MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 3, 2007 0:28:10 GMT -5
I saw this thread earlier today and figured I wouldnt respond because someone else would point out how ridiculous it was. I'm surprised it took like 10 posts of agreement before someone said anything... thanks MCI. The truth? There have always been more skeptics and doubters of Roy than any Gtown player of near or similiar quality that I can recall. Ever. When he has very good games or great games they will slap him on the back. When he doesn't play great (or better yet when they think he doesn't play well) they are ready to stick in the knives. Hell, there are smart, loyal Hoya fans who still blame the Hoyas' inability to press, run fast breaks or play man-to-man defense on Roy. They don't realize how good they have it with this guy and how lucky not to only have him as a player but as a person representing their team (and school). But that's just the way it goes. Admittedly since I do have somewhat of a attachment to Roy, part of me can't wait until next season so he won't be around to be kicked around by many of the Hoya faithful.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Dec 3, 2007 9:40:47 GMT -5
I saw this thread earlier today and figured I wouldnt respond because someone else would point out how ridiculous it was. I'm surprised it took like 10 posts of agreement before someone said anything... thanks MCI. The truth? There have always been more skeptics and doubters of Roy than any Gtown player of near or similiar quality that I can recall. Ever. When he has very good games or great games they will slap him on the back. When he doesn't play great (or better yet when they think he doesn't play well) they are ready to stick in the knives. Hell, there are smart, loyal Hoya fans who still blame the Hoyas' inability to press, run fast breaks or play man-to-man defense on Roy. They don't realize how good they have it with this guy and how lucky not to only have him as a player but as a person representing their team (and school). But that's just the way it goes. Admittedly since I do have somewhat of a attachment to Roy, part of me can't wait until next season so he won't be around to be kicked around by many of the Hoya faithful. A couple posters feel like Roy is paying soft, which I don't feel is the case. A couple posters feel like he is a flawless basketball player who is immune from any critical examination, which is not the case. In five games this season, the only problem I have with Roy is that the offense is not giving him enough touches in SCORING position. He's been a team player when he flashes out to the top of the key, etc. but for our most reliable and consistent offensive threat, we need to put him in a position to score a lot of easy points. There is really no reason this shouldn't happen, and maybe when the rotation trims down for BE play (and he gets more PT) this will happen.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Dec 3, 2007 9:51:20 GMT -5
I think Roy missed Sapp on the screen-and-roll on Saturday. When Roy sets the high screen and rolls into the paint, Jessie is better at getting the ball to Roy before the defense surrounds him. Roy uses the high screen and roll action to establish better position in the paint, but the guard has to come off the screen as a threat to shoot or drive so that the defense is forced to react.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 3, 2007 9:51:59 GMT -5
A couple posters feel like Roy is paying soft, which I don't feel is the case. A couple posters feel like he is a flawless basketball player who is immune from any critical examination, which is not the case. Now the reality...there are no folks on this board who think Roy is flawless and above critical examination. But there are those of us who don't buy into nonsense such as Roy missing a bunch of 2 foot shots when outside of the Michigan game hasn't happened this season. We take issue with such exaggerations. Besides do people expect Roy to shoot 90% from the field? 100%? We also have a bone to pick when fans who follow the team but don't seem to have a clue about how Roy is being used during this early stage of the season and the limited minutes he's getting as III experiements with rotations.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 3, 2007 9:56:31 GMT -5
Leave.Roy.Alone. ... Work on FreeThrows
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 3, 2007 9:57:17 GMT -5
Rate Roy?
Well, he made the move from the 7'2 Sensation to the 7'2 Experience near the end of his sophomore year. He came real close to making the transition to the 7'2 Jesus during the Ohio St. game but wasn't quite able to make the jump. So, I'd say he's still the 7'2 Experience and just a few dominant games against solid competition from making the jump to the 7'2 Jesus. He just hasn't had the opportunities. Don't be surprised if he assumes the mantle of the 7'2 Jesus during the Memphis game.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 3, 2007 9:59:44 GMT -5
If he jumps to 7'2" Jesus is there anywhere to go from there? What's the next level after that?
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Dec 3, 2007 10:15:00 GMT -5
When Jesus is referred to as the Roy Hibbert of First-Century Palestine?
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Dec 3, 2007 10:31:34 GMT -5
If he jumps to 7'2" Jesus is there anywhere to go from there? What's the next level after that? The 7'2" I AM!
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 3, 2007 10:35:18 GMT -5
If he jumps to 7'2" Jesus is there anywhere to go from there? What's the next level after that? The 7'2" I AM!Maybe...scientists are uncertain about the next level after that. Honestly, it's still being debated, like evolution and global warming. There's no real consensus... ;D
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lichoya68
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OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 3, 2007 10:40:47 GMT -5
agree make your free throws and MAKE THE ENTRY PASS TO ROY DOWN ON THE BLOCKS FROM INSIDE THE FREE THROW LINE IN THE CORNERS TO GET THE BETTER ANGLE AND YOU SHALL WIN GOHOYAS BEAT BAMA WILL BE TOUGHER THAN PEOPLE THINK ;D ;D
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 3, 2007 12:01:19 GMT -5
Statistically speaking, when Roy is on the floor, he "ends" 30.5% of offensive possessions. With ending meaning either a shot, free throw or a turnover (doesn't include assists to someone else who ends the possession). Because his turnovers are so low, he takes 30.1% of the team's shots.
That's a very high percentage. Teams with a player significantly above 30% of their offense generally aren't very good. That's crossing the line into ballhog territory.
So that's ammunition that what is keeping Roy's stats down (if Roy's stats are down -- they are up versus last year) is the fact that he is only playign 62% of minutes -- around 25 mpg -- on a slow=paced team. That's only about 35 possessions and