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Post by tpk3 on Jan 8, 2009 6:41:33 GMT -5
clint jackson has a real good article on roscoe up on carolinablue.com. compares roscoe to a young corey brewer-- i think roscoe has more potential offensively and may even be more athletic that corey brewer. also his shot is coming along nicely this year. he has been demonstrating more of an inside/outside game this year but clint projects him as a pure wing at the next level.
ideally, i would like roscoe to play dajuan's role on the 2006-2007 squad. i see him playing the wing along side a combo forward (who is more of a power forward) and a GTOWN type center. depending on personnel and his continuing development roscoe could play PF for us but i wold prefer him to be on the wing flying around with hollis. he would have to get much stronger to be a true banger in big East. rocoe is a good rebounder and he can play inside but he does his damage by creating for himself from the perimeter. i absolutely love Roscoe on the defensive end. he is relentless.
we need to be patient with roscoe-- i know i do ;D
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Post by DudeSlade on Jan 8, 2009 15:22:00 GMT -5
RDF and others in the know, am I wrong to think that Gtown has supplanted Duke as the secondary recruiting power to UNC on the East Coast? It seems that getting Monroe over Duke elevated us a step and with the quality of the players that we have gone after and gotten for 2010, it seems that we are gaining great momentum. It seems that getting Roscoe would keep us at/move us up to that level right below UNC in terms of recruiting. Or are there just too many great programs and too few scholarships for each school to really elevate yourself above others? Any way it goes, it seems UNC has it going on right now. Hope we can get Roscoe.
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Post by tpk3 on Jan 8, 2009 15:50:08 GMT -5
i would not say GTOWN has supplanted duke-- they are still a top program that gets alot of recruits. we have gone head to head with them recently and done pretty well i think. but i would not say we have surplanted them. plus there wil be MANY more future battles in 2010, 2011 and beyond. Overall, i just think it is great that GTOWN is back and right there with unc and duke when it come to the east coast/atlantic coast/PG areas.
From the looks of it UNC will offer pj hairston and one of mcadoo/gbinje-- maybe all 3 if the schollies fall right. hairston is a long, athletic shooter- kind of marksman UNC has not had. there has been alot of recent buzz about hairston and how he will definitely get an offer. gbinje visited a couple of weekends ago and mcadoo's uncle played at UNC. As RDF mentioned the whole 2010 schollie saga will be interesting for UNC. They have ONE schollie left for 2010 and that if for Harrison Barnes. they have put feelers out for Casey Prather and Travis Mckie. Seemingly, they have put Roscoe Smith on the back burner. As for 2011 they are counting on 2-3 schollies depending on what happens with harrison barnes and if Ed Davis and/or John Henson leave early-- sounds like the perception is that both davis and henson won't be around for 2011-2012. As you can see UNC can go in alot of different directions depending on what happens with Harrison Barnes. And oh by the way GTOWN is hard after Roscoe Smith and Mike Gbinje. Hope this clears everything up!
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Post by idhoya on Jan 8, 2009 16:34:23 GMT -5
I think Hoyas have a good shot at Mike, if they offer, which to my knowledge, hasn't happened yet. He's the type of multi-skilled, long, athlete with IQ that the Hoyas covet.
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 8, 2009 17:00:33 GMT -5
RDF and others in the know, am I wrong to think that Gtown has supplanted Duke as the secondary recruiting power to UNC on the East Coast? Tough to say we've supplanted them when they have pretty well kicked our butts in the 2010 class. They have taken 3 Top 50 type players from our backyard--2 of whom had Georgetown offers while the other didn't have an offer as yet but was very high on the radar. Ultimately Starks may end up being as good or better than Thornton but Thornton certainly passed up on GU for Duke as did Hairston, which left us looking at other options for the 4 spot (Nate). They also beat us out for Mason Plumlee (probably did not have a GU offer, but had interest) as well as Ryan Kelly in '09. We beat them head-up for Monroe in 2008 and got commitments from both Thompson and Riley prior to them offering (though they had shown interest in both) in '09. If you wanna go as far back as the 2007 class they landed Nolan Smith who we wanted and offered, and they made the decision to pass on Chris Wright who wanted to go there, which led to him picking NC State and ultimately ending up a Hoya. It's pretty back-and-forth, you win some you lose some, and when you're comparing yourself to a major power that's all you can ask for. But I definitely don't think we can say we supplanted them, since right now all the momentum is theirs and the only time we truly beat them head-to-head was Monroe (which of course was a huge win, but Smith, Kelly, Thornton, Dawkins, Hairston etc. are all very good too).
