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Post by fsohoya on Feb 24, 2009 15:37:55 GMT -5
I have no particular love of the "we are" chant, but think it is way off base to scold the students for doing it when we were losing handily. The whole point of chanting is to "cheer" the team and fans, and when else is that more valuable than when we are losing?
I suppose the reason I am so adamant about all of this is that our crowds generally stink, and far too many "fans" have no idea what being a real fan entails. It's not sitting on your hands and only getting loud to boo, but being supportive especially when the team needs it. Yes, you can be critical when we're doing poorly, but we seem to have no problem taking care of that. It's in actually being supportive that we seem hopelessly deficient.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 24, 2009 16:12:02 GMT -5
I suppose the reason I am so adamant about all of this is that our crowds generally stink, and far too many "fans" have no idea what being a real fan entails. It's not sitting on your hands and only getting loud to boo, but being supportive especially when the team needs it. Yes, you can be critical when we're doing poorly, but we seem to have no problem taking care of that. It's in actually being supportive that we seem hopelessly deficient. Amen. Right now it's really not what you cheer as long as you are doing it and not even the students are for the most part. I'm as frustrated as anyone else but I've been on my feet every game no matter what and students have no excuse.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 24, 2009 16:50:13 GMT -5
As a graduate of the College in '93 and medical school in '97 I am saddened by the students' profanity toward the referees. Is there much of a difference between a verbal assault and the verbal/physical assault the gtown students took at the Carrier Dome? Both relegate these "students" to something neither University community would be proud of.
"We are Georgetown" This cheer evokes spirit and support for a team that may struggle or a team that may dominate. Regardless of when it is used there is no arrogance to this cheer. The Georgetown community is proud of all facets of our University. We are proud of the place our University has, has had, or continues to have post graduation in our lives.
Eric, Bravo! Thank you from an alumnus. You are down there on the floor with pride representing our University. Accept constructive criticism but in no way listen to the "critics" who sit and type away in this forum that our love for all things Georgetown should be quieted in any way.
We called into question the maturity of our players. Maybe we should call into question the maturity of some of the "students" and "hoyasaxa authors."
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Post by henlehoya on Feb 24, 2009 16:59:38 GMT -5
The two sides on this thread are pretty illustrative of the people who are fans of winning teams and those who are even happier fans when their teams win.
You know what's supremely, pick-a-spot-on-the-wall and stare at it embarrassing? "WE ARE GEORGETOWN" cheers at an otherwise silent XL Center at the end of our thrashing win against UConn. And seeing the "Husky Hardcore" filter out with five to play. *That* is embarrassing.
"Taking the crowd out of it" is a really interesting concept in sports but I would give up Many Important Material Things in my life for us not to be the kind that is ever "taken out of it."
Maybe some Louisville fans had a little laugh at our expense. But a great number near us were getting visibly agitated at us refusing to shut-up and countering every one of their cheers with our own.
Feeling the air go out of the opposing team and fans is actually a very satisfying thing. And this is what every visiting fan hopes for, right? deleted The entire Verizon Center is our home court and we should have no problem with reminding everyone of that for forty minutes.
Thanks to Eric and all the fans in the lower bowl who were more animated than usual yesterday.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 24, 2009 16:59:45 GMT -5
As a graduate of the College in '93 and medical school in '97 I am saddened by the students' profanity toward the referees. Is there much of a difference between a verbal assault and the verbal/physical assault the gtown students took at the Carrier Dome? Both relegate these "students" to something neither University community would be proud of. Both are bad. The behavior of the Cuse fans was worse. One was classless and immature, but ultimately harmless. The other was classless, immature and dangerous to the physical well being of others (and some Gtown fans were injured, though thankfully not seriously, by the Cuse fans garbage barrage)
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Post by vcjack on Feb 24, 2009 17:01:09 GMT -5
"Is there much of a difference between a verbal assault and the verbal/physical assault the gtown students took at the Carrier Dome"
Nope, none whatsoever. Words hurt much more than glass.
