mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Dec 2, 2007 13:09:06 GMT -5
On a scale of 1-10, how would you rate roy's play thus far?
I give him a 4. He seems to get winded too frequently, he misses way too many 2 feet putback and he is not the take charge leader I thought he would be. Roy, you are over 7 feet tall, dunk the da*n ball on someone's head!!!! Enough with the soft putbacks
Step your game up, roy!!!!!!
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Dec 2, 2007 13:12:20 GMT -5
Roy's working hard on the inside in the two games I've been able to watch. We have no consistent way (yet) to feed him with entry passes.
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Post by afalcon10 on Dec 2, 2007 13:14:50 GMT -5
Our guards need to feed him more. I know zones and man defenses are collapsing but there have still been numerous chances to dump down that have been passed up this season.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Dec 2, 2007 13:28:40 GMT -5
Our guards need to feed him more. I know zones and man defenses are collapsing but there have still been numerous chances to dump down that have been passed up this season. Ok, but what does that have to do with his poor conditioning and soft play around the rim? When he gets a rebound he is pump faking, bringing the ball down and going for layups instead dunking on a smaller defender The guards have nothing to do with that. He seems to have lost the aggression he gained last season. He is a senior, he is the big man, if the guards aren't getting him the ball when and where he wants it, grab one of them and tell them to give me the ball!! Enough with this gentle giant fiasco!!
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Dec 2, 2007 13:31:35 GMT -5
To a certain extent I agree with you, Sixer. I'd like to see Roy get firm with some players who aren't performing like they are capable or have practiced. But at the same time, this is a team game and he can't pass himself the ball down low.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Dec 2, 2007 13:40:51 GMT -5
To a certain extent I agree with you, Sixer. I'd like to see Roy get firm with some players who aren't performing like they are capable or have practiced. But at the same time, this is a team game and he can't pass himself the ball down low. No, he can't pass it to himself, but he can grab someone up and tell them, "look, I did not pass up millions for you to act like you do not see me asking for the ball!! Now, throw me the da*n ball or we are going to have a problem!" U don't think pat, zo and deke did this? And again, once he gets a rebound he needs to go up strong and dunk on people!! If they put their arm in the way, break it off!!!! Right now he is playing soft just like ruben!!!!
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Post by SoCal Hoya85 on Dec 2, 2007 14:02:09 GMT -5
I agree with FL's assesment it was a combination of factors why Roy had a bad game against Fairfield. When I was at the game I was struck by how Roy wasn't fighting to get position at times, whether this was because he was tired or just tired of not getting the ball I dont know.
Overall I like how Roy has played this season, but I would like to see him use his hook shot a bit more. I like the aggressiveness of his drop steps and spin moves but his hook is money and he isn't using it as much for whatever reason.
On a scale of 1-10 I would give him an 8, because I think Fairfield will be an anomaly not the rule.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 2, 2007 14:39:41 GMT -5
What are we rating him against? What's the scale here?
For what I expect out of Roy, I'll give him a 5. For a college center, I'll give him a 9.5.
Let's remember what we're talking about here. Roy is still shooting 64% and the Hoyas are #3 in defensive 2-pt percentage and #1 in free throws surrendered because nobody wants anything to do with driving the lane on us. "Soft" or not, he's a presence on both ends of the floor.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 2, 2007 16:22:49 GMT -5
Have we lost a game yet?
My point is a complement to the post above. Roy hasn't been bad at all. I'm sure he can improve. But his lack of productivity has less been a result of being soft or of bringing the ball down than simply playing time and chances.