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Post by jgalt on Jan 8, 2009 17:07:33 GMT -5
RDF and others in the know, am I wrong to think that Gtown has supplanted Duke as the secondary recruiting power to UNC on the East Coast? It seems that getting Monroe over Duke elevated us a step and with the quality of the players that we have gone after and gotten for 2010, it seems that we are gaining great momentum. It seems that getting Roscoe would keep us at/move us up to that level right below UNC in terms of recruiting. Or are there just too many great programs and too few scholarships for each school to really elevate yourself above others? Any way it goes, it seems UNC has it going on right now. Hope we can get Roscoe. Not YET, its possible because they havent performed well in the NCAAs recently (though neither did gtown last year). In the next ten years at most they will be supplanted, though by whom i dont know. The reason? Coach K will be gone. While you could argue that there are so many of his former assistants who are now famous could fill his role, there are a lot of other schools willing to put up big money to keep their coaches. It will be interesting to see what happens with them. A bad coaching transition could leave them in the position that Kentucky is in now, struggling to get back to its former glory (not that gilespie is a bad coach, it just hasnt gone smoothly for them)
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 8, 2009 17:35:18 GMT -5
And oh by the way GTOWN is hard after Roscoe Smith and Mike Gbinje. Hope this clears everything up! [/i][/quote] That's a pretty significant "Oh by the way"! Getting those two guys would make everyone on this board feel a lot better. Any idea if we have even a prayer of getting Josh Smith?
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Post by IDenj on Jan 8, 2009 18:58:25 GMT -5
to me i think josh smith would be as good as roscoe, if we could get him.
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Post by DudeSlade on Jan 8, 2009 20:14:47 GMT -5
Thanks to all for the responses. I hadn't realized that Duke had beat us head-to-head for those 2010 kids. I was just looking at Greg and the great class we're putting together for '10 with Markel, Nate, possibly Roscoe that I thought we were getting all the guys we want -- didn't realize we'd been beaten out on some.
Maybe this should be another thread, but since I kind of brought it up earlier and I'm just real interested to know, I'll ask it here: Who would you consider the top recruiting powers right now? The top teams are not always the top recruiting powers and vice versa, so I was just curious if there are some programs that stand out in the recruiting world. Not knowing much on the subject, I would venture to say: UNC, Duke, Nova (?), UCLA, Ohio State (?), Louisville (?), Gtown, Texas (?), Florida (?), Wake Forest (?). These are just the schools that I seem to hear attached to big recruits fairly often, so I may be way off. What do you think?
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 8, 2009 20:34:53 GMT -5
You need to add Memphis as well as UCONN, Kansas, TN, WVU. Nova certainly has a good class coming in, but I don't know that they belong on the top level at this point.
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Post by IDenj on Jan 8, 2009 20:40:14 GMT -5
duke seemingly had more interest lubick than we did in dawkins. since both committed early it is safe to say they went to the school they had their hearts set on from the start. yes we lost out to duke for thornton and josh. that said, it wasn t a fair fight. duke didn t do anything improper but they benefited from outside sources pushing HARD for them and against the hoyas. my guess is barnes goes to kansas, josh smith doesn t end up in the acc and roscoe picks hoyas.
how will the duke fans spin that ( if it comes to fruition )? they need to hit a home run with 2010 as they have missed out on most of their top picks over the last 2 years. so far their class is very strong. but if they don t get barnes smith or smith, that might suggest a trend down.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 8, 2009 21:00:01 GMT -5
Duke also won for Ryan Kelly
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Post by idhoya on Jan 8, 2009 21:05:55 GMT -5
Duke won for Crawford Palmer too.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 8, 2009 21:10:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't count Kelly. By the end of his recruitment, it looked like JT3 wasn't pursuing hard and there were serious doubts about his fit on defense.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 8, 2009 21:12:41 GMT -5
Duke won for Crawford Palmer too. Who?
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Post by IDenj on Jan 8, 2009 22:35:16 GMT -5
ya they beat us out for kelly, but i was just talking about the 2010 class. and make no mistake, III went all out for kelly. he was checking out kelly in nc the week before he picked duke at a 6 am practice. but i am glad in the end we didn t end up with him. just think we could have a better fit with other kids.
