rate roy so far

[MCIGuy]

His shooting would need to improve if it was at 50% or lower. But its not. Its up there with all signs that it wil be as good as last season's..

Seriously did any of you ever catch Hoya games with Zo, Deke, Jahidi, Othella or Mike? Even when they were playing cupcakes they weren't shooting 70% plus for the early stretch of season (which Roy could actually accomplish). Often it wasn't even 60%. Even big men miss shots, including close shots.

Roy has had at least a couple of games like the Michigan contest each of the past two years in which he misses gimmes/so-called easy shots (he had one against Belmount in the first round of last season's NCAA Tournament). So did Mutombo and Mourning and Sweetney. I'm sure Ewing must have missed some too. He had too. Because Roy broke the darn Big East record for fg% shooting. So if Roy (who I'll admit relies more on finesse and kisses off the glass than power slams like, say, Zo) then obviously Ewing must have blew some close shots because his fg% wasn't any better at GU. Even against so-called inferior players from inferior programs. In the end it didn't matter. As it doesn't now.

You see that's my whole objection to this thread. If you have a legit gripe (such as his free throw shooting which has been going downhill since last season) then I can't argue too much against it. But to put this heavy emphasis on missing layups when #1 he only really missed them in one game and #2 the guy is still shooting 63%? Again no big man in either college or the pros is immune to missing their share of easy shots. Just look at the fg% of every big man. It happens.

[Highsmith]

I'm not going to come up with a number but I agree Roy has been very solid this year so far. I do not think he has been as good as he will be, however. I have only seen one game--and that was on the grainy CSTV Internet feed. I have listened to every other game and read all the articles/checked the box scores. From what I can tell, most team's strategies have been to do everything possible to stop Roy and hope the rest of the team can't beat them. Luckily for us, the rest of our team is very good too so even when they haven't been at their best--we have still won. With that in mind, I think eventually Roy will get at least a little less of other team's attention and that is when he will shine.

There are a few areas that do seem to need work- I, too, would like to see Roy get the ball in scoring position more often--whether he is to blame for this or the guards are, I can't say......it does seem he hasn't been finishing quite as well this year so far as in the past though. As noted above, I'm not really that worried about this and think it will improve as the season wears on. He clearly needs to work on FT, but the rest of the team is in the same situation. The biggest thing I'd like to see improvement in, especially in games where the other team is working hard to deny him offensive opportunities, is to see Roy become a force on the offensive glass and as many have mentioned......DUNK the ball. Roy could/should score 10+ points per game just on offensive rebounds......whether it be from putbacks or FT. Maybe this is too optimistic, but I don't think it has to be too far off.

[MCIGuy]

highsmith said:

......DUNK the ball. Roy could/should score 10+ points per game just on offensive rebounds......whether it be from putbacks or FT. Maybe this is too optimistic, but I don't think it has to be too far off.

With all due respect Mutombo was the best offensive rebounder I have ever seen at Gtown. He was also as tall as Roy but a better conditioned athlete which meant he ran the floor better and stayed in the game much longer. He played on a team that didn't play nearly as slow a pace so that gave him more opportunities to grab offensive rebounds. He never had to set picks on the perimeter so unlike Roy he could mostly stay in the paint at all times. And, to put it kindly, he played with a bunch of players who, unlike Roy's teammates, could not shoot...which meant of course even more opportunities to score off of putbacks. And despite all of this Mutombo never averaged the amount of points off of offensive (not even during his best season--is junior year) rebounds that you suggest Roy should be.

Oh, and Shaq and Duncan and Mourning didn't average 10 plus points off of offensive rebounds while in college either although playing in more uptempo offenses. And the first two are the two best big man to come though college in the last 20 years. Do some of you understand what you're asking Roy to accomplish?

[Coast2CoastHoya]

It's pretty hard to rate a guy after 5 non-NCAA tourney caliber opponents, but here goes.