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Post by fsohoya on Feb 24, 2009 17:06:38 GMT -5
Great points, henlehoya!
Frankly, from an atmosphere standpoint, if we could get all the truly supportive fans concerntrated in one spot I'd gladly shoo out of Verizon the 80 percent of our fans who sit on their hands. I know I'd have more fun than I do now, having to put up with people looking at me funny or telling me to sit down so they can see the game they clearly don't care about.
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Post by The Stig on Feb 24, 2009 18:13:47 GMT -5
Is there much of a difference between a verbal assault and the verbal/physical assault the gtown students took at the Carrier Dome? First off, as I posted above, I think the chants at the refs last night were unacceptable. That said, as somebody who was present at both games, I think it's outrageous to equate those with what happened in the Dome 10 days ago. Last night it was less than half the students on one side of the arena using one obscene chant. It only happened once, and it ended pretty quickly. At the Dome, the Cuse student section would turn towards us and chant "F*** the Hoyas" during almost every break in the action. They were throwing stuff at us for over an hour, and some of the stuff they threw could have caused physical injury. Both incidents were bad. But one of them was clearly worse.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Feb 24, 2009 18:18:24 GMT -5
For me, chanting WE ARE GEORGETOWN means "hey look, opposing team and fans, this is the character and action of our school." It just feels weird to do it when we're losing. But I see what other posters are saying about it's meaning being more geared toward pride and support.
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Post by moe09 on Feb 24, 2009 18:37:34 GMT -5
"We are Georgetown" This cheer evokes spirit and support for a team that may struggle or a team that may dominate. Regardless of when it is used there is no arrogance to this cheer. The Georgetown community is proud of all facets of our University. We are proud of the place our University has, has had, or continues to have post graduation in our lives. I completely agree. There is no arrogance to this chant. It simply reaffirms the Georgetown identity, something we all take great pride in. When we are down 16 or 50, I think this chant is just as appropriate as when we are winning by a ton. Those are exactly the types of times we need to remind the guys who we are, that we're always behind them, that we're proud, and that we never give up. If you don't want to cheer "We are Georgetown" at any point during the game it would seem to me that you are ashamed of identifying with Georgetown, and I don't think that's acceptable from the point of view of being a fan. Would you rather we chant "We are Louisville"? Saying the "We are Georgetown" chant is inappropriate when we're down is foolish. If the other teams' fans want to snicker, let them. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Do you take off your Georgetown shirt when we start losing by 16? No. I didn't think so. Or maybe some of you on here do...
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 24, 2009 18:45:23 GMT -5
I really like the chant, but I agree with those who say it seems out of place when we're getting blown out. I don't think it should be reserved only for the last couple minutes of a win, but I don't think we should be breaking it out when we're down double digits with only a couple minutes left.
For all the "don't give up" crowd: there are other things to chant to show that you're still in it. I think that the "We Are Georgetown" chant is a bit arrogant. And that's fine once in a while. But not when we're getting pasted at home.
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 24, 2009 19:07:38 GMT -5
No One in the Big East Have Swagga Like Us I feel like anyone reading this thread should have the Pep Band performing the Alma Mater playing in the background on their computer.
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Post by vcjack on Feb 24, 2009 19:12:17 GMT -5
No One in the Big East Have Swagga Like Us . Its still true, no one has the same self angst - soul crushing swagga that we do.
