thebin
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Post by thebin on Jan 30, 2005 14:09:46 GMT -5
I can't bear to think about last night's game so..... time for a silly poll!
Obviously I could only list certain ones so I went with ones I believe to have good uniforms- and Gtown, who in my opinion has HANDS DOWN the worst uniforms in the league, using not one but two colors that are not school colors. I have trouble deciding which are our ugliest/most inappropriate unis- gotta go with the baby blues then the black but I think the whites are pretty bad too.
What happened to those incredible blue and gray unis we used last year? Those should be our only unis. I believe they were real tanks too- not that thuggish Big East sleeve-less tee.
For my money, this is a two horse race between Cuse and ND.
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 30, 2005 14:21:28 GMT -5
Agree with you, bin, our jerseys are hideous. The design isn't bad, but the colors are horrible. I still can't really decide if our black or teal jerseys are uglier. They're both pretty bad, but I think the teal ones are worse.
We need to go back to the home grays and the away navy blues, with a similar but maybe slightly tweaked design. We had some great jerseys in the past, Iverson-era especially, the ones we have now just make me sick to my stomach. I am PRAYING for new uni's next year.
My vote was for Notre Dame, but did anybody notice that Syracuse changed their jerseys for this year? Instead of white lettering, which I thought looked better, it's now black and doesn't stand out as much. I think I've gotten used to it over the course of the year, but I guess I'll always think 'Cuse's jerseys are ugly.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Jan 30, 2005 14:25:40 GMT -5
isn't the lettering in Cuse's uniform Navy blue? That is their other color, isn't it? I think its navy and actually like it- but the white lettering was good too.
I would reverse my Cuse vote and go ND if I knew that other color was black. I hate it when schools use black when it is not a school color.
The AI era unis were better, but I could do without the kente cloth portion. It was ugly and I thought uneccesarily divisive- setting the team apart from the university at large I thought.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Jan 30, 2005 14:26:29 GMT -5
whoever voted "other"- who did you have in mind?
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 30, 2005 14:27:07 GMT -5
I would have to say Villanova, other than their throwbacks that they occasionally wear at home which I dont particularly like.
Their uni's are pretty simply with nice traditional colors but they also have very nice trim, the numbers are interesting and they just have a nice solid look to them.
I personally think that Syracuse's new jerseys aren't that nice because there is no outlining around the Syracuse lettering. If they took care of that and made a few adjustments they would be pretty good too.
I actually like the style of our current uni's but hate the colors.WE NEED HOME GRAYS AND ROAD NAVY BLUES!!!
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Post by JimmyHoya on Jan 30, 2005 14:27:40 GMT -5
Yeah, Syracuse shoulda stayed with last year's format... I like ND's new ones, too. UConn's do the trick as well. Simple, effective, all their colors are used and the least obnoxious way possible... The greatest uniforms though, have to be the old 'nova ones with the Wildcat clawing across the front.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Jan 30, 2005 14:29:21 GMT -5
Yeah- I almost put Nova on there but went Seton Hall because I guess I like them a little.
The shame about us not using our school colors is we are the only school I can think of to have a unique color combination. Aren't we?
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 30, 2005 14:48:32 GMT -5
Good uniforms share three characteristics:
1. They are timeless, even if not identical to past eras. Kentucky will always be Kentucky. Duke has changed slightly over the years, but whether it's Jack Marin or gene banks or Bobby Hurley or J.J. Redick, the look is the same. Same for UNC, UCLA, Purdue, Indiana, etc.
2. No logos in the main name of the uniform (ie., Miami's "U" road jersey, Michgan's old "M" jersey, etc.)
3. Colors that are consistent to the school. A gray uniform at Texas, for example, doesn't work, as was the yellow jerseys at Maryland or the purple at Clemson. In theory, I would avoid all third jersey looks. For example, a red UConn jersey would look awful even if it is technically in its color set.
Of the 12 BE teams, four work, five are mixed, and three don't. Easy to see where Georgetown fits.
Jerseys that work: Villanova, UConn, Providence, Notre Dame (when it's blue and gold. Any combination of green and/or the shamrocks are a disqualifier.)
Mixed: Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, West Virginia, Boston College.
Doesn't work: Seton Hall, St. John's stylized jersey, and Georgetown.
"Blue and gray is not teal and black."
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Jan 30, 2005 14:51:56 GMT -5
I agree they should be timeless and change little or none at all for years at a time. I also don't care for third jersies full stop.
Why doesn't Seton Hall work? Are those not their colors? Can you explain your "no logos" thing a bit more? Why?
I can't believe I forgot providence on that list, third best unis in the league- maybe the second best IMO actually.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 30, 2005 15:01:17 GMT -5
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 30, 2005 15:04:01 GMT -5
The lettering on the syracuse jerseys is navy blue, not black. However, it should at least be outlined in white in my opinion to stand out more.
