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Post by hoyalawyer on Nov 18, 2008 1:10:08 GMT -5
Wow was it a bad day to be about 6'5 and shooting jumpers. HA HA... .also keep in mind this J-ville team returned all starters (i think) and I'm pretty sure most of the team in total. We, on the other hand, have 6/10 scholarship players with little to no experience at the college level. There will be lumps and bumps, but it'll get better. Testing the waters early is better than screwing around come tournament time (see Tn playing JP prince at point guard DURING THE NCAA TOURNEY for the first time all season last year (while I am rue that JP is good point, he hadn't played there all year). Second, why do so many assume that b/c JTIII played guys with more experience in the past that that is the SOLE reason he did so (in re wattad getting more clock) tonight? Maybe he thinks OMAR is more ready to play RIGHT NOW. From what I know of JTIII, recruits are told "I'm going to play the guys that will put us in the best position to win." He doesn't pander to recruits with promises and assurances; he tells them to earn it and they'll get it. Maybe Omar earned the PT he got tonight based on his work over the course of this summer and last year? who really knows, all I am saying is the "Nikita/Omar experiment" is no experiment. They're on the team on scholarship and they earned that too. Time will tell how it plays out, and I hate to sound so generic, but TRUST THE STAFF. They really do know what they're doing and I' for one will CONTINUE to think that until I see the results indicate otherwise (i.e. we start LOSING games we SHOULD win).
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Post by CTHoya08 on Nov 18, 2008 2:13:00 GMT -5
I think that III playing the guys with more experience early in the year and those guys being the ones who are ready to play right now are one in the same. If/when the new players are acclimated in the system they will be more ready, and perhaps better than the older but less talented guys. I don't think III says "I need to keep these players on the bench until they know the system better," I think he sees who's most ready based on practice, and early in the year that is more likely to be the players with a year in the system under their belts.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 18, 2008 3:45:19 GMT -5
Lawyer, when I said Omar was playing because he had more experience, I meant what you said -- his experience meant he knew his place in the offense and defense, etc., and was a better team player right now. Not that he played because of seniority. III has never given minutes because of seniority, from what I can tell. I think most people think the same.
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Post by theexorcist on Nov 18, 2008 6:52:34 GMT -5
It's also potentially worth mentioning that, with a youngish team and in a tightish game, Georgetown never trailed. After the 10-0 run, the closest JU got was 13-12 and 55-51.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 18, 2008 7:58:23 GMT -5
quick summary greg monroe GREAT jason will contribute alot.. nikitas gotta get moving omar good d.. chris awesome and under pretty good control dajuan baad first outside then at the end INSIDE where he needs to be julian ok back up for greg ok.. jesses was jesse money at the right time few steals and key baskets... henry who i LOVE AND IS GONNA BE GOOD just not ready yet looked lost while out there on d and o.. austin very off and i do worry looked to me like his ankle...rebbies AWFUL not boxing out or crashing the boards shouldnt get outrebounded especially allowing o rebounds nobody taller that six seven or so...they are young they are talented but do worry about depth injuries foul trouble especially if gregs in foul trouble they came at us and will be tough sooooo tough early great late dajuan must play INSIDE GAME good summers make great winters overall pleased pretty good d i do disagree we lost the ball MANY MANY TIMES ON THE PRESS AT LEAST TWICE OR THREE TIMES IN A ROW AT ONE POINT soooo the seaason has started ps as to jt3 using ten players and needing to play alot of frosh and sophs THATS ALL WE HAVE FOLKS ONLY JESSES AND DAJUAN NOT SOPHS SO THERES NO CHOICE ON THAT ONE go hoyas proud worried about austins ankle it looked like to me he rolled it twice.. go hoyas dajuan inside some rebbies.. better shot selection beat the press and STAY HEALTHY AND WE WILL BE WEALTHY go hoyas see you at drexel eat the bananna ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2008 7:58:48 GMT -5
Really not a bad first game. Look, Duke had a close game with Rhode Island, UCLA beat Miami of Ohio by 5 points, North Carolina had a lot of trouble with Penn for a while.
We are a young team. I suspect it is going to take some time before we are running on all four cylinders. We are going to need time to develop. We have a lot of young players.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 18, 2008 8:00:04 GMT -5
ps jacksonville not bad that one five foot guy kept draining crucial threes and in the second half there o worked.. and they tended to out huslte us on rebbies o and d till the very very end when jesse and dajuan did settle us and woowwowwoow loved jason for his brief time two rebbies i think and four points he can play
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 18, 2008 8:01:13 GMT -5
pss over all much quicker team than last years much overal go hoyas
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Post by dcc33 on Nov 18, 2008 8:55:49 GMT -5
A few thoughts, for what they're worth...
