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Post by vagrant on Jan 8, 2008 11:06:37 GMT -5
Often it is the static, yet strategically positioned, Queen and Bishop that allow your Knight and Castle to shred your opponent's defenses.
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Post by Hoya TMF on Jan 8, 2008 11:12:17 GMT -5
Nobody is saying Roy should force up bad shots, but we need to face facts. Expectations have changed from last year. That's what happens when you go to a Final Four and when a team plays up to it's potential. We have seen what Roy can do. It's not like we are expecting him to do things he's not capable of doing. He can make 70% of his free throws. He can rebound and box out better than he has been, especially with the departure of Green. And we can ask more of him than we did last year. He is a senior and is supposed to have improved his game, not regressed. We can ask him to be more assertive, especially in big games.
This criticism is not an evaluation of our record, but an evaluation of how Roy has played. He's been tentative in the post. And despite being a great passer, he hasn't been able to score the ball as well as he should have. Roy was abysmal agaisnt Memphis and not very good against Rutgers. Just because we have beaten all of the bad teams we've played so far, doesn't mean that things are fine. If this team is going to be "scary good" and compete for a title, Roy is going to have to play much better than he has been. That's the bottom line.
The fact that he's a senior and has played better in the past all make this year that much more vexing. If Roy plays the way we know he can, then his draft stock won't take a hit. Here's hoping that happens sooner rather than later.
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 8, 2008 11:23:33 GMT -5
This team has ONE loss (admittedly against a weak schedule). It lost its one game in a remarkably hostile arena to a team that played out of its mind. Why do we have to blame the guards or the forwards or the center? Everyone is playing a heck of a lot better than they were doing at this point last year (when we had Green and weren't ranked at this point). Any team preparing for Georgetown has to figure out how to play Hibbert, or else he will have a monster game. I was at the Rutgers game, and Roy was consistently double-teamed. Georgetown's comeback faltered when Macklin was out there - when Roy came back, the team put the screws on. Georgetown's offense makes pre-season All-Americans pass the ball to someone else when they don't have clear shots. Roy could be forcing it and scoring twenty a game, but he usually passes out to our guards, who are clearly benefitting and knocking down threes. (Aside - Someone said that we live and die by the three. It's not true - the threes that people take aren't contested. When you have good shooters, you play the odds (see Pitino, Rick, Coaching career at Providence and Kentucky of).) I am convinced that Roy does not care about numbers - all he wants to do is win. He might not make All-America, but I'd rather have Roy on this team than any other center. Agree with this post. That said, Roy has still been a disappointment (probably the biggest?) this year. Which, obviously, ain't over yet... Compared to last year, there are fewer question marks. Wallace has turned the afterburners on, Rivers' shooting has improved, our freshmen have been excellent, and Summers is continuing to improve. Sapp's also been very good. That leaves three candidates for "disappointment". Ewing hasn't moved into a starter's role, but he seems better off the bench. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the League as an "energy" guy. Macklin has improved from last year, but he's still not able to replace Roy for long stretches. That sort of leaves Roy as the default "disappointment". He does need to improve from where he is now, but past performance leads me to expect future results.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2008 11:38:09 GMT -5
That sort of leaves Roy as the default "disappointment". He does need to improve from where he is now, but past performance leads me to expect future results. He isn't "disappointment by default," he's a disappointment because (considering who they've played and how he's played) he's been pretty average. Ewing has been a disappointment, yes. So has Macklin. Big time. But I expect more out of Roy, a supposed All-American. He should be building on where he finished last season, not starting over at zero and working his way into another strong finish. Which is why, today, he is my biggest disappointment with the Hoyas this season. The "project" is over, folks. Time to see the finished product.
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Post by hoyatables on Jan 8, 2008 12:52:06 GMT -5
Often it is the static, yet strategically positioned, Queen and Bishop that allow your Knight and Castle to shred your opponent's defenses. --vagrant Excellent point.
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mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 8, 2008 15:49:26 GMT -5
So u would allow a man to hit you in the head with something that could have seriously hurt you without doing anything about it once you got up off the ground? 1) What do you have that substantiates this story? 2) What does this have to do with Roy Hibbert? 3) What does this have to do with anything? 1. a main stream portland newspaper 2. roy is playing soft like ruben 3. if you can not connect the dots, too bad
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 8, 2008 15:53:19 GMT -5
1) The incident occurred -- it was reported somewhere legitimately. 2) Nothing. 3) Mr. Sixer apparently thinks Ruben should have gotten violent, or at least threatened it. Which pretty much complies with my opinion of his maturity level. It also demonstrates Rasheed Wallace's and Bonzi Wells' maturity level. 1. true 2. both are played/are playing soft as tissue paper 3. yes, i believe ruben needed to defend himself in some sort of fashion. he could have been killed and all he did was get up and walk out the gym. yea, thats the kind of guy i want defending the paint on my team
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Post by Boz on Jan 8, 2008 15:57:48 GMT -5
Killed? Really? Well, I suppose, you know, if he had fallen down an some pungi sticks.
