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Post by kchoya on Sept 9, 2008 11:13:46 GMT -5
That's great. Maybe if we have Palin in the White House, she can just pray for the economy to improve. Considering the only proposal that she and Johnny offered at the convention was making the Bush tax-cuts permanent, I guess praying is a big part of the plan. Well, that and their energy plan, which would actually help with energy prices and energy independence thus helping the economy, but you can keep ignoring that if you want. As the Dems keep focusing on trying to nitpick Palin and find the skeletons in her closet (see this travel budget crap today), they're only hurting themselves. The more time they spend on trying to argue why Obama is as experienced as Palin (the VP candidate!), the less time they're focused on the messages that seemed to work earlier in the campaign. After watching Obama with Stephanopoulos this weekend, the more I think he lacks the onions to do what it takes to win this election. That's what the GOP succeeds more than the Dems (at least lately). The party with Atwater and Karl Rove (and now Steve Schmidt?) realize that the purpose of running a campaign is to win. Other than Clinton's team of Carville, Begala, et al, I can't think of a Democratic nominee that matches up in that department going all the way back to Carter.
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Post by nodak89 on Sept 9, 2008 11:15:02 GMT -5
Maybe she should have kept the plane if she was insisting on commuting 600 miles to work. Except she doesn't commute to work. As I understand it lots of time is spent in Anchorage (naturally) and some at home. I guess she could live full-time in the governor's mansion and charge the state for staff, a chef, utilities, etc.. I bet that would cost the state even more. You're in a rural state. You should know the travel expenses for a Governor of North Dakota, Montana, or Alaska aren't going to be cheap. Still, the numbers quoted in the story don't seem outrageous to me. If she is really just living at home and driving into Anchorage, why take the per diem? I don't see how living in your own house is a reimbursable business expense. If I attend a medical conference in town, I can't charge my company lodging and meal expenses if I eat and sleep at home. Sure, staying home and getting paid a per diem is cheaper than a conference in Washington DC during basketball season, but still not quite right in my mind. The governor of North Dakota moves to the capital. I grant you that the whole Juneau being the de jure capital and Anchorage being the de facto capital is major convoluting factor. If I were an undecided voter would this sway me? I doubt it. This, plus the not really selling the Governor's jet on eBay (she tried to sell it, but there were no takers, so she sold it offline instead) is just two interestingly similar shades of truth.
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 9, 2008 12:22:04 GMT -5
Keep mocking politicians who pray. See where that gets you. I have no problem with politicians who pray. I have problems with their using prayer and religion as a political tool. And I have SERIOUS problems with the thinking that God is like your buddy who you just shoot a quick prayer to every time you need a good grade, a touchdown, or pipeline built.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 9, 2008 12:30:12 GMT -5
How do you feel about politicians who decide toreinvent Catholic Church doctrine to rationalize their support for abortion and dare to claim it is the Church which is confused?
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Post by kchoya on Sept 9, 2008 12:39:16 GMT -5
This, plus the not really selling the Governor's jet on eBay (she tried to sell it, but there were no takers, so she sold it offline instead) is just two interestingly similar shades of truth. “That luxury jet was over the top,” Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, said to loud cheers. “I put it on eBay.” How's that shading the truth?
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Post by TC on Sept 9, 2008 12:39:59 GMT -5
Well, that and their energy plan, which would actually help with energy prices and energy independence thus helping the economy, but you can keep ignoring that if you want. Neither candidate has an "energy plan" - they have a bunch of jumbled gimmicks. Obama at least will fund his gimmicks. McCain will fund "clean" coal a little bit, he'll build nuclear, and he has made no commitment to any sort of renewable even though he keeps mentioning them. Drilling won't help us, if that's what you consider an "energy plan", god help us.
