ephoya04
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Post by ephoya04 on May 20, 2008 20:46:49 GMT -5
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Post by strummer8526 on May 20, 2008 21:52:59 GMT -5
Last year, I don't think ANYONE had Jeff higher than 7 or 8. Most had him in the 12-15 area. I'm not saying that Ford is wrong or that Roy will jump up like Jeff did. But it's possible.
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HoNYaSaxa
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Post by HoNYaSaxa on May 20, 2008 22:12:48 GMT -5
Sucks that the Sonics fell out of reach of picking Rose. Wonder if they'll package the 4th and 24th pick to Miami to move up to #2 in the event that Chicago takes Beasley at #1.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on May 20, 2008 22:55:56 GMT -5
I know that it is petty to care what ford thinks and roy is gone to the nba, but i still dont like this whole "roy cant play 40 minutes" b.s. He CAN play 40 minutes, just because he didnt did not mean he cant! no he cant run the floor but he can play more than 26 minutes a game (as long as he isnt fouling)
ok im done
I just hope that where ever he goes they appreciate his talent and want him there. I dont want him to go to a team who is picking "best available" then having him ride the bench his first year, that would up set me.
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moe09
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Post by moe09 on May 21, 2008 2:19:01 GMT -5
Since I see the Bulls taking Beasley with the first pick I can still see the Sonics trying to slide up to the #2 spot to nab Derrick Rose.
As for Roy going to Utah, I think it would definitely be a good fit for him. He could come in immediately and start stealing minutes from Mehmet Okur. As for the 40 minutes knock, not really a big deal just a stupid comment by Ford. What do you expect from the guy who says Donte Greene could be a "Shawn Marion" type combo forward?
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Post by NickSixers on May 21, 2008 6:18:32 GMT -5
Since I see the Bulls taking Beasley with the first pick I can still see the Sonics trying to slide up to the #2 spot to nab Derrick Rose. As for Roy going to Utah, I think it would definitely be a good fit for him. He could come in immediately and start stealing minutes from Mehmet Okur. As for the 40 minutes knock, not really a big deal just a stupid comment by Ford. What do you expect from the guy who says Donte Greene could be a "Shawn Marion" type combo forward? I don't see how the Bulls take Beasley without making a few trades before the draft. I don't think you can take Ty Thomas, Noah, and Beasley in three straight drafts when the upgrade from Hinrich to Rose would be substantial. I was also disappointed when the Sonics came up in #4. Adding Rose to that team would've been ridiculous. I think the best case for Roy is that he gets in workouts against some of these other centers (Kofas, etc.) and plays well. People seem to forget all the good games he's played and are only focusing on his drawbacks.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on May 21, 2008 7:37:58 GMT -5
Good fit team wise but Roy might have a tough time becoming Govenor of Utah.
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moe09
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Post by moe09 on May 21, 2008 7:56:36 GMT -5
You take Beasley because Beasley is a 3 in the NBA, he's not a 4. Noah plays the 5 and Tyrus Thomas plays the 4. Plus, it's Drew Gooden who plays the 4 either way. I think it's more justifiable to get rid of Andres Nocioni, or at least move him to a backup spot for Beasley, than to get rid of Hinrich, who's got a big contract, and put him behind Rose. Unless you get rid of Hinrich's 11.5 mil contract, which I don't think is likely, you can't justify putting his ass on the bench. You can, however, justify benching Nocioni.
Plus, for Derrick to thrive he's gonna need someone to pass the ball to. How's he going to drop dimes throwing the ball to Nocioni and Noah? Not gonna happen. The Bulls don't need a facilitator. They don't have anything to facilitate. They need someone who's going to come in, put points on the board, and grab some rebounds. I'd much rather hear "Hinrich to Beasley for 3" than "Rose to Noah for [insert any shot here]."