After looking at his numbers, I'd rate Roy pretty high this season. With the excpetion of going 2-7 from the stripe against Balls tate, his numbers are close to or better than any he's had on the Hilltop, especially two categories he specifically said he'd improve on: rebounding and blocks. Well folks, after 5 games he's at 7.6/gm and 2.6/gm respectively, his best yet. He's also got his highest scoring average at 14.4, which also leads the team. I'm sure his early-season issues, if any tabgible issues exist other than FTs and foul trouble, will iron out, and he will step up his agressiveness. He's always struck me as the type of player who rises to the occasion; it's one of the things I like most about him.

[hoyafoeva]

I think with so many opposing players packed around Roy, give Roy no look passes up high, I sure would love to see his vertical, something we don't see consistently like we should, something he can do very well. I guarantee you if Roy puts that left hand or right hand up towards the basket depending on which position he's in, "throw the ball UP and throw towards the basket, you will see Roy stretched out pulling jumping straight and getting the ball and dunking on someones head, if he doesn't get the dunk, he will get fouled. I know there are other high risers out there, but you got to jump pretty darn high to block Roy's dunk", Roy is 7'2" and can jump we have to throw the ball high. If you watch George Mason's games that young man, Will Thomas is not 7 ft. He's like 6-6 with very long arms and he stretches those long arms once he grabs the ball with one hand or the other and their guards know that is their first option getting that ball inside, out.

[Coast2CoastHoya]

I'd love to see that too, hoyafoeva, but I can't say I've seen much of Roy's vertical in 3+ years on the court either. That said, his reach alone would allow this to be an added option in his arsenal. Still would like to see more of his hook shot, though.

[guhoyasfan36]

I give Roy a 7.2 for his skills and magic. Of course he's #1 in my heart.
Stupid thread...Roy is the reason we are who we are.

[SFHoya99]

Following off of MCI, what do people want to see out of Roy?

We are averaging about 60 possessions per game. We lose about 15 of those to turnover. Roy is only playing about 60% of the remaining 45 possessions -- what's that, like 27 possessions?

How many of those should he actually take a shot? We probably only miss about 15 shots when he's on the floor -- how many of those is he supposed to get offensively?

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

hoyasincebirth said:

If he jumps to 7'2" Jesus is there anywhere to go from there? What's the next level after that?

Yes. Jesus is demoted to "Carpenter Jesus" and Roy is simply referred to as "Jesus."




What's this, a ticket to Hell? Where'd I get this?

[mrsixer123]

guhoyasfan36 said:

I give Roy a 7.2 for his skills and magic. Of course he's #1 in my heart.
Stupid thread...Roy is the reason we are who we are.

jt3 is the reason we are who we are

[MCIGuy]

mrsixer123 said:

guhoyasfan36 said:

I give Roy a 7.2 for his skills and magic. Of course he's #1 in my heart.
Stupid thread...Roy is the reason we are who we are.

jt3 is the reason we are who we are

I hear ya but JT3 ain't playing on the court. He just can't pick any big man off the street and plug him in. The player has to be good for the team to be good.

[Hoya TMF]

roy's rating is moving up. i know we saw a lot of frustrating things from him last night like some of those misses in the second half, but more than anything last night Roy showed me that he was ready to lead this team to a title. Down the stretch, he was doing exactly what Jeff did for us last year-whatever it takes to win.

Remember in the BC game when Jeff played poorly for 32 minutes and then had that monster putback of Roy's miss and then the strip of Oates for the three point play down the stretch?

That's exactly what Roy did last night. He dove to save a terrible shot by Jessie and flipped it to Jon which eventually turned into points. Then he corraled a bad pass from Dajuan, gathered himself and passed out to Jessie who drilled the three. Then on our next offensive possession, he dropstepped to the basket and scored easily. He missed the free throw, which is frustrating too, but those three plays are the types that your best player has to make for the team to win. Everyone contributed, but Roy won that game for us.

[DanMcQ]

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