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 9, 2008 12:51:45 GMT -5
This, plus the not really selling the Governor's jet on eBay (she tried to sell it, but there were no takers, so she sold it offline instead) is just two interestingly similar shades of truth. “That luxury jet was over the top,” Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, said to loud cheers. “I put it on eBay.” How's that shading the truth? Well it didn't sell. That's sort of what she was indicating. And then, when she sold it, she lost the state money: valleywag.com/5045838/meg-whitmans-ebay-couldnt-actually-sell-sarah-palins-jet
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 9, 2008 12:57:14 GMT -5
strummer wrote: I still wish SOMEONE would explain HOW IN THE HELL she is qualified to run the country.More importantly, HOW IN THE HELL is Obama qualified to run the Country? On Edit: 1. Obama is on the top of his ticket, while Palin, as we all know, is the VP choice on hers. 2. Granted, her experience is limited, but it still far exceeds Barack's, since he doesn't have ANY. I just don't understand that particular argument. It makes zero sense. How is it not experience to be a legislator at the state and federal levels? THAT'S what makes no sense--how easily some of you laugh of being a US Senator like he's spent the last 4 years crab fishing.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 9, 2008 13:02:12 GMT -5
Acvtually, he's spent the last 4 years running for President.
He also voted present over 130 times in the Illinois Senate.
And he managed to kill legislation that would protect the lives of infants who survive late-term abortions.
All in all, he's been busy.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 9, 2008 13:14:26 GMT -5
strummer wrote: I still wish SOMEONE would explain HOW IN THE HELL she is qualified to run the country.More importantly, HOW IN THE HELL is Obama qualified to run the Country? On Edit: 1. Obama is on the top of his ticket, while Palin, as we all know, is the VP choice on hers. 2. Granted, her experience is limited, but it still far exceeds Barack's, since he doesn't have ANY. I just don't understand that particular argument. It makes zero sense. How is it not experience to be a legislator at the state and federal levels? THAT'S what makes no sense--how easily some of you laugh of being a US Senator like he's spent the last 4 years crab fishing. He's written two books about himself and no legislation of any import. I think that says it all.
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 9, 2008 13:21:26 GMT -5
And Sarah has been billing her constituents to live at home? www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090803088.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR That's a maverick alright. Also, I don't have a source on this b/c I don't remember where I saw it, but to my knowledge, a vote of "Present" in the Illinois legislature DOES NOT mean what it would mean in Congress. It indicates a willingness to vote in favor of a bill but with reservations or modifications. Anyone on here know more about that? Can you guys tell me one thing Sarah Palin has ever had to decide that is related to either (a) an urban community or (b) a major agricultural community?
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Post by Elvado on Sept 9, 2008 13:25:29 GMT -5
No reply on the saving of infant lives?
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Post by hifigator on Sept 9, 2008 13:37:29 GMT -5
strummer, we aren't going to agree on Palin. Let's just both understand that and move on. If you want to discuss her issues that's fine. But to ask what she has done to justify being President is just patently absurd. First off, she isn't running for President! Secondly, she has been a mayor and is currently a Governor. Regardless of the size of the town or state, that is more of a resume for President than being a state Senator and a first term US Senator. I just don't see how you can argue that. And once again remember that Obama is actually running for President.
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 9, 2008 13:43:20 GMT -5
No reply on the saving of infant lives? To be honest, I haven't looked at that enough to know what was actually going on there. If I recall correctly, I believe I remember an argument that he voted as he did b/c of something to do w/ not having any provisions concerning the health/safety of the mother. Also, last time I heard this debated, there was some dispute over the fact that there were two statutes involved and which one said what. Do you have any links to non-right wing, non-ideological, somewhat neutral article on it? Regardless of that vote, Obama's public position on abortion has been exactly what this country has needed for a long time: someone to acknowledge the massive common ground in which many people support abortions in SOME circumstances but want the numbers reduced and want incentives, services, etc. in order to reduce the numbers.
