER fire jt3....
fire jt3...are you guys out of your friggin minds? do you know how many top tier coaches are out there? NOT MANY...you think we can scoop Izzo or freakin Calipari just like that?
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Post by guru on Mar 5, 2009 10:05:31 GMT -5
Wait, have there really been posts advocating that we fire our coach? I mean, I'm as disappointed as everyone else, and I think JT3 had an off year, but that's insane.
We WILL be back next season - STRONG. And don't count out this season entirely yet - Some of the BET seeding scenarios present some awfully interesting potential situations for our Hoyas to play teams they can beat.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 5, 2009 10:19:21 GMT -5
I mean, look at Bobby Gonzalez who was on everyone's short list for us. He's killing it at the Hall because of Xs and Os. You are a parody of yourself. If by killing it, you mean killing Seton Hall's program, you may be right. He took over a team that had reached the NCAAs 2 of the last 3 years, and has gone 17-34 in the BE without even an NIT appearance. His sideline behavior has been so reprehensible that he has been censured by the BE Commissioner, and suspended from coaching the first game of this season's BE schedule by the school president for his embarrassing behavior. www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/seton_hall_suspends_basketball.htmlAs for JT3 as a hired gun, he didn't even get his current contract until after he took the Hoyas to the final 4. In 2007, after a legitimate Sweet 16 appearance and a Final Four, his salary was comparable to Esherick's...and guess what, he is doing it with the same "facilities," "lack of university support" and "on campus arena" that was your excuse for Esherick's abject failure and would supposedly keep Georgetown's program in purgatory for the rest of our lifetimes. He could have leveraged that Final Four into any job in America, and chose to stay HOME at Georgetown, while your man-crush gives his "pick of the week" on the college sports network in between visits to his brother in jail. |
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Post by guru on Mar 5, 2009 10:24:24 GMT -5
Calling JT3 a "hired gun" is, without a doubt, the STUPIDEST thing that has ever been written on this board.
This guy SAVED Hoya hoops - and it's in his blood.
The Gonzalez comparison is laughable, too. I mean, seriously, are you on drugs?
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Post by Boz on Mar 5, 2009 11:23:39 GMT -5
The Bobby Gonzalez reference has me convinced now that GIGA started this thread on a bet.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 5, 2009 19:03:51 GMT -5
The Crean-JTIII comparison is ludicrous. Until last season, Crean had won exactly ZERO NCAA tournament games both before and after the 2003 dream season when he got lucky with Robert Jackson's one year, Wade's superstardom, Diener's steady hand, and Novak shooting the lights out as a freshmen.
Despite plenty of talent on the team the year before, they lost in the first round to Tulsa in an upset. Following the Final Four season, they went one and done for years.
JTIII went to the Sweet Sixteen, then the Final Four, then went back the next season without the star player and won the Big East regular season championship with a ridiculous 13-3 record, and a run to the BET final. They drew a no. 2 seed in the tournament. Why you continue to be embarrassed by the Davidson game, however, is beyond me. They gave the national champion the toughest game they saw in the entire tournament until the final. Davidson was a top 16, even top 10 team, somehow seeded as a 10 and given the chance to play before a home crowd.
This year, he lost ALL of the leadership and much of the talent from the previous teams, guided his squad to some huge wins, but struggled more than some expected, got unlucky a few times, and generally disappointed everybody. But in the end, it was still a rebuilding year.
Next year will be the test, assuming everyone will be back with another year under the belt. If they continue the meltdown--and then go another four years without an NCAA win, then you can start to make the Crean comparison.
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Post by pws on Mar 5, 2009 19:52:36 GMT -5
While I hate the prevent at the end of games more than anybody, Since JTIII, we have been WAAAY better in close games under his tenure than in esh years and the end of JT2. My main complaint is how we fail to pick up the pace of our offense when we need to get back into a game (such as down 10 with 3 minutes to go), we never seem to run our offense with any urgency. On the whole, while I am disappointed with this season, I never thought i would be sipping cold ones with my buddies in Atlanta before our final four game. We are way better off now than we were during esh era, so I'm gonna give III a pass here. Here's to six in a row!!
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 5, 2009 21:59:13 GMT -5
The Crean-JTIII comparison is ludicrous. Until last season, Crean had won exactly ZERO NCAA tournament games both before and after the 2003 dream season when he got lucky with Robert Jackson's one year, Wade's superstardom, Diener's steady hand, and Novak shooting the lights out as a freshmen. Despite plenty of talent on the team the year before, they lost in the first round to Tulsa in an upset. Following the Final Four season, they went one and done for years. JTIII went to the Sweet Sixteen, then the Final Four, then went back the next season without the star player and won the Big East regular season championship with a ridiculous 13-3 record, and a run to the BET final. They drew a no. 2 seed in the tournament. Why you continue to be embarrassed by the Davidson game, however, is beyond me. They gave the national champion the toughest game they saw in the entire tournament until the final. Davidson was a top 16, even top 10 team, somehow seeded as a 10 and given the chance to play before a home crowd. This year, he lost ALL of the leadership and much of the talent from the previous teams, guided his squad to some huge wins, but struggled more than some expected, got unlucky a few times, and generally disappointed everybody. But in the end, it was still a rebuilding year. Next year will be the test, assuming everyone will be back with another year under the belt. If they continue the meltdown--and then go another four years without an NCAA win, then you can start to make the Crean comparison. Brilliant. |
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Post by mapei on Mar 5, 2009 22:41:34 GMT -5
I agree with some of the criticism, especially the lack of rebounding. I'm also not sure we have all the talent that most people seem to think we do. I know 3 guys were McD's players, but a lot of our opponents have big-time recruits, too. It concerns me that two solid reserves bailed out after last season.
But, that said, I disagree with most of the criticism. I'm not going to declare JT3 the best coach in America or even necessarily the best possible for Georgetown, but he has proven to be very, very good (a lot better than I expected, actually - I thought we needed to break from the JTjr legacy) and has represented the University well, something I actually care more about than the Ws and Ls.
Last year was a terrific year. Yeah, we lost in the BET final and then to Davidson. But, as others have pointed out, 13-3 is a *great* conference record and Davidson was simply a better team than we were, with the hottest player in the country. The year before was the best Hoya team in a very long time, maybe close to 20 years. And those players, to a man, represented the University well. I can't say that about some of JTjr's players.
The year before we were clearly a team on the rise.
So overall I think JT3 has been pretty darn good. Some issues manifested themselves this year and need to be fixed. But I'm not ready to say the problems are systemic. The evidence is to the contrary.
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