Bando
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Post by Bando on Feb 24, 2009 3:52:46 GMT -5
Dear students:
This cheer is solely for when we are under 4 minutes and either a) winning or b)within striking distance of winning. It is most certainly not for when we are down 16 in the first half. The only thing such a cheer reminds the opponent is that we shouldn't be beaten so easily.
In conclusion, easy with the "We are Georgetown" cheer. Especially when we're freaking down!!!!!!!
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Post by ericcusimano on Feb 24, 2009 5:43:58 GMT -5
Bando,
I largely agree with you that the cheer is not something that should be done ad nauseum; however, there is no rule book on cheers, and as one of our two resident male cheerleaders, I am the one responsible for beginning a number of those We Are Georgetown chants, and under tonight's circumstances I can understand your complaint.
With that said, down 16 or down 40 we are always Georgetown. That does not necessitate winning or leading or even playing well for that matter because at times even we may forget and need reminding. I realize that in reality We Are Georgetown is only three words that numerous other colleges use with their own names, but for Coach Thompson, he has made a point since day one of restoring a meaning behind those three words, and in my time short time here I have tried my best not only to understand that but to carry it through to others in my respective role. In my opinion We Are Georgetown is not under 4 with a lead or shot at it, We Are Georgetown is down, up, or whatever the score, shots not falling or up by 30, getting beat off the boards or dominating the paint; that is provided the team shows up and plays their asses off regardless the circumstance we are Georgetown.
Hoya Saxa,
Eric Cusimano
Georgetown University Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service '10 Jesuit High School '06
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 24, 2009 7:14:20 GMT -5
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Post by mapei on Feb 24, 2009 8:47:40 GMT -5
Eric, thanks so much for the passion you bring to cheering for the Hoyas. It is noticed and much appreciated, and I'm glad to have an occasion to say so. You guys add a lot to the atmosphere of the game.
That said, I think elements of the cheering were off last night like everything else. What I particularly noticed was the two ends of the court being out of sync for much of the night, either pursuing different cheers altogether or pursuing them in a different rhythm. It's understandable that it happens sometimes, but I noticed it more last night than previously.
BTW, on principle I agree with Dan about the vulgarity. But last night I was so frustrated that I have to confess that it sort of helped.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 24, 2009 8:58:15 GMT -5
BTW, on principle I agree with Dan about the vulgarity. But last night I was so frustrated that I have to confess that it sort of helped. Agreed. Normally I am against chanting profanity in all cases. But I feel like the frustration of the entire year brought that one out. Is it good? No. But do I understand it? Yes. And while "We are Georgetown" is best used at the end of the game as a victory cheer, I feel like it can be used at many other times as well.
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Post by fsohoya on Feb 24, 2009 9:05:20 GMT -5
I don't think we ever need to chant obscenities, though the reffing was poor. More importantly, I disagree wholeheartedly with Bando. It is when we are playing poorly that we especially need to show pride and enthusiasm. I mean, by the rationale behind not doing "we are Georgetown" when losing, we ought to just let opposing fans do their cheers, right? I hope we never get so lifeless that we'd do that. And no matter what the score, I'd sure as heck rather be Georgetown than Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Duke, or any other school in D-1 hoops!
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 24, 2009 9:15:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry, the student session chanting vulgarities at the refs is a total embarrassment to the school and its alumni. That drops us to the level of other places we constantly rail about here. Completely classless IMO. Individuals doing it is one thing, but when it gets concerted enough to get called out in the Washington Post it's over the line.
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Post by Boz on Feb 24, 2009 9:16:17 GMT -5
I don't think Bando's point was that the crowd shouldn't be cheering when the team is down, just that that particular cheer is not apprpropriate when down by 16 at home.
I see his point, though I don't feel too strongly about it one way or another.
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Post by fsohoya on Feb 24, 2009 9:18:56 GMT -5
I think that that's a perfect time for that cheer -- pride no matter what is happening for a fleeting time in a single game.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 24, 2009 9:52:18 GMT -5
Look, it's clear that we lost a lot of senior leadership with graduation last year, as well as some unexpected transfers. The young rooters just haven't had enough experience, and have been desperate for some leadership. I believe next year will be an entirely different story, and we could contend for Big East fans of the year.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 24, 2009 9:53:15 GMT -5
Next year could be a whole 'nother story.