Greg is going to be very, very good. No lack in effort or intensity, and I though his D looked better that expected. Hopefully we can rely on him for 30 mins. a night.
Surprised at how small we went for long streches - not just 3 guard sets for most of the game, but also a fair bit of time with 4 guards. I didn't care for the few minutes we had Summers, Nikita, and 3 guards - probably Chris, Austin, and Jessie. Hopefully Henry can get ready to log at least 10 minutes a night.
I think Austin is fine. I saw him limp off in the first half, but he played plenty of time later in the game, unless I missed another time where he got hurt later on. I'm sure this will be his worst shooting game of the season.
Omar looked fine to me. The shots were open, and his D looked solid. If he proves he can hit a those open threes, and I think he can, he will play, especially if Henry isn't ready for the kind of time we had thought.
Rebounding - can we please get a few defensive rebounds next game? I couldn't believe how many second and third opportunities they got (and subsequently missed).
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Post by Filo on Nov 18, 2008 9:15:49 GMT -5
Real positives from Monroe(s), Wright, Clark, Sapp. And i liked DaJuan's assertiveness in the 2nd half.
I really don't have a problem with Wattad being in there based on the same reasons expressed by a few here. Looks like he may be assuiming the Tyler Crawford role to some degree.
Overall, first game, lots of new players -- I think we will be fine.
Lastly, I will wait to see how the rebounding goes throughout the course of the season this year, but I think we are going to safely conclude that it is JTIII's philosphy and system that is the primary factorin the Hoyas' rebounding disadvantage (e.g. big men playing help D and not being in rebounding position, etc.)
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Post by Dhall on Nov 18, 2008 9:30:33 GMT -5
I don't think anyone else has pointed out yet that Henry Sims and Julian Vaughn are 6'9 and 6'8" at best, though Vaughn has really long arms. I don't know what we'll do against UCONN, but on the other hand I think we might be better off against Nova and Pitt than last year.
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Post by mapei on Nov 18, 2008 9:40:34 GMT -5
Philosophy or no, you can't let the other team get 18 or 19 offensive rebounds on your home court. That was ridiculous.
I had to work late and got to the arena with about 5 to go in the first half. I think I missed most of Chris's good work - he already had 12 or 14 points and it seemed stuck on 14 for most of the game. I don't remember seeing any of his FTs (which strikes me as good, now that I read about them), so he must have been more active in the 1st half. I did see him play well with the ball, moving, passing, being quick. DaJuan looked MIA for much of the time. Jessie looked good, Monroe obviously.
I'm hopeful on Omar. I actually thought he looked pretty good during his minutes. Agree about Nikita, though.
The win never quite looked in doubt, but our play was sloppy. The degree to which we improve will determine the season. We've been spoiled a bit with the class that just graduated. They became disciplined veterans on both O and D, and it really showed the last two years. This year we have kids with potential. Big difference.
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 18, 2008 9:51:01 GMT -5
Rebounding and first half turn overs were the only problems, IMO. JTIII played 10 guys, and it was pretty clear he was just playing with line ups. We need to figure this team out fast with the Old Spice tourney upcoming, so I don't think this game is indicative of our real abilities. I agree with this point wholeheartedly, but playing around with the lineups nearly cost us an embarrassing loss tonight. Secure the victory first, then get guys like Nikita some PT. I understand we are going to have young guys in there no matter what (and yes, I agree Omar was at least productive on the defensive end), but you can't play a guy who is a complete liability on both ends of the floor when you're only up 8-10 points in the 2nd half. Can't do it. This game was never in doubt. Ever. From about six minutes in, JTIII used it as a scrimmage and had players like Nikita and Wattad in the game. He has a completely different lineup from last year and wanted to see how all of the parts played together. The result is moments of greatness and moments of ugliness. This happens every year and every year you guys freak out. You guys got some sunshine for the spotless mind.
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Post by NCHoya on Nov 18, 2008 10:17:30 GMT -5
Loved the way Sapp played last night! The kid is exactly what this team needs, a guy who will not be scared to make a play down the stretch and not be caught up in the moment. I actually feel more comfortable with this team's closing ability compared to last year because of Jesse and what I saw from the FT last night in final 5 minutes.
I am going to give JT3 a pass because it was pretty clear he was playing with his line-up at times. Austin had a horrible night shooting, not going to be a long-term issue.
The one worry like everyone has mentioned is the rebounding but I also wonder if this team will not fall in love with the 3, similar to a ND or Duke, yikes!