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Post by idhoya on Jan 8, 2009 22:39:46 GMT -5
Palmer was a classic example of an overhyped big, who cause he chose Duke was supposed to be the next Laettner.
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 9, 2009 0:10:40 GMT -5
duke seemingly had more interest lubick than we did in dawkins. since both committed early it is safe to say they went to the school they had their hearts set on from the start. yes we lost out to duke for thornton and josh. that said, it wasn t a fair fight. duke didn t do anything improper but they benefited from outside sources pushing HARD for them and against the hoyas. my guess is barnes goes to kansas, josh smith doesn t end up in the acc and roscoe picks hoyas. how will the duke fans spin that ( if it comes to fruition )? they need to hit a home run with 2010 as they have missed out on most of their top picks over the last 2 years. so far their class is very strong. but if they don t get barnes smith or smith, that might suggest a trend down. It's not a major deal to me but this is perhaps a little revisionist. Lubick never had an offer from Duke. By summer '08 their first choice at the 4 spot was clearly Hairston. They pushed hard for him, had him visit after K came back from the olympics and locked him up. Lubick never really entered the equation for them because he didn't have an offer and they got their first choice at that position. We on the other hand did not get our first choice, which is why Lubick got the offer and committed shortly thereafter. Basically both schools had offered their first choice in Hairston, and once they won that battle Lubick was next on the list. Re: Dawkins, here's a quote from an old Rivals article (looks like I was wrong earlier about him not having an offer): "Georgetown is the other school in hot pursuit of Dawkins.
"Coach Thompson just talked to my dad and wanted it to be known that they are officially offering me a scholarship," said Dawkins..."Georgetown and Maryland are my top schools," he said. "They are showing the most interest, and I like their coaches." Shortly after that Duke offered, had him on campus and he committed. He had been on record previously saying Duke was his favorite team growing up. Unfortunately, I think the guy would have been a perfect fit in our system. As Starks is(will be) to Wright, Dawkins would have been to Freeman. Solidly built at 6'4, fantastic shooter and even has been described in the way so many other GU players are described, including Freeman--"he lets the game come to him." I am as huge a supporter of JTIII as a recruiter as anyone and it's awesome that he's brought in so many talented players these last 5 years or so. BUT, it's hard to argue K has gotten the best of him on the trail in the last few battles. No shame in that, hopefully III gets back some momentum by landing a stud like Roscoe next. As for slade's question about the true powers, I'd say the list looks pretty good if you add Memphis, KU, Tenn and UConn as Saxa mentions. However I think it's important to say that right now, IMHO, UNC is in a class of their own. They don't necessarily get every single guy they want (Roe, Love, Hawes) but outside of a few exceptions they can more or less pick whomever they want. And you have to give credit to Roy, he works hard on the trail and uses the North Carolina brand/reputation to the fullest. As of right now UNC is definitely the "dream school" for more young basketball players than any other school. They're bringing in tons of talent every year and how many top 50 players they get in a given class is basically a product of how many guys they expect to go to the NBA that year. Even after Hansbrah leaves, they're going to be a top team for the foreseeable future.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 9, 2009 4:37:11 GMT -5
Hoya Recruiting is going just fine and will as long as III is coaching. Agree with the above. Individual classes may be a tad disappointing, but the overall trend is amazing... and, I believe, will continue to be.
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Post by Filo on Jan 9, 2009 9:09:13 GMT -5
I don't follow recruiting as closely as some here, but my take is that yeah, I agree UNC is in league of their own, and Duke is not far behind. With few exceptions (Monroe!), if Duke makes an offer, they'll land the kid they want unless that kid goes to UNC. So it is kind of interesting to track the head-to-head wins in GU v. Duke, for example, but it does not really matter that much, since both schools are going to get great players. It's just a matter of which coach helps them develop better and takes better advantage of their skill set. I'll take my chances with JTIII.
And, as has been discussed around here previously, it is not necessarily a lock to win just because you have a team of all-americans. Obviously, it doesn't hurt to have tons of top talent, but you need to find the right kids that fit the program and fit together. If just amassing top talent guaranteed NCAA titles, Duke and UNC would win every year, and that has clearly not been the case, especially recently. Again, I'll take my chances with JTIII.
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