GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 13, 2005 12:30:38 GMT -5
Shimmy I was going to say a 'Cuse grad, but most of the spelling is correct so a seventh grader is about right.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Jan 13, 2005 12:47:54 GMT -5
Not funny --- in very poor taste --- and another stab at a guy who gave the better part of his professional life to Georgetown. I find it funny how many people who couldn't wait to get rid of Craig can't pass up the opportunity to keep dragging him over the coals. As the Hoya program and JT III now give us glimpses of what looks like a very bright future - why can't people just let it go - it's over. Let's spend our energy on constructive forward looking things. And not that Craig would grant such an interview, but this story could have been extremely interesting if the writer could have convinced Craig to really update us on his life after Georgetown. That would have been some aggressive journalism.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Jan 13, 2005 12:51:46 GMT -5
Let's just remember that this was one writer's attempt at humor. Although he failed, it's still The Voice and not a Camille Powell WP article.
Go St. Paul's!
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 13, 2005 12:55:15 GMT -5
agree with the way fotp and the others escherick was a hoya thru and thru i love jy3 and what hes doing but nobody out there should diss esh...he gave his life to gu he did give jeff green remember remember jeff green not a bad recruit who will be rookie of the year in the big east unless there is graft and corruption.. so lay off esh guys hes probably donee more for gu than most of you all handing out the downer commetns weve moved on jt3 is great but esh was alot of gu history the shot assistant coach who did most of the recruiting and went to two final fours a little respect and class would be appreciated go hoyas beat nova
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 13, 2005 12:57:22 GMT -5
A garbage article.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 13, 2005 13:00:24 GMT -5
...published in the appropriate venue for such.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 13, 2005 13:48:08 GMT -5
I dislike Esherick about as much as anyone on this board, but let's keep him out of the papers with these sorts of articles/editorials/rants/parodies and move forward. Fine if you want to do an update on his new role as an AOL analyst, but he has probably taken enough licks in the press with this sort of stuff.
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Post by michiganhoya on Jan 13, 2005 13:54:45 GMT -5
I think you guys need to lighten up a little. Granted the piece was not that funny. However, if you can't pick on Esherick, who can you pick on? Let's not forget he was a terrible coach. Great guy, maybe. But a terrible coach. And, let's not forget his string of ridiculous statements that he made during the final season.
In fact, I think he, as a coach, is deserving of ridicule. I think that we, as informed writers, could do a much better job. Let's show the voice how to do parody.
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HarbinHoya
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Post by HarbinHoya on Jan 13, 2005 13:56:56 GMT -5
I agree with many on this board that the article was in poor taste. I as many might remember from my series of posts when esherick was fired am not a big fan of the man as a coach. That said, to have an article like this now, not only is cruel but also irrelevant. Why dig up old dirt and rub salt in the wounds of a guy who while not the best leader for the team gave his all to this school. I for one am going to write a letter to the voice expressing my distaste for this article becuase I think its timing and subject are uncalled for. That said, I am a former, voice writer, assistant sports editor and 4 year voice staffer who while a student took a lot of pride in what I wrote. To sum up a whole paper as garbage, call it irrelevant and disrespect it like many members of this board have done is equally as uncalled for, especially coming from some of you who moderate this site. Tons of writers on the voice staff write great articles and work their ass off each week to put out a paper that maybe goes unread but is not unappreciated by all. To write off an entire paper and staff for one article is as ridiculous as the article itself and is offensive to those of us that have put our effort into campus journalism. Matt
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hoyadrummer
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Post by hoyadrummer on Jan 13, 2005 14:14:12 GMT -5
Two points:
1. If you can't pick on Esherick who can you pick on? How about Randy Moss, Jason Giambi, the NHL players and owners, Ohio State, Tarkanian, Kenny Brunner or anyone else who has done something disreputable. All Esherick did was try to lead our team, and not have enough success.