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Grandpa
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Post by Grandpa on May 21, 2008 8:03:06 GMT -5
I may be alone in this camp (perhaps not on the Hoyatalk board, of course), but I believe Roy will break into the top 20. I'll freely admit that I've done minimal concrete analysis/breakdown of who picks where, but I find it difficult to believe that when push comes to shove, a 7'2" center with the skills that he has displayed (even with his known shortcomings) will still be available at 23 (although I'd love to see a situation where Roy would be able to develop his game in a winning environment, such as Utah would likely be).
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Post by HoyaDestroya02 on May 21, 2008 8:21:01 GMT -5
sonics got what they deserve... a little thing called karma - i hope jeff gets off this team soon - they are going to be haunted if they move from seatown.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on May 21, 2008 8:26:34 GMT -5
When is the draft again?
I obviously know nothing about this. I guess that's a good fit for Roy, so I'd be happy if he goes there. But honestly? I don't know who about a third of these guys are.
Can I be the only one here who looks at a mock draft, tilts his head way to the side, adopts a high-pitched voice and says:
"Brook Lopez? REALLY??"
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Post by HoyaDestroya02 on May 21, 2008 8:30:25 GMT -5
Kosta Koufos ahead of Roy?
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Post by Hoya TMF on May 21, 2008 8:30:56 GMT -5
I'd love to see Roy go to Utha because I think they'd be a good fit for him. Still, I would he happy if he went to the Wizards at 18. He'd be an upgrade over Heywood in a year. I can't believe that anyone would pick the lesser Lopez over Roy. He has no offensive talent at all. I really thinkR oy will move up the board after individual workouts. We shall see.
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Post by Hoya TMF on May 21, 2008 8:46:35 GMT -5
You take Beasley because Beasley is a 3 in the NBA, he's not a 4. Noah plays the 5 and Tyrus Thomas plays the 4. Plus, it's Drew Gooden who plays the 4 either way. I think it's more justifiable to get rid of Andres Nocioni, or at least move him to a backup spot for Beasley, than to get rid of Hinrich, who's got a big contract, and put him behind Rose. Unless you get rid of Hinrich's 11.5 mil contract, which I don't think is likely, you can't justify putting his ass on the bench. You can, however, justify benching Nocioni. Plus, for Derrick to thrive he's gonna need someone to pass the ball to. How's he going to drop dimes throwing the ball to Nocioni and Noah? Not gonna happen. The Bulls don't need a facilitator. They don't have anything to facilitate. They need someone who's going to come in, put points on the board, and grab some rebounds. I'd much rather hear "Hinrich to Beasley for 3" than "Rose to Noah for [insert any shot here]." You're forgetting about Luol Deng. I think the Bulls have to take Beasley. People are really knocking Hinrich, but he was playing pretty well when Chicago was in the playoffs the two years before this one. I think having Hinrich, Gordon/Hughes, Deng, Beasley and Noah would be a great lineup. Also, even if Beasley is not as big as Ford and others keep saying he is, Boozer has thrived at 6'9" and he plays in the West where the power forwards are much bigger. Beasley will do well in the East except when playing Detroit, Boston and maybe Toronto. Then you can trade Thomas or Gooden or Nocioni or some combo to get an upgrade the point if needs be. I don't even understand why this is a debate. Even assuming Beasley and Rose are equally talented, why wouldn't the Bulls address their most glaring need. It's not like Rose is so much better than Beasley or Hinrich that the Bulls have to have him. Finally, a dominant point guard can get you to the playoffs (Nash, Paul, Kidd, Williams), but a dominant big man will get you a title (Shaq, Duncan). It's simple math. The only team that's recently won a title without a dominant big man has been Detroit, and they won without a dominant point guard either (Billups is good, but not quite elite).