When we were struggling against W&M, he turned it on. He played very well early on against ODU until we called the dogs off.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 2, 2007 16:47:40 GMT -5
id say hes doing just ok..... seems to do better when the competition is better and also.... needs to be more aggressive.. slam the ball in show emotion.. also watching on of the bball college commentators the other nite who called the kansas state game he commented that the other teamates needed to feed the ball from the corners or at leasst inside the foul line and not from up front as that gives the center a much better angle going towards the hoop and he was right they make that feed immediate basket they dont harder to get good position for an easy bucket im sure jt3 knows this but we do alot of feeds from out front not indside the foul line ie eg in the corners go hoyas go roy youull be aok big guy aint lost yet ps hoyas pracitce those freaking fould shots.. ok>> need them to beat bama
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Post by hoyafoeva on Dec 2, 2007 17:04:57 GMT -5
Thank you JohnJacque you were definitely on point...you could see that clearly and you heard other fans saying give him the ball...it was funny...entry passes started getting in but refs called a very tight game against the Hoyas, but however coach T found a way and we got the win, next stop Alabama...there's really nothing else you could say about Roy, dang he's paid his dues big time and still continues. Roy has to get the touches...ohhh, by the way did you see that pass and assists Roy gave up...he does many things at different times when he touches the ball, he's like a big 7-2 guard with the passes...the refs kinda put it to Roy but as our team always does, they found a way to win...
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Post by hoyafoeva on Dec 2, 2007 17:13:03 GMT -5
thats why i've been say the whole time, last I said thats what Roy should be saying, but talking with him he sooo team oriented...but believe I think you will start to see Roy demanding the ball, believe me Roy is not trying to go out like that...he will be demanding the rock aggressively...I think coach T is really on getting Roy the ball inside at most costs because he keeps talking about that in his interviews...I know if I had a teammate who was 7-2 and an All-American, the best "true" center in college basketball that would not be an issue, we would be talking about the opposite, how beautiful the entry pass is made "consistently" to the All-American center Roy Hibbert...there were some..Rivers does a good and Jessie does a fantastic job but must do it consistently, believe me Roy will make sure everyone gets their shot...if doesn't has his he will make a beast pass and someone will lay it up or dunk, it's like you see a little of Jeff in Roy with those passes...its funny thinking about that...man i'm outta here...
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Post by hoyalawyer on Dec 2, 2007 17:45:20 GMT -5
1. Allow Roy to MOVE to the BLOCK from the top, to clear down so zones can't suction to him if and when he "camps". 2. Big Fella, assert yourself more once on the block. Some of it is lack of entry passes, some of it is lack of him asserting his DOMINANCE and ESTABLISHMENT in the post. 3. FEED THE HUNGRY MAN... (when 1 and 2 happen, you gotta have 3 to get him the ball). 4. FINISH BIG FELLA.... no reason he should ever shoot falling away, everything should be going to the basket.
He'll be fine once rotation is cut down and guys start to click a little more. Feels like guys are pressing a little bit because the minutes are spread thin... won't be the case once the rotation is shorter (remember these guys are used to PLAYING LONG TIME, ALMOST everyone is playing less than they ever have this year. )
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 2, 2007 20:56:34 GMT -5
I love all this talk of all the 2-footers he is supposedly missing. Really? Didn't notice that. In limited minutes he's the leading scorer, rebounder, shot blocker and leads the team in fg% as well. He also doesn't turn the ball over too much and has to deal most with gimmick defenses designed to shut him down. This thread is even more ridiculous than the DaJuan thread that was started a few days ago. Roy has easily been the best player on the team so far throughout five games. If he gets a "4" then I don't want to know what the other players are getting. And his rebounding out of the gate has been better overall than this time last season.