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Post by Bando on Feb 24, 2009 19:34:32 GMT -5
"We are Georgetown" This cheer evokes spirit and support for a team that may struggle or a team that may dominate. Regardless of when it is used there is no arrogance to this cheer. The Georgetown community is proud of all facets of our University. We are proud of the place our University has, has had, or continues to have post graduation in our lives. I completely agree. There is no arrogance to this chant. It simply reaffirms the Georgetown identity, something we all take great pride in. When we are down 16 or 50, I think this chant is just as appropriate as when we are winning by a ton. Those are exactly the types of times we need to remind the guys who we are, that we're always behind them, that we're proud, and that we never give up. If you don't want to cheer "We are Georgetown" at any point during the game it would seem to me that you are ashamed of identifying with Georgetown, and I don't think that's acceptable from the point of view of being a fan. Would you rather we chant "We are Louisville"? Saying the "We are Georgetown" chant is inappropriate when we're down is foolish. If the other teams' fans want to snicker, let them. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Do you take off your Georgetown shirt when we start losing by 16? No. I didn't think so. Or maybe some of you on here do... ...And here comes the fan police. Can we not have a discussion here without breaking out "you'd agree with me if you were are real fan"?
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Post by jkhoya12 on Feb 24, 2009 22:54:36 GMT -5
Ok...to address this, at the time of the game I can understand students' frustrations being let out, but I wholeheartedly agree about it being a disgrace to us. However, with regards to the heckling the refs on the way out, I will not apologize for that as I was one of those people. Washingtonhoya, what you have to realize is that what I was talking to the ref about had nothing to do with blown calls during the game or anything like that: it was about the fact that a referee had the nerve to laugh after making a controversial call again against us on our home court for maybe the 1000th time this season. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of us getting no respect, and since I don't matter to the general well being of the team I have no problem going out of my way to give a ref an earful for his disgraceful performance on my court. Not to mention, refs get an earful of many words(some bad) at every arena in the country, this doesn't disgrace our school and I would never try to do anything to disgrace Georgetown.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Feb 24, 2009 23:39:43 GMT -5
Remember hearing annoying Eagles fans (like me) at Rhino's singing 'Fly, Eagles, Fly' after touchdowns?
To me that's the 'We Are Georgetown' chant. Just my personal preference that we save it for touchdowns, so to speak.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Feb 24, 2009 23:57:01 GMT -5
If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Do you take off your Georgetown shirt when we start losing by 16? No. I didn't think so. Or maybe some of you on here do... Wow, were you watching me at the game? I did, in fact, get out of the kitchen when it was too hot, 'cause we have a kitchen right there in Section 121, and when the other team's fans get loud that place BAKES! And I'm ALSO that dude at the Booth who gets half naked every time we go down 16 (but not 15, 'cause that's just crazy talk). Sure it's a little chilly, but I wouldn't want anyone to think that, you now, I actually SUPPORT the team when it's losing. That's for "real" fans. Thanks for playing the "who's got a bigger fanship" game, you've been a great contestant. Now have a xanax and take your nap.
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Post by njhoya06 on Feb 25, 2009 22:21:13 GMT -5
Question for anyone who was watching our game on TV and also happens to be watching this Duke-MD game on ESPN. Was our "F you refs" anywhere near as loud as Maryland's "F you Singler" chant just was? Because that was some cringeworthy stuff.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 26, 2009 10:26:06 GMT -5
Question for anyone who was watching our game on TV and also happens to be watching this Duke-MD game on ESPN. Was our "F you refs" anywhere near as loud as Maryland's "F you Singler" chant just was? Because that was some cringeworthy stuff. I was actually at the Duke-UMD game last night, and the answer is no, nowhere near as loud. For us, it was like 20-30 kids chanting it. For UMD, it was a good part of their student section.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 26, 2009 10:30:28 GMT -5
Simple solution: how about the refs be accountable for once and call a good game? You figure after the first 3-4 times the entire crowd booed (and this is not the norm for a Verizon Center crowd that tends not to get on officials the same way other places do), they would get the hint, no? They were an embarrassment during the Marquette game, and for much of the 2nd half against L'ville. I'm with JK here, I am also sick and tired of never getting the calls at home like so many other top team routinely do. It always seems like other guys have "reputation guys" who get all the calls even when they don't always deserve them. Why haven't guys like Wright and Monroe gotten them? It still continues to baffle me.
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