2. I can't dismiss one Hoya's attack on another, especially one so cheap as this, simply because it was in a third rate paper. I'd be less mad if it was Ken Wright in the times, he's not family.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 13, 2005 14:18:38 GMT -5
Two points: 1. If you can't pick on Esherick who can you pick on? How about Randy Moss, Jason Giambi, the NHL players and owners, Ohio State, Tarkanian, Kenny Brunner or anyone else who has done something disreputable. All Esherick did was try to lead our team, and not have enough success. I think there are grounds to pick on Esherick given his statements and so forth that offended many students and members of the University community, but there is a time and place for everything and that time and place has passed. His offenses are of a different kind from the Tarkanians of CBB, but they are still offenses. GU is moving on up and Esherick has found something else to do for the time being.
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KHoyaNYC
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 13, 2005 14:21:50 GMT -5
i still don't see why it's such a huge deal. It's The freakin' Voice. Esherick was our coach. He performed poorly and, perhaps more importantly, he said some things he probably shouldn't have. So, The Voice decided to poke some fun at him. I know he's no longer our coach. I know he is a dedicated guy to the school. But, a parody from a student newspaper doesn't offend me., nor do i think it's wrong.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 13, 2005 14:23:30 GMT -5
"If you can't pick on Esherick, who can you pick on"
Well, the Voice. ;D
Okay, Harbin, I'm just having some fun. There are plenty of good articles in the Voice, but it still isn't as good as the Gonzo.
Oh, and for the person who joked that they should go back to reviewing indy bands: the Voice today has a reivew of Belle & Sebastian.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 13, 2005 14:24:11 GMT -5
Two points: 1. If you can't pick on Esherick who can you pick on? How about Randy Moss, Jason Giambi, the NHL players and owners, Ohio State, Tarkanian, Kenny Brunner or anyone else who has done something disreputable. All Esherick did was try to lead our team, and not have enough success. 2. I can't dismiss one Hoya's attack on another, especially one so cheap as this, simply because it was in a third rate paper. I'd be less mad if it was Ken Wright in the times, he's not family. Amen Brotha. Amen!
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 13, 2005 14:33:48 GMT -5
I agree with many on this board that the article was in poor taste. I as many might remember from my series of posts when esherick was fired am not a big fan of the man as a coach. That said, to have an article like this now, not only is cruel but also irrelevant. Why dig up old dirt and rub salt in the wounds of a guy who while not the best leader for the team gave his all to this school. I for one am going to write a letter to the voice expressing my distaste for this article becuase I think its timing and subject are uncalled for. That said, I am a former, voice writer, assistant sports editor and 4 year voice staffer who while a student took a lot of pride in what I wrote. To sum up a whole paper as garbage, call it irrelevant and disrespect it like many members of this board have done is equally as uncalled for, especially coming from some of you who moderate this site. Tons of writers on the voice staff write great articles and work their ass off each week to put out a paper that maybe goes unread but is not unappreciated by all. To write off an entire paper and staff for one article is as ridiculous as the article itself and is offensive to those of us that have put our effort into campus journalism. Matt Matt: I apologize if I personally offended you - that was not my intent. Frankly, your writing was one of the bright spots about the paper in recent years. However, the piece was quite poorly written and frankly not funny on its own merits regardless of your opinion of the former coach. The piece never would have passed the editorial staff at my high school paper - I would have expected the Voice to have higher standards. That in itself reflects poorly on the paper and its current leadership. I agree completely with you that the timing and subject of the piece were both uncalled for and distasteful. Dan
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 13, 2005 14:40:29 GMT -5
i still don't see why it's such a huge deal. It's The freakin' Voice. Esherick was our coach. He performed poorly and, perhaps more importantly, he said some things he probably shouldn't have. So, The Voice decided to poke some fun at him. I know he's no longer our coach. I know he is a dedicated guy to the school. But, a parody from a student newspaper doesn't offend me., nor do i think it's wrong. I think part of the reason for the criticism is that the article is as harsh and vindictive as almost anything that has been written on here, PBR included and maybe Van excluded. Hoya fans just want to move on, I think, and experience the JT3 era.
