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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Dec 18, 2008 15:54:49 GMT -5
Roy Hibbert didn't have the chance to ever be considered the top player in any draft--Greg Monroe does. That's not what people were saying when everyone wanted to him to come back for his senior season. I seem to remember the consensus on this board being "Come back, win a national champion, and be a top 5 pick next year in a weaker draft (not predicting the freshman invasion of 07)". Then when it was realized that there was no chance of that happening, everyone on here changed their tune to "At least, he came back, got his degree, and was better prepared for the NBA". You can never predict the future. If his goal is to play professional basketball and he's put himself in position to reach that goal, I'm all for a player pursuing it. If at the end of this year, Greg Monroe has a chance to be a top 3-5 pick, how could anyone have a problem with him leaving?
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Post by sleepy on Dec 18, 2008 16:43:06 GMT -5
If Monroe is top 3-5, then by all means he should go and never look back, but I don't think that after this year he will be good enough to be drafted that high. I think the gray area that we are dealing with is if he is projected mid-late lotto. We all know he has the ability to be picked much higher than that, but should he just strike while the metal is hot, even if it will most likely get much hotter? Which will ultimately be the decision he has to make.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 18, 2008 18:11:23 GMT -5
I remember watching an interview just prior to the McD's AA game where Greg was asked if he'd consider being a one and done. Greg said something to the affect that he would like to get his degree from Georgetown but clarified his statement when he said something like... "but you gotta strike when the iron is hot and if its your time to go (to the NBA) you go".
Not sure what this all means...but I think Sleepy hit the nail on the head... its a question of how hot the iron must be before he jumps.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 18, 2008 23:56:18 GMT -5
Would it be possible to hold off on this speculation until draft season? The draft boards are turned upside down, sideways, etc. during a CBB season.
In any event, if this draft board is to be taken seriously on ESPN, our entire roster will be leaving this season in light of Jennings being a top 5 pick. To be honest, I don't even like Blake Griffin much as a player - not sure what he brings that you don't find in a player every year. B12 post players should also be viewed with suspicion in light of the fundamental lack of solid post play outside of Lawrence, KS and Austin, TX, with the occasional exceptions. This draft class is so bad Wayne Ellington is discussed as a first rounder.
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Post by RDF on Dec 18, 2008 23:57:11 GMT -5
Roy Hibbert didn't have the chance to ever be considered the top player in any draft--Greg Monroe does. That's not what people were saying when everyone wanted to him to come back for his senior season. I seem to remember the consensus on this board being "Come back, win a national champion, and be a top 5 pick next year in a weaker draft (not predicting the freshman invasion of 07)". Then when it was realized that there was no chance of that happening, everyone on here changed their tune to "At least, he came back, got his degree, and was better prepared for the NBA". You can never predict the future. If his goal is to play professional basketball and he's put himself in position to reach that goal, I'm all for a player pursuing it. If at the end of this year, Greg Monroe has a chance to be a top 3-5 pick, how could anyone have a problem with him leaving? I don't care what the "board's consensus" was--mine wasn't that and I support the best decision for the players. I just know that Greg Monroe has an opportunity to be the top pick in the NBA draft with more polish/work and Roy Hibbert wasn't ever going to get to that level. Will it happen? We'll find out--but I just want to enjoy the damn season and having a clown like Chad Ford start up **** with a "Draft Simulator" is just a waste of time.
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Post by dungeon ball on Dec 19, 2008 11:20:52 GMT -5
If Monroe is top 3-5, then by all means he should go and never look back, but I don't think that after this year he will be good enough to be drafted that high. I think the gray area that we are dealing with is if he is projected mid-late lotto. We all know he has the ability to be picked much higher than that, but should he just strike while the metal is hot, even if it will most likely get much hotter? Which will ultimately be the decision he has to make. Considering Hansbrough will take ALL of the first 3 spots in the draft, that kind of limits Greg's chances.