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Post by jkhoya12 on Nov 18, 2008 10:30:38 GMT -5
I don't think anyone else has pointed out yet that Henry Sims and Julian Vaughn are 6'9 and 6'8" at best, though Vaughn has really long arms. I don't know what we'll do against UCONN, but on the other hand I think we might be better off against Nova and Pitt than last year. I don't buy that at all. Henry is 6'10. He's as tall or a little bit shorter than Greg. Julian doesn't look that tall, but if Nikita is 6'8, then he's 6'9. 6'9 vs. 6'8 when you have a long wingspan isn't that big of a deal.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 18, 2008 10:31:00 GMT -5
Let's not draw any real conclusions on particular guys based on one game.
Must confess I was shocked when Omar was the first off the bench but he played pretty well. Looked to me like he did not square away before launching his 3's, probably because it was the first time he got real minutes and he was rushing. In this one game, Jesse was the stabilizer and Chris was dynamic, both in a good and a bad way at times.
Decent start against a pretty good, well-coached team.
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Post by dailey247 on Nov 18, 2008 10:32:16 GMT -5
I'll take the win, but two major negatives stand out for me. The first, obviously, is the rebounding differential, but that's been covered ad nauseum. The second is the 7 minute stretch in the second half where we only scored 4 points.
Last year's team had exactly the same faults. Against Davidson, we went 9 minutes in the second half with only 4 points, letting them cut the lead from 17 to 2. Is this an inescapable feature of our offense? Last year, I thought the solution to these droughts was to not let anybody shoot until Roy touched the ball on the low block. This year, I don't know.
Obviously, we'll learn a lot more as the season wears on. But I'm starting to think it's possible we'll just have to deal with getting owned on the glass and suffering a prolonged 2nd half cold spell every game as long as JTIII is running the program. (Which, hopefully, will be the next 20 years at least.)
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 18, 2008 10:47:01 GMT -5
I am happy with the result, albeit a bit concerned. Here are some brief thoughts:
Monroe is certainly an impact player on both ends of the court, and we really need his presence. He has to stay out of foul trouble.
It was not a great game for Summers, but I was glad to see him concentrate on going to the hoop and cutting backdoor rather than hanging out on the perimeter.
Freeman had a terrible game, but I am not worried that he will have too many 1-10 shooting nights.
Wright looked good, although he will not be able to convert as many of those drives against elite teams with serious interior players. Of course, he needs to improve FT shooting and will do so.
Sapp is solid but needs to assert himself more at times.
Vaughan is a good athlete. We need his presence on the boards and he needs to get integrated into the offense, as he looked a bit lost.
I was very glad to see Wattad and Nikita get minutes. Right now is their chance to earn time, and I was glad to see them on the court. There will be games when we need a solid at least 5-10 minutes from one or both of them, so we need to get them PT early on. Wattad is a good shooter and he will not miss that many threes very often; I was just glad to see him having the confidence to shoot. Again, we need contributions from them, so let's be patient and give them some time to improve.
The offense looks totally different than last year. Everyone is moving around and interchangable, which is how it is designed to be run. We need Wright to post up less, and we need to run good sets past looking for the initial backdoor. Still, it is a work in progress and it will look good by some point in January.
Jacksonville is not a bad team, and I'm glad they gave us a good run. Our guys have a lot to assess and improve on and I'm sure the players and staff are already hard at work to get better.
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Post by hoyalawyer on Nov 18, 2008 10:58:10 GMT -5
Lawyer, when I said Omar was playing because he had more experience, I meant what you said -- his experience meant he knew his place in the offense and defense, etc., and was a better team player right now. Not that he played because of seniority. III has never given minutes because of seniority, from what I can tell. I think most people think the same. Understood. My mistake for misinterpreting what you said.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 18, 2008 11:07:11 GMT -5
I don't think anyone else has pointed out yet that Henry Sims and Julian Vaughn are 6'9 and 6'8" at best, though Vaughn has really long arms. I don't know what we'll do against UCONN, but on the other hand I think we might be better off against Nova and Pitt than last year. Henry is actually taller than Monroe, even though someone apparently felt the need to flip their heights. Vaughn is more of a PF though, because he doesn't make up for his height with lots of bulk or leaping ability. Still, for most of the schedule he can play C. One thing I am worried about is a defensive presence when Monroe is out - I thought there was a noticeable dropoff, as Monroe is our only real shotblocking threat. Sims could help there as he gets a little more comfortable. Tonight on offense he basically floated around like a SF. I'm not too high on Omar (luckily hoyalawyer is enthusiastic enough for both of us) but as long as he can hit threes he is serviceable for a few minutes a game. He doesn't have a handle and isn't a great passer, but he plays OK D and is generally a good shooter. I'll count the dumb mistakes (inbounds turnover followed by blocking foul) as jitters. Basically, once we start bringing in subs we can either go three guard (Clark coming in for a F/C), big (Sims or Vaughn coming in for one of the guards or Freeman) or have Wattad/Nikita come in for Freeman/Summers. So far, big seems to be losing out - for one game, at least.
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