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Post by redskins12820 on Dec 16, 2008 16:51:25 GMT -5
I really don't understand people's obsession with locking threads on this board, unless it turns into bickering back and forth between two posters. Is discussion about something we don't know that scary? Why can't we speculate if Greg is going to leave? Don't you think JTIII is doing the same thing? Let's not Galileo this message board. It wasn't the speculation; it was the "inside info" that DaJuan is definitely leaving. Still don't agree with locking the thread because of that, but at least I understand that side of the argument. IMO, so what if the guy says he has inside info. No harm, no foul
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 16, 2008 17:05:59 GMT -5
I really don't understand people's obsession with locking threads on this board, unless it turns into bickering back and forth between two posters. Is discussion about something we don't know that scary? Why can't we speculate if Greg is going to leave? Don't you think JTIII is doing the same thing? Let's not Galileo this message board. It wasn't the speculation; it was the "inside info" that DaJuan is definitely leaving. I don't buy it that he is DEFINITELY leaving. That's a bunch of BS. If he continues to play the way he has his last 4 games... then I get it. But don't give me this he's gone crap a third of the way through the season.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 16, 2008 17:11:36 GMT -5
question: has any Hoya left in the modern era (i.e. since 1985) after just their frosh year?
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 16, 2008 17:11:38 GMT -5
Gen. Jim Jones would say that it is a matter of national security that Greg stays and completes his four years at Georgetown.
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Post by tlphoya on Dec 16, 2008 17:28:58 GMT -5
Nice Nevada! Can you arrange for Gen Jones to deliver that message personally to Greg & DaJuan.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Dec 16, 2008 17:55:46 GMT -5
question: has any Hoya left in the modern era (i.e. since 1985) after just their frosh year? How about Kenny Brunner, Willie taylor, Matt Causey, Josh Thornton, Octavius Spann, Cornelio, Shenard Long? Not sure though, my memory sucks. A couple guys may have been around beyond their freshman year, can't remember. They didn't go to the NBA, but they all left.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Dec 16, 2008 18:41:02 GMT -5
I dont think there is any doubt that Summers will at least test the waters as any junior with draft consideration does. If he is told, he'll be a 1st round pick, he should leave. If not, he should come back. Monroe should come back regardless. Another year under JTIII and he could go top 3
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Post by royski on Dec 16, 2008 18:41:10 GMT -5
I don't think that Monroe will be joining the group of players who left after their freshman year for an opportunity other than the NBA.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 16, 2008 19:05:50 GMT -5
[paging RDF] The blurb on DeMar DeRozan should show you what idiots Chad Ford and other draftniks are. They say DeRozan is an amazing athlete but lacks a killer instinct, lacks basketball IQ, and is off to slow start in college. Sounds like a top 10 pick to me.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 16, 2008 19:53:40 GMT -5
question: has any Hoya left in the modern era (i.e. since 1985) after just their frosh year? How about Kenny Brunner, Willie taylor, Matt Causey, Josh Thornton, Octavius Spann, Cornelio, Shenard Long? Not sure though, my memory sucks. A couple guys may have been around beyond their freshman year, can't remember. They didn't go to the NBA, but they all left. Lots of guys didn't fit the moldfor one reason or another...but no one left after their freshman year for the NBA. Then again, that was a different era. Btw, Shernard played at least two years for the Hoyas.
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Post by royski on Dec 16, 2008 21:59:33 GMT -5
[paging RDF] The blurb on DeMar DeRozan should show you what idiots Chad Ford and other draftniks are. They say DeRozan is an amazing athlete but lacks a killer instinct, lacks basketball IQ, and is off to slow start in college. Sounds like a top 10 pick to me. It also mentions a developed offensive skill set, which to my limited viewing has consisted of jumping really high near the basket with the ball and trying to throw it down through the hoop. EDIT: Sorry, I just had to bounce over to ESPN and read Ford's ACTUAL scouting report. It's hilarious. Did you know that DeRozan is an "excellent shooter" with "NBA 3 point range"? This is evidenced by his perfect 0-10 stat line from three in his career after the HS 3 point line. At least we know that the problem with his shot has nothing to do with the "great elevation on his jumper"... I don't think it matters if you get it off if it doesn't go in. I'm also not sure what gives Chad the idea that DeRozan "seems like he gets better every week". From looking at his game log, he seems remarkably consistent at being mediocre, and he has shown a penchant for playing worse against good teams. Wondering what his negatives are? Well, there are apparently questions about his bball iq. Not sure where those would come from, since he drops a whole 1 dime per game against 2.6 turnovers. "His ball handling needs work" "Can't go left" "Lacks a great midrange game" and "lacks effort on the defensive end". ............Wow. I mean, what NBA team isn't salivating over a two guard who can't go left with ball handling and decision making problems and who doesn't play defense? What exactly does he do in the NBA then? Cherry pick under the basket? Don't think that works as well when there's an NBA center or PF standing over you. Oh. He can just launch 3's. Except that he hasn't made one in an actual game since high school. He can be a 3 point specialist who's never made a 3. Lotto pick.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Dec 16, 2008 22:35:21 GMT -5
what NBA team isn't salivating over a two guard who can't go left with ball handling and decision making problems and who doesn't play defense? The Knicks?
