Best Shooter in Hoya History?

[idhoya]

For me: Sleepy

[TBird41]

Roy

He never missed a three pointer.

[SirSaxa]

Jul 10, 2008 15:18:28 GMT -5 idhoya said:

For me: Sleepy

ID. you are REALLY on a roll with all these historical perspective debates!
Guess you want to fire up the summer time board?

Well, you won't get any controversies started with me on this one.
Sleepy. And I don't think it's close.

[SFHoya99]

I don't know how Jon isn't close. I know Sleepy was pre-3 point shot, but Jon had a significantly better FT %. I know he couldn't create like Sleepy, but if we're talking shooter, I'm just not sure how they aren't in the same discussion.

[idhoya]

Interestingly, although I picked Sleepy, he wasn't the first person to come to mind. That was actually Smitty. He was unorthodoxed as hell, but the shots just went in. I also think had Victor Page been able to make through he may have become a better shooter than the man from Gastonia, NC. What was most impressive to me about Vic was the elevation he got when shooting. Saxa, what you think?

Btw, this and recruiting gets me through at least until college football starts.

[SFHoya99]

Vic was not a good shooter. He would have had to improve a lot just to get in the discussion. Pure volume. Still one of my favorite players, though.

[idhoya]

I disagree SF. His shot selection was bad, but he could stroke it.

[HoyaChris]

Best Shooter

While moving - Sleepy
Catch and shoot - Jon Wallace
While falling - Charles Smith
Best mid-range shooter - Derrick Jackson

[idhoya]

Way to break it down HoyaChris! Good to see yall are with me doing no work!

LOL on Smitty-Falling down. He was unstoppable versus Ohio State.

[Fan Of The Game]

Eric Myles. Well, maybe if he had gotten contacts.

Sleepy

[sleepyjackson21]

1. Sleepy 2. Reggie 3. Jon. Surprised nobody has mentioned Reggie. He was pretty good.

[757hoyafan]

Chico...........

[idhoya]

Daymond Jackson

[hifigator]

Teddy Dupay

[calhoya]

Reggie hands down. Then Sleepy and Page.

[prhoya]

In general: Sleepy

[SirSaxa]

Jul 10, 2008 15:40:01 GMT -5 idhoya said:

Interestingly, although I picked Sleepy, he wasn't the first person to come to mind. That was actually Smitty. He was unorthodoxed as hell, but the shots just went in. I also think had Victor Page been able to make through he may have become a better shooter than the man from Gastonia, NC. What was most impressive to me about Vic was the elevation he got when shooting. Saxa, what you think?

Btw, this and recruiting gets me through at least until college football starts.

Charles Smith senior year shooting stats
FG 222-446 = 49.8%
FT 137-175 = 78.2%

Smitty Career -- 45.7%

Jon Wallace
Career FG -- 46.4%
Career 3FG -- 43.4%
Career FT - 82%

Sleepy
Career FG -- 49.6%
Career FT -- 77.4%

Sleepy FG years 1-4
Frosh 45.6% 16.6 ppg
Soph 55.4% 18.7
JR 46.7% 19.0
Sr. 50.4% 16.7



Total FG, FGA, PPG
Jon W. 421 907 9.2
Charles 504 1103 11.1
Sleepy 909 1834 17.7


OK, you guys made me do some thinking and some research.
The research helps, but stats only tell so much.
But the thinking process made me try to justify my feelings to myself first, then here in this post. I still come down on the side of Sleepy as the best ever, but maybe by not as big a margin as my "gut" had it.

Smitty had a couple awesome years as a Jr and Sr.
And yes, he did seem to hit every big shot.

Jon W. was a very consistent shooter as was mentioned, for 2s and 3s, and FTs.

But Jon played in an offense designed to get open, easy shots and was often the # 4 or 5 option. Never the first option (I am talking game and season, not a particular play like the one that was designed to get him that 3 that tied UNC).

As a shooter behind a screen he was amazing. But Jon couldn't shoot on the run and had great trouble trying to create his own shot. Jon couldn't "take over" a game. Jon couldn't create a shot on his own as time was running out. Sleepy did all of those things many times over his four years at GU. In his Jr and Sr. seasons, Smitty did too. Jon played within himself and his capabilities and had Superb shot selection.

Sleepy was his team's leading scorer all four years and the focus of opposing teams' defense. He played on the awesome defensive teams of Pops prime and flourished in the helter skelter pace, but did not have the benefit of playing in the sophisticated offenses of JT3. Sleepy is the leading scorer in GU history. Jon finished 2nd all time in FT % at GU at 82.0%. Sleepy finished #11 at 77.4%.

An interesting aside, Sleepy finished #2 all time in minutes played -- 4,342 in 130 games, or 33.4 minutes

Jon finished #5 all time at 4,155 in 136 games for 30.6.

Both guys started every game in the GU careers.


So given all that, Sleepy's role in the offense, GU's all time leading scorer, his 49.6% career shooting average, his ability to create and to score from anywhere in any way, his position as option #1 with all the pressure on him, and the beauty of his stroke....

I have to go with Sleepy as the best shooter in Hoya History.

Incidentally, Derrick Jackson finished with a career shooting % of 49.2, right behind Sleepy's 49.4. Freddie Brown was at 52.8%, but I would not put him ahead of the other two guys.

[sleepy]

I am surprised no one has chosen the most obvious answer: Roy Hibbert. 100% from three and 65%+ from the floor.

[SirSaxa]

Victor, in his second year, WAS the GU offense all by himself. And he was under orders from JT to shoot. So yes, his shot selection was bad. But that's part of being a good shooter, and he didn't have that part down.

Sure was fun to watch and could hit from anywhere. That BET game his freshman year? wow!

[SirSaxa]

Jul 10, 2008 15:48:17 GMT -5 HoyaChris said:

Best Shooter

While moving - Sleepy
Catch and shoot - Jon Wallace
While falling - Charles Smith
Best mid-range shooter - Derrick Jackson

Very interesting answer.

But what about "overall"?