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hoyahoyasaxa
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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Jan 13, 2005 14:48:39 GMT -5
I think part of the reason for the criticism is that the article is as harsh and vindictive as almost anything that has been written on here, PBR included and maybe Van excluded. Hoya fans just want to move on, I think, and experience the JT3 era. Agreed. Never liked Esh as a coach, and disliked him as a person after his comments directly prior to him being fired. However, I know he tried his best to win, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that those comments he made were comments made by a man who felt threatened by increasing criticism. Glad he's gone. Glad he's found another job, and wish him the best in his future endeavors-- as one Hoya to another. Even more glad we have JTIII. Now let's move on and GO HOYAS!
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HarbinHoya
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Post by HarbinHoya on Jan 13, 2005 15:00:50 GMT -5
Dan, Thanks for the apology. I didn't mean to come off as being really Editeded or anything. I think there are a lot of improvements that could be made to all of the campus papers as well as better choices article wise. This one was clearly not a bright spot for the voice and hopefully they will hear that from their readers. In terms of those on the board commenting on esherick as a target for satire. I agree that there are certainly things that can be said and criticisms that can be made and Im sure the writer in this case thought that the article would be taken as humor and not in a spiteful way. I take issue with three things however. The first is timing which many have talked about. This article has no place now and seems done out of a lack of other topics to write about which should not be the case considering the successes as of late. Second, it gives a wrong and classless assesment of craig's firing, which while meant to be funny doesnt highlight at all the difficulty with which the decision was made. And finally, why is there a need to follow esherick and taunt him even now. This is a subject that has been discussed to death and im sure that craig has received plenty of criticism, the majority of which are personal attacks like this one. Why wouldnt we want to root for craig in his new position and hope that his success leads to gtown looking better in future players eyes, maybe even some that happen to be in 8th grade right now. It sure cant help our cause to point out our previous failures. For all of these reasons, the article falls short of its goal and is a waste of space that could have been dedicated to something else. On a final note, I appreciate the compliment on my writing although I must say its undeserved. If one good thing has come out of this whole thing its that I dont think there has ever been a voice article that has prompted this much discussion, thats for sure. Matt
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jan 13, 2005 15:05:46 GMT -5
A few points here:
1) Let's remove Esh from this whole Hoya basketball coach thing and see if this was in good taste. Let's call him "Bob from payroll" - let's say Bob from payroll cam highly recommended and did a fairly good job, but turnover being what it is in payroll - didn't bring in a very good staff and payroll started to lag behind the other divisions. So Bob got fired. Payroll is doing better - in fact they brought in the son of the guy who used to run payroll and he's doing a great job (he's even got an Ivy League degree). Is it in poor taste to circulate a memo 10 monts later rehashing how much Bob sucked? Yes.
2) It's the GEORGETOWN VOICE that's writing this. If anyone has read the Voice's sports section, then you will know that the Voice doesn't care as much about sports as it does its liberal editorial perspective, which as YB knows I think isn't all too bad of a perspective ... Nevertheless, the Voice is more suited to covering the latest Euro-bubblegum-pop group that is appearing at the Black Cat. They no longer even cover the 9:30 Club because its become too main stream - that should tell you how quirky their perspective has become.
3) Did Esh say some stuff that Editeded me off before he got fired? Yes. Was I happy the rally that YB and I worked on got him fired? Yes. Do I think the comments he made then can be taken as justification for us still making vindictive comments today? NO. It's 10 months later - we need to let this go - the guy was trying to keep his job - let it go and focus on the current program, which still has some flaws, but has a lot going for it.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 13, 2005 15:18:36 GMT -5
Was I happy the rally that YB and I worked on got him fired? Yes. WOW!!!!! Now THAT is something. That is worst than what was written in the Georgtown Voice Article.
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