Also, the home jerseys should feature orange lettering and numbers thinly outlined in navy blue rather than so much navy blue. Their freaking nickname is the orange.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 30, 2005 15:11:44 GMT -5
The AI era unis were better, but I could do without the kente cloth portion. It was ugly and I thought uneccesarily divisive- setting the team apart from the university at large I thought. Yeah, I know I always felt separated because of the Kente cloth. It kept me awake at night, knowing that Nike's obviously successfully marketing tool was marginalizing me.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Jan 30, 2005 15:16:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I know I always felt separated because of the Kente cloth. It kept me awake at night, knowing that Nike's obviously successfully marketing tool was marginalizing me. It was also ugly as hell.....
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Nevada Hoya
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 30, 2005 15:17:01 GMT -5
Who designs our uniforms? Rose Weiss of the Lawrence Welk show?
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Jan 30, 2005 15:19:55 GMT -5
Hey Nevada, you might have just dated yourself. Um, who? of the what show? I hear what everyone is saying about outlining the navy lettering on Cuse's uni- I just don't agree. I like it simple. I have no trouble reading it.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 30, 2005 15:23:32 GMT -5
If we want a timeless jersey that truly comes to symbolize Georgetown like Duke and Kentucky have then we need to have a new version that is almost identical to the 1982-1984 uni's. That would be a truly beautiful sight to behold. From HoyaBasketball.com: 1982-84 Home: Gray Away: Navy blue A new look came suddenly in 1982.As fans pushed to return the traditional blue and gray, Nike maintained the Georgetown style and lettering but introduced a new look-- the classic all-gray jersey, with a Navy blue on the road. hoyabasketball.com/features/uniforms.htm
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Jan 30, 2005 15:32:59 GMT -5
it might be time to start a massive email campaign to the powers that be- and let them know that almost all Hoya fans hate their own team's unis. I would guess 90% or more Hoya fans would love to see those throwbacks adopted as the main home jersey and make a similar navy road uni.
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 30, 2005 15:38:52 GMT -5
I agree, we should definitely do something. I know that the games are the most important thing and that people are gonna say that we shouldn't be distracted by the uni's right now, but I truly hate them and almost everyone I know does as well. We need to adopt a jersey very similar to these throwbacks from last year as our home uni's. www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/022304aaa.htmlAnd we need a dark (navy I guess) blue uni to match that. How should we go about starting a campaign to do this? We need to voice our displeasure and this is the perfect time. We are supposedly switching to Jordan uniforms next year anyway so I would imagine that they will be coming out with a modified uni. We need those unis for next year to be home grays and road nay blues. Now, how do we get this going to make sure it happens?
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Post by TigerHoya on Jan 30, 2005 15:44:04 GMT -5
Good uniforms share three characteristics: [...] 3. Colors that are consistent to the school. A gray uniform at Texas, for example, doesn't work, as was the yellow jerseys at Maryland or the purple at Clemson. In theory, I would avoid all third jersey looks. For example, a red UConn jersey would look awful even if it is technically in its color set. Before I respond to DFW let me go on record as saying I agree with everyone else - gray at homes, blue on the road. I hope this post doesn't get too far off the topic at hand but I think there are some parallels worth mentioning. If you're citing basketball examples in your characteristics then I don't know that purple would be something to apply to Clemson unless I'm having a brain fart. There were navy blue uniforms in the '80s and '90s that were often worn more on the road than orange ones. These were like the navy ones at Georgia Tech - not a school color. Purple <b>is</b> a school color at Clemson and has been one longer than orange. The original colors were purple and gold but Jess Neely changed to orange when he was football coach because of uniform fading in the laundry. The whole alternate jersey thing, which is mainly in college football, is a merchandising-driven issue in my opinion. North Carolina has 4 separate football jerseys for sale through Nike and they could conceivably wear any of them. They have white, baby blue, navy and black. Bunting brought back the navy blue ones and Nike or somebody apparently went the theory that the Redskins, Cowboys, Eagles and Duke all in the past have gone with and added black to boost sales. The alternate jerseys at most schools showed up on merchandise websites and in stores before the team even thought about wearing them. In fact, almost every school with a Nike contract has an alternate jersey, even if they have no intention of ever wearing it. It's usually the school's other predominant color (e.g. an orange one for VT.) A purple jersey for Clemson first showed up in summer 2002 even though they weren't worn in a game until @ Georgia Tech in 2003. BYU tried out that two-tone bib look that the NCAA killed about the same time but Nike was still selling those jerseys that year for most of their schools. Nike even sold sleeveless jerseys for a couple of years for many teams even though those would never ever see the field. I haven't seen gray Texas jerseys except in baseball so I couldn't comment on those. Georgia Tech dropped the navy jerseys after a bunch of fan complaints over the years. I've heard from a Tech fan I know that more than one prominent booster has vowed to cut off the money if the navy returns -especially in football. I left out more details on some of the things so as not to bore anyone who doesn't care but the re-emergence of purple at Clemson started when Bowden became football coach. The emergence of blue as a non-official secondary color started when the team wore royal blue in the 1959(?) Sugar Bowl against LSU at the request of TV (which was in B&W for that game.)
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Jan 30, 2005 15:46:09 GMT -5
get a mass email going to menshoops@georgetown.edu ?
I can try to write something when I am not so hungover. It should mention our contention that almost nobody likes the current black and teal use. Maybe we should do a poll and when we have 50 or so votes- we can present some data in the email. I think I will start a new poll now...
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