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Post by hoyatables on Sept 9, 2008 13:59:17 GMT -5
No reply on the saving of infant lives? Not everyone wants to take the bait. Yes abortion is an important issue with significant moral, ethical, scientific, and other questions. But not everyone believes -- as you clearly do since it appears in many of your political posts -- that it is the litmus test that should be the end all and be all of a politician's worthiness.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 9, 2008 14:00:22 GMT -5
No reply on the saving of infant lives? To be honest, I haven't looked at that enough to know what was actually going on there. If I recall correctly, I believe I remember an argument that he voted as he did b/c of something to do w/ not having any provisions concerning the health/safety of the mother. Also, last time I heard this debated, there was some dispute over the fact that there were two statutes involved and which one said what. Do you have any links to non-right wing, non-ideological, somewhat neutral article on it? Regardless of that vote, Obama's public position on abortion has been exactly what this country has needed for a long time: someone to acknowledge the massive common ground in which many people support abortions in SOME circumstances but want the numbers reduced and want incentives, services, etc. in order to reduce the numbers. Strummer,if you spent half the time looking for the story of Obama and his votes to uphold the right of a woman to allow her baby to die after a failed abortion as you have on subjects such as the billing of constituents and the selling of the jet, you might learn something and you might find out what Obama voted for was infanticide.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 9, 2008 14:02:38 GMT -5
Ther is no justification, moral, scientific, ethical or legal, for allowing babies to die after they have "inadvertently" survived that heinous procedure.
He killed the bill in committee just like the infants he failed to protect.
He's going to roll back the seas and heal the planet while watching babies die.
I don't judge him. I leave that to someone much more qualified.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Sept 9, 2008 14:03:12 GMT -5
That's great. Maybe if we have Palin in the White House, she can just pray for the economy to improve. Considering the only proposal that she and Johnny offered at the convention was making the Bush tax-cuts permanent, I guess praying is a big part of the plan. Well, that and their energy plan, which would actually help with energy prices and energy independence thus helping the economy, but you can keep ignoring that if you want. McCain's energy plan from my understanding: Drill, drill, drill and continue to give the oil companies tax breaks. That sounds like a real long term solution to our energy problem, doesn't it?
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Post by hifigator on Sept 9, 2008 14:08:13 GMT -5
McCain is strongly for increasing nuclear energy. It is tremendously underutilized. Newer technology makes it incredibly safe. Additionally, he is for expanding research and funding for alternative/renewable sources such as solar and wind.
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Post by hoyatables on Sept 9, 2008 14:08:33 GMT -5
Except she doesn't commute to work. As I understand it lots of time is spent in Anchorage (naturally) and some at home. I guess she could live full-time in the governor's mansion and charge the state for staff, a chef, utilities, etc.. I bet that would cost the state even more. You're in a rural state. You should know the travel expenses for a Governor of North Dakota, Montana, or Alaska aren't going to be cheap. Still, the numbers quoted in the story don't seem outrageous to me. If she is really just living at home and driving into Anchorage, why take the per diem? I don't see how living in your own house is a reimbursable business expense. If I attend a medical conference in town, I can't charge my company lodging and meal expenses if I eat and sleep at home. Sure, staying home and getting paid a per diem is cheaper than a conference in Washington DC during basketball season, but still not quite right in my mind. The governor of North Dakota moves to the capital. I grant you that the whole Juneau being the de jure capital and Anchorage being the de facto capital is major convoluting factor. If I were an undecided voter would this sway me? I doubt it. This, plus the not really selling the Governor's jet on eBay (she tried to sell it, but there were no takers, so she sold it offline instead) is just two interestingly similar shades of truth. I read the Post article today expecting to find a massive scandal based on the headline but realizing about halfway through that there probably wasn't anything too out of the ordinary about her expenses. I think there's a bit of rationalizing on her part -- I didn't accept x so it was okay to charge for y -- but I suspect that a comparison to the other 49 governors would show relatively normal behavior here. (A truly unbiased piece should have at least attempted to draw some comparison to other governors.)It's not like she used state funds to stay in a hotel room and then sleep with a call girl. That all said, someone should probably take a look at her federal tax returns. Some of the things that she expensed to the state are, if I recall correctly, items that you may not be able to write off as business expenses.
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