Luckily, the practice was taking place in Portland, not Cambodia.
How this incident speaks negatively about RBB is beyond me.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 8, 2008 16:08:40 GMT -5
Killed? Some guy threw a ball across a basketball court and hit him in the head. Being a bit overdramatic, aren't we?
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Jan 8, 2008 16:21:48 GMT -5
3. yes, i believe ruben needed to defend himself in some sort of fashion. he could have been killed and all he did was get up and walk out the gym. yea, thats the kind of guy i want defending the paint on my team I am actually offended by this. You are seriously suggesting that RBB did something wrong by walking away from a situation like that? Are you new to this planet?
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 8, 2008 23:21:14 GMT -5
3. yes, i believe ruben needed to defend himself in some sort of fashion. he could have been killed and all he did was get up and walk out the gym. yea, thats the kind of guy i want defending the paint on my team I am actually offended by this. You are seriously suggesting that RBB did something wrong by walking away from a situation like that? Are you new to this planet? what do you think zo, pat, ralph, deke, jahidi, or even wesley would have done if this occured to them?
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Post by sbgorms on Jan 8, 2008 23:27:52 GMT -5
So you're saying Hibbert should be more like Wesley Wilson?
Perhaps once Hibbert's done that, Dejuan can aspire to be more like Trez Kilpatrick.
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Post by hoyatables on Jan 8, 2008 23:28:40 GMT -5
Hey Sixer . . . I think Roy responded the right way with his performance tonight.
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Post by hoyafoeva on Jan 8, 2008 23:31:53 GMT -5
I hope everyone is be satisfied, I am...no injuries fo Roy, no dragging, sagging, regressing,etc...He and Austin worked real well together, Austin was comfortably feed the post and motivating Roy
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mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 8, 2008 23:34:24 GMT -5
Killed? Some guy threw a ball across a basketball court and hit him in the head. Being a bit overdramatic, aren't we? the force of the ball knocked him to floor instantly. as a result, i do not believe it is a stretch to think a blow with such force to his temple could have been fatal. if it was that minor, why did the team physicians rush to him after he was hit? additionally: Force required to cause fracture: is very varible and depends on the thickness of the hair, scalp and skull, upon which part of the skull is struck, the direction of impact and other imponderables. Skull fracture can result from merely walking into a fixed obstruction (73Newtons or 5 foot pounds), from the 4.5 kg adult head falling from a height of 1 metre onto a hard surface (510 N), the head falling from a standing position (873 N), running into a obstruction (1020 N) or a 100g golf ball or stone thrown with moderate force against the temple.www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/notes/heading.pdf------------------------------------------------------- "Sports-Related Head Injury July, 2006 Although sports injuries contribute to fatalities infrequently, the leading cause of death from sports-related injuries is traumatic brain injury. Sports and recreational activities contribute to about 21 percent of all traumatic brain injuries among American children and adolescents. Traumatic Brain Injury A traumatic brain injury (TBI) is defined as a blow or jolt to the head or a penetrating head injury that disrupts the normal function of the brain. TBI can result when the head suddenly and violently hits an object, or when an object pierces the skull and enters brain tissue. Symptoms of a TBI can be mild, moderate, or severe, depending on the extent of damage to the brain. Mild cases may result in a brief change in mental state or consciousness, while severe cases may result in extended periods of unconsciousness, coma, or even death. Incidence The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) tracks product-related injuries through its National Injury Information Clearinghouse. According to the CPSC, there were an estimated 319,339 sports-related head injuries treated at U.S. hospital emergency rooms in 2006. The actual incidence of head injuries is potentially much higher, as many of these injuries are treated at physician’s offices, immediate care centers, or self-treated. Included in these statistics are not only the sports/recreational activities, but the equipment and apparel used in these activities. For example, swimming-related injuries include the activity as well as diving boards, equipment, flotation devices, pools, and water slides. The following 20 sports/recreational activities represent the categories contributing to the highest number of estimated head injuries treated in U.S. hospital emergency rooms in 2006. Cycling: 65,319 Powered Recreational Vehicles (ATVs, Dune Buggies, Go-Carts, Mini bikes, Off-road): 28,585 Football: 34,658 Basketball: 25,788 www.neurosurgerytoday.org/what/patient_e/sports.asp--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 8, 2008 23:45:30 GMT -5
Hey Sixer . . . I think Roy responded the right way with his performance tonight. i agree, and no one on the planet was happier to see him perform the way he did tonight!!!!!!!!!! IMO, his consistency will allow everyone else to play to their natural strengths instead of trying to do things out of character to attempt to pick up the slack for Roy when he struggles as he had this season. lets hope his prior play this season is behind us so i can find a new hornets nest to agitate.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 8, 2008 23:46:26 GMT -5