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Post by RDF on Dec 17, 2008 2:02:31 GMT -5
I say just lock the damn thread because it'll be happening every week and on top of that-we've not even seen the young men get to play the full season and we've got speculation--based on "Mock" Drafts and a moronic, ill-informed SLUG like Chad Ford--who makes judgements based on HS All Star games and practice sessions--because we all know that teenagers are "tapped out" and can't improve after their SR seasons in HS.
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Dec 17, 2008 2:17:53 GMT -5
The thing people have to remember is that the upcoming draft is VERY WEAK. A guy like Greg could easily position himself into the top 5-10 just off of potential alone. If he finishes the year strong...I wouldn't be shocked if he left at all.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 17, 2008 2:56:48 GMT -5
The thing people have to remember is that the upcoming draft is VERY WEAK. A guy like Greg could easily position himself into the top 5-10 just off of potential alone. If he finishes the year strong...I wouldn't be shocked if he left at all. Personally I am not going to worry about their draft status, or all these draft boards in December, so much will change from now until June. New players will emerge, other players will be overhyped. Who knows what will happen. But I will say that you have a point about it being a weak draft year, but my question is how much better will it really be the following year? Griffen will be gone, as will Thabeet, a few Lousiville players that will likely play themselves into the lotto once their team starts going. The freshmen class isn't much stronger than this years class, and I doubt any of the incoming freshman will be better than a sophomore Monroe. Monroe has A LOT he can improve on, needs to get stronger, needs to work on his outside shot, develop more of a mid-range game, sharpen the post moves, etc. etc. Right now he is so successful based just upon his natural ability. Staying one more year really would help him tremendously if he wants to make an imediate impact at the next level. If he comes back one more year, works on all the areas of improvment, he could be absolutly dominant his sophomore season and end up being a higher draft pick that is much more ready to contribute. IMO, with Monroe the decision will come down to whether he wants to jump at the first opportunity at the NBA, or wait a year for a better offer and become more prepared for the league. If he is smart I think he stays unless he is guarenteed to go in the top 5( like what Jeff's decision came down to), but you never what his families finacial situation is like. With Summers I think the decision will ultimitly come down to whether or not he wants to comeback and compete/win a National Championship, because I don't think another year in college will improve his stock if he continues to play the way he has been this season.
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Post by hoyasaxa84 on Dec 17, 2008 9:13:23 GMT -5
Roy and Greg playing in Indiana would be shweet!
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Post by hoyasaxa84 on Dec 17, 2008 9:16:12 GMT -5
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 17, 2008 11:23:04 GMT -5
How about Kenny Brunner, Willie taylor, Matt Causey, Josh Thornton, Octavius Spann, Cornelio, Shenard Long? Not sure though, my memory sucks. A couple guys may have been around beyond their freshman year, can't remember. They didn't go to the NBA, but they all left. Lots of guys didn't fit the moldfor one reason or another...but no one left after their freshman year for the NBA. Then again, that was a different era. Btw, Shernard played at least two years for the Hoyas. Thanks blueandgray----I meant left for the NBA. [glaring at JJL for being cheeky....Willie was one of my floormates frosh year!]
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Post by DudeSlade on Dec 17, 2008 15:43:43 GMT -5
This draft is weak. Like really weak, so the temptation has to be there. But as is, I can't imagine Monroe jumping Griffen or Thabeet at the top of the draft. The year after, though, what big guys will there be? Maybe Samardo Samuels or BJ Mullens if they don't leave this year. But who can honestly say they wouldn't want a highly developed, high IQ player like Monroe over them? I know the normal standard is that if you are a lottery pick, you should go, but with Monroe there seems to be little chance he'll slip like Roy supposedly did (however minor) and I have to think he's a potential top 5 player. So if he's not top 5 this year, I'd say come back and be top 5 the next year. The monetary difference between picks 8-13 and picks 1-5 are significant and the ability to make an immediate impact in the NBA is notable. He really should look at Blake Griffen as an example. He would have been a lottery pick last year, but now he is almost certainly #1 and he is poised to come in and make a big impact. His advancement in a year is big and I could definitely see Monroe have that sort of growth between frosh and soph year.
As far as Summers leaving, I have heard similar things about his desire to leave. But I'll put the caveat up that from that some connection I'd heard that Sapp had always wanted to leave after 3 years since he arrived at Gtown and was rather disappointed he wasn't able to leave because he wasn't projected in the draft. So the point is that ALL these kids have dreams about the NBA and have their goals or plans of when they want to leave, BUT a lot depends on making smart decisions. The advantage to being Gtown fans is that our players are smart enough and get good enough advice that they aren't leaving early to be late 2nd round picks or undrafted because they aren't delusional about their status. If Dajuan is projected to go high in the draft, from what I've heard there'd be a pretty good shot he leaves, but if he's not projected high, he's smart enough to come back no matter what he wants to do. He's played like a high pick for the most part this year, but he's got to prove it the rest of the year.
Based on nothing, I'm gonna guess that Monroe is back next year and I'll give it 50-50 that Summers is back. It helps that next year's draft is projected to be equally as poor as this one.
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Dec 17, 2008 16:01:07 GMT -5
If Blake Griffin didn't get injured last year he may have very well decided to turn pro
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