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Post by DudeSlade on Dec 19, 2008 13:38:09 GMT -5
If Monroe is top 3-5, then by all means he should go and never look back, but I don't think that after this year he will be good enough to be drafted that high. I think the gray area that we are dealing with is if he is projected mid-late lotto. We all know he has the ability to be picked much higher than that, but should he just strike while the metal is hot, even if it will most likely get much hotter? Which will ultimately be the decision he has to make. Considering Hansbrough will take ALL of the first 3 spots in the draft, that kind of limits Greg's chances. But the Knicks are gonna take LeBron's buddy Steph Curry just to try to get LeBron to sign with them...only to feel completely betrayed and have another worthless player for the NBA on their roster. Seriously, though, there's another sign that this draft is weak (though, Wayne Ellington is pretty hard to beat). Steph Curry is top 5 on everyone's board. I know he can score in droves and I'd love to have him as a college player, but last year people were saying he'd be a 2nd rounder if he came out. He hasn't grown 3 inches in that time and still won't be able to get his shot off against bigger NBA players, so what changed his draft position? Oh, that's right, the weak draft.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Dec 26, 2008 22:47:14 GMT -5
Chad Ford also had this to say about him: Greg Monroe, F/C, Georgetown The freshman class has been disappointing. To date, not one freshman has made a convincing case that he's ready for the NBA. However, Monroe has turned the most heads early on. His numbers aren't terrific, but his combination of size and skill has many scouts drooling. The Georgetown system won't allow Monroe to dominate statistically (see Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert), but it has highlighted that he's a harder worker than scouts gave him credit for in high school. If Monroe continues to improve as the season goes on, he has the talent to go as high as No. 2 or No. 3 in the draft. We have him planted firmly in the top 10. sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=FordDraftWatch-081224
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Post by kchoya on Dec 27, 2008 11:38:19 GMT -5
Chad Ford also had this to say about him: Greg Monroe, F/C, Georgetown The freshman class has been disappointing. To date, not one freshman has made a convincing case that he's ready for the NBA. However, Monroe has turned the most heads early on. His numbers aren't terrific, but his combination of size and skill has many scouts drooling. The Georgetown system won't allow Monroe to dominate statistically (see Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert), but it has highlighted that he's a harder worker than scouts gave him credit for in high school. If Monroe continues to improve as the season goes on, he has the talent to go as high as No. 2 or No. 3 in the draft. We have him planted firmly in the top 10. sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=FordDraftWatch-081224As much as I think Ford is a complete tool and has no idea what he's talking about, I think he's on with this one. I just hope the NBA gets fascinated with a bunch of Euros and starts to devalue Monroe.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Dec 27, 2008 12:11:35 GMT -5
Chad Ford also had this to say about him: Greg Monroe, F/C, Georgetown The freshman class has been disappointing. To date, not one freshman has made a convincing case that he's ready for the NBA. However, Monroe has turned the most heads early on. His numbers aren't terrific, but his combination of size and skill has many scouts drooling. The Georgetown system won't allow Monroe to dominate statistically (see Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert), but it has highlighted that he's a harder worker than scouts gave him credit for in high school. If Monroe continues to improve as the season goes on, he has the talent to go as high as No. 2 or No. 3 in the draft. We have him planted firmly in the top 10. sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=FordDraftWatch-081224As much as I think Ford is a complete tool and has no idea what he's talking about, I think he's on with this one. I just hope the NBA gets fascinated with a bunch of Euros and starts to devalue Monroe. Let's hope so is right because we are straight F'ed if we lose Summers and Monroe in 2009 and don't pick up a quality big man in their stead...like NIT material.
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Dec 27, 2008 12:25:54 GMT -5
monroe stays 2 years but thats all. next year we lose monroe and freeman and wright and summers (if he stays after this year).
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 27, 2008 12:48:36 GMT -5
braski,
I know what you're saying, but even if we lose Monroe and summers, which I don't think will happen, we will still make the ncaa tournament next season. Chris and austin would be the best backcourt in the big east, Henry will step up and Julian will step up, and we have one of the top five coaches in the country. I do agree that we'd be really hurt by both of those defections, but not so much that we're an NIT team
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