Its early and the main players haven't been called on yet to do much and we have folks putting dow our players already. But this was the same garbage I had to read about guys like Jeff and Roy early last season too.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 2, 2007 21:30:26 GMT -5
I love all this talk of all the 2-footers he is supposedly missing. Really? Didn't notice that. In limited minutes he's the leading scorer, rebounder, shot blocker and leads the team in fg% as well. He also doesn't turn the ball over too much and has to deal most with gimmick defenses designed to shut him down. This thread is even more ridiculous than the DaJuan thread that was started a few days ago. Roy has easily been the best player on the team so far throughout five games. If he gets a "4" then I don't want to know what the other players are getting. And his rebounding out of the gate has been better overall than this time last season. Its early and the main players haven't been called on yet to do much and we have folks putting dow our players already. But this was the same garbage I had to read about guys like Jeff and Roy early last season too. Except then, it was true. At this point last year, we were 4-3 and in those three losses Jeff had 15 points and 10 turnovers. Far from the #5 pick in the draft he would become. Today, we're 5-0 and Roy has had one lackluster game in a double-digit win. Not the same at all.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 2, 2007 21:52:16 GMT -5
ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT TRYING TO GET HIM THE BALL DOWN LOW WITH ENTRY PASSES FROM BELOW THE FOUL LINE ON THE SIDES AND IN THE CORNERS TO ALLOW HIM TO GET POSITION TOWARDS THE BASKET.. SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE TO ME BUT WHAT DO I KNOW GO HOYAS GO HIBBS BEAT BAMA
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Dec 2, 2007 23:17:29 GMT -5
Roy appears to be sand-bagging - there is no way that people who just happen to be tall and play for a mid-major should be blocking Roy unless he's regressed.
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Post by dchoyafan on Dec 2, 2007 23:41:20 GMT -5
He's been spending a lot of time out at the top of the key, whether with the ball or setting blocks. That is generally considered a positive in the Princeton system, but only in moderation. His game isn't his handle and he simply is not going to score from out there. Keep him near the basket more and you will almost by default create more chances for the guards to feed him the ball. from there. either or he can score or dish it out to the open man if the defense collapses. He not only gets more chances to score himself but, seriously, they're not going to double team him out on the perimeter so he gets more chances to create ASSISTS as well if he stays down low more. Gotta play to his strengths, he will be a team player either way...
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Post by Eurostar on Dec 3, 2007 0:16:52 GMT -5
I love all this talk of all the 2-footers he is supposedly missing. Really? Didn't notice that. In limited minutes he's the leading scorer, rebounder, shot blocker and leads the team in fg% as well. He also doesn't turn the ball over too much and has to deal most with gimmick defenses designed to shut him down. This thread is even more ridiculous than the DaJuan thread that was started a few days ago. Roy has easily been the best player on the team so far throughout five games. If he gets a "4" then I don't want to know what the other players are getting. And his rebounding out of the gate has been better overall than this time last season. Its early and the main players haven't been called on yet to do much and we have folks putting dow our players already. But this was the same garbage I had to read about guys like Jeff and Roy early last season too. I saw this thread earlier today and figured I wouldnt respond because someone else would point out how ridiculous it was. I'm surprised it took like 10 posts of agreement before someone said anything... thanks MCI. Roy has played fine this year given the circumstances. Did anyone think that teams were going to single team him? Every team's strategy, especially the smaller teams, will be to triple team Roy and sag a zone against us to make us win from the outside. How is Roy going to score on post moves against double and triple teams from guys that are 5 inches shorter aka at his ball dribbling level? As it is, all I see is him fighting like hell for position down there and boxing out for rebounds and put-backs. You people cant just look at numbers and make blind commentary about how people need to be more assertive. If I remember correctly, there was like one time in the Fairfield game where I was genuinely concerned and it was when they were within like 4pts with 5min left. Roy called for the ball and got position, made a post move around at least 3 guys and dished to a wide open Rivers for the layin and foul. These are early "preseason" games. You'll see Roy demanding the ball when we get into big/clutch situations within the next month... i guarantee.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 3, 2007 0:17:21 GMT -5
Yep. He will be a team player. The points you made above is what some of us have been making for a couple of years but in the end III is the coach and he knows best. If Roy ws playing for III's dad he would get a touch every time on offense and would be the first, second and perhaps third option when it comes to taking a shot because he is so efficient. But III's system for better or worse, doesn't work that way and that's what folks have to remember. And III's way has worked so far. Considering the slow pace, the amount of minutes Hibbs spends on the bench and the amount of time he is setting screens on the perimeter rather than being in the paint I find his numbers across the board to be quite promising at this stage of the season.
Plus yesterday instead of feeling the need to stuff his scoring stats he was looking to draw and dish to his teammates repeatedly down the stretch. His biggest concern obviously is winning.
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