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Post by henlehoya on Feb 24, 2009 9:59:16 GMT -5
Next year could be a whole 'nother story. Yeah, but Jessie won't be here
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Post by GUHoya07 on Feb 24, 2009 10:00:08 GMT -5
Addressing the original point, I think the We Are Georgetown cheer should be used at least a few times in both halves of the game. Sure, it feels better and is more powerful when we're winning, but I think we should show pride in who we are at all times.
I think its one of our better cheers, its easy for both sides of the student section to be coordinated on, and it mixes things up from the regular cheers. In general Im a fan of using the call and response cheers more.
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Post by washingtonhoya on Feb 24, 2009 10:18:37 GMT -5
I'm sorry, the student session chanting vulgarities at the refs is a total embarrassment to the school and its alumni. That drops us to the level of other places we constantly rail about here. Completely classless IMO. Individuals doing it is one thing, but when it gets concerted enough to get called out in the Washington Post it's over the line. I agree, although I hadn't heard that chant during the game. Not sure where Mike Wise was sitting, but it must have been coming from the non-band side. On the band side, there were probably 8-10 fans who decided to crowd around to berate the refs after the game, which is not only classless but stupid. Unless you were looking for the refs to pull a high school ref power trip and assess 8 technicals to the Louisville bench, they weren't the reason we lost.
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Post by The Stig on Feb 24, 2009 10:21:53 GMT -5
The obscenities at the refs were disappointing and shouldn't be repeated. Like everything else Georgetown related last night, the student section turned in a pretty lousy performance.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 24, 2009 10:25:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry, the student session chanting vulgarities at the refs is a total embarrassment to the school and its alumni. That drops us to the level of other places we constantly rail about here. Completely classless IMO. Individuals doing it is one thing, but when it gets concerted enough to get called out in the Washington Post it's over the line. I agree w/ your overall point, but from my seat, it looked like PLENTY of alums were giving the refs "the business" for a while, too. And I would bet that not all of it was perfectly clean language. Embarrassment to the school, yes. But alums might not be innocent bystanders. As a side note, a friend of mine said that he saw Joe Lunardi yelling at the refs.
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Post by fsohoya on Feb 24, 2009 10:42:34 GMT -5
Can we just go ahead and ban choorah right now.
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Post by Bando on Feb 24, 2009 10:47:21 GMT -5
I don't think Bando's point was that the crowd shouldn't be cheering when the team is down, just that that particular cheer is not apprpropriate when down by 16 at home. I see his point, though I don't feel too strongly about it one way or another. Yes, this. Also, while the cursing is of course horrible, I also felt that the entire arena came very close to booing the Hoyas tonight (there were times when it wasn't exactly clear who was being booed). I personally won't abide booing the team (silence I understand, and in fact encourage).
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Post by centercourt400s on Feb 24, 2009 10:57:54 GMT -5
Well it is obvious that choorah has some major issues... but let us move on.
The We Are... chant could be perceived as arrogant from some perspectives and when viewed that way, doing it when down 16 points looks a little foolish and counterproductive. I think that was the point.
If it was up to me I wouldn't have started it when they did, but it was just a minor footnote to a frustrating evening. No big deal.
The f-you chant was pretty obnoxious and surprising coming from our fans but the booing of the refs was justified and at least showed the crowd was into the game. I too was impressed by the level of support the non-student crowd provided and hope it is a standard we can meet consistently in the future.
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Post by youngjeezy on Feb 24, 2009 11:04:57 GMT -5
I don't think Bando's point was that the crowd shouldn't be cheering when the team is down, just that that particular cheer is not apprpropriate when down by 16 at home. I see his point, though I don't feel too strongly about it one way or another. Yes, this. Also, while the cursing is of course horrible, I also felt that the entire arena came very close to booing the Hoyas tonight (there were times when it wasn't exactly clear who was being booed). I personally won't abide booing the team (silence I understand, and in fact encourage). I can't say for sure that the crowd wasn't booing the team, but from what I remember, the loudest boos exploded early in the second half, when we got (two?) ticky-tack fouls called on us that killed whatever little momentum we had. Seemed like people were booing the refs, but it did die down for a few seconds before picking up again and really letting 'em hear it at the second TV timeout of the second half. Personally, I TOTALLY agree about We Are Georgetown. Great cheer, love it to death, but not when we're being embarrassed on our home court. "we are georgetown and we love being popped in the mouth"? That said, I also know the AD tries to provoke cheers at certain points of the game (especially during timeouts when the band isn't playing), so our issue might be with the people at the top...
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