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on May 21, 2008 9:08:19 GMT -5
You take Beasley because Beasley is a 3 in the NBA, he's not a 4. Noah plays the 5 and Tyrus Thomas plays the 4. Plus, it's Drew Gooden who plays the 4 either way. I think it's more justifiable to get rid of Andres Nocioni, or at least move him to a backup spot for Beasley, than to get rid of Hinrich, who's got a big contract, and put him behind Rose. Unless you get rid of Hinrich's 11.5 mil contract, which I don't think is likely, you can't justify putting his ass on the bench. You can, however, justify benching Nocioni. Plus, for Derrick to thrive he's gonna need someone to pass the ball to. How's he going to drop dimes throwing the ball to Nocioni and Noah? Not gonna happen. The Bulls don't need a facilitator. They don't have anything to facilitate. They need someone who's going to come in, put points on the board, and grab some rebounds. I'd much rather hear "Hinrich to Beasley for 3" than "Rose to Noah for [insert any shot here]." You're forgetting about Luol Deng. I think the Bulls have to take Beasley. People are really knocking Hinrich, but he was playing pretty well when Chicago was in the playoffs the two years before this one. I think having Hinrich, Gordon/Hughes, Deng, Beasley and Noah would be a great lineup. Also, even if Beasley is not as big as Ford and others keep saying he is, Boozer has thrived at 6'9" and he plays in the West where the power forwards are much bigger. Beasley will do well in the East except when playing Detroit, Boston and maybe Toronto. Then you can trade Thomas or Gooden or Nocioni or some combo to get an upgrade the point if needs be. I don't even understand why this is a debate. Even assuming Beasley and Rose are equally talented, why wouldn't the Bulls address their most glaring need. It's not like Rose is so much better than Beasley or Hinrich that the Bulls have to have him. Finally, a dominant point guard can get you to the playoffs (Nash, Paul, Kidd, Williams), but a dominant big man will get you a title (Shaq, Duncan). It's simple math. The only team that's recently won a title without a dominant big man has been Detroit, and they won without a dominant point guard either (Billups is good, but not quite elite). Capt'n Kirk is the Jeremiah Rivers of the NBA, except that instead of a good defensive player he's extremely overrated in that regard. I have no faith that the Chicago front office will do the right thing and take the hometown hero but it would be a huge upgrade if they did. I like Beastly but as the Hornets displayed, a really good point guard can make even mediocre players like Tyson Chandler look dominant [/end Bulls related rant] But back on subject I agree with whoever said it above that Roy to the Wiz would be his best fit/bet
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on May 21, 2008 9:08:42 GMT -5
moe,
you see Beasley as a 3? You think he's quick enough to guard NBA three's? I see him as strictly a four w/three skills.
Secondly, I'd agree that Roy would fit in Utah, if the Jazz were still the Stockton/Malone Jazz of the 80's and 90's. You can see Utah trying to get quicker with D Will and Brewer in the backcourt. They have to go more uptempo to stay vital in the west. I see Roy as a more highly skilled Greg Ostertag. Maybe Detroit would be a good fit cause they're a "tweener" team; they run at opportunity; plus they're undersized at the 5. He'll be gone by then though.
Let me think on this one.
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hoyasexy
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Post by hoyasexy on May 21, 2008 9:37:25 GMT -5
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moe09
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Post by moe09 on May 21, 2008 9:46:27 GMT -5
I see him at the 3 or the 4 depending on the situation. The kid has ridiculous athleticism, I don't think it's that much of a stretch to put him at the 3 if you need to. If he couldn't, I don't think he would be up this high in the draft.
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Post by youngjeezy on May 21, 2008 10:20:00 GMT -5
if the bulls take beasley, who's to say that the sonics even could trade up for the #2 pick for rose? isn't the word out of miami that they're dying to take rose and don't really care about beasley since they have shawn marion already? i think they're PRAYING the bulls take beasley, make their lives easier, and they immediately have an absurd backcourt and almost definitely a playoff team in the (l)eastern conference.
if roy gets into a workout with koufos and speights, he's going to absolutely crush them.
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aggypryd
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Post by aggypryd on May 21, 2008 10:23:25 GMT -5
Please don't let Roy go to Utah...
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