Killed? Some guy threw a ball across a basketball court and hit him in the head. Being a bit overdramatic, aren't we? the force of the ball knocked him to floor instantly. as a result, i do not believe it is a stretch to think a blow with such force to his temple could have been fatal. if it was that minor, why did the team physicians rush to him after he was hit? additionally: "Sports-Related Head Injury July, 2006 Although sports injuries contribute to fatalities infrequently, the leading cause of death from sports-related injuries is traumatic brain injury. Sports and recreational activities contribute to about 21 percent of all traumatic brain injuries among American children and adolescents. Traumatic Brain Injury A traumatic brain injury (TBI) is defined as a blow or jolt to the head or a penetrating head injury that disrupts the normal function of the brain. TBI can result when the head suddenly and violently hits an object, or when an object pierces the skull and enters brain tissue. Symptoms of a TBI can be mild, moderate, or severe, depending on the extent of damage to the brain. Mild cases may result in a brief change in mental state or consciousness, while severe cases may result in extended periods of unconsciousness, coma, or even death. Incidence The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) tracks product-related injuries through its National Injury Information Clearinghouse. According to the CPSC, there were an estimated 319,339 sports-related head injuries treated at U.S. hospital emergency rooms in 2006. The actual incidence of head injuries is potentially much higher, as many of these injuries are treated at physician’s offices, immediate care centers, or self-treated. Included in these statistics are not only the sports/recreational activities, but the equipment and apparel used in these activities. For example, swimming-related injuries include the activity as well as diving boards, equipment, flotation devices, pools, and water slides. The following 20 sports/recreational activities represent the categories contributing to the highest number of estimated head injuries treated in U.S. hospital emergency rooms in 2006. Cycling: 65,319 Powered Recreational Vehicles (ATVs, Dune Buggies, Go-Carts, Mini bikes, Off-road): 28,585 Football: 34,658 Basketball: 25,788 www.neurosurgerytoday.org/what/patient_e/sports.asp-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Force required to cause fracture: is very varible and depends on the thickness of the hair, scalp and skull, upon which part of the skull is struck, the direction of impact and other imponderables. Skull fracture can result from merely walking into a fixed obstruction (73Newtons or 5 foot pounds), from the 4.5 kg adult head falling from a height of 1 metre onto a hard surface (510 N), the head falling from a standing position (873 N), running into a obstruction (1020 N) or a 100g golf ball or stone thrown with moderate force against the temple. www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/notes/heading.pdfThanks, Bill Nye. Next, I'd like to bust the myth of the lights all exploding at the end of The Natural. I was in agreement w/ some of your criticisms of Roy, but to encourage any of our players to start brawling while in the NBA is kind of an absurd step to take. I don't think any of us know ANY details about the dynamics between RBB and his teammates, so it's just too wild a step for us to speculate about whether he should have "defended himself." For all we know, they apologized to him, he addressed it like a man, and they moved on.
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Jan 8, 2008 23:49:40 GMT -5
I am actually offended by this. You are seriously suggesting that RBB did something wrong by walking away from a situation like that? Are you new to this planet? what do you think zo, pat, ralph, deke, jahidi, or even wesley would have done if this occured to them? What is your point? Are you honestly saying you are disappointed that a former Georgetown player didn't get in a fight over an absurdly stupid incident in a practice? Please don't come onto a Georgetown board and advocate for our players, current or former, to stoop to the level of clowns like Wallace & Wells.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 8, 2008 23:50:40 GMT -5
So you're saying Hibbert should be more like Wesley Wilson? Perhaps once Hibbert's done that, Dejuan can aspire to be more like Trez Kilpatrick. 1. in terms of having "onions?" yes, i would like to see Roy have more of a mean streak along with many others on the board. 2. your Dejuan comment is simply asinine
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 8, 2008 23:55:30 GMT -5
what do you think zo, pat, ralph, deke, jahidi, or even wesley would have done if this occured to them? What is your point? Are you honestly saying you are disappointed that a former Georgetown player didn't get in a fight over an absurdly stupid incident in a practice? Please don't come onto a Georgetown board and advocate for our players, current or former, to stoop to the level of clowns like Wallace & Wells. i do not need to advocate it. you may want to check some nba tapes of pat, deke and zo when they felt they needed to defend themselves. zo: does the heat/knicks PO series with zo and lj ring a bell? pat: Ewing was fined $6,000 by the National Basketball Association for his actions in Wednesday's fight with Detlef Schrempf of the Indiana Pacers. But because none of his punches landed, and because no one was injured, he avoided a suspension. Ewing said he would request that his fine money be donated to AIDS research query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE2D8163EF935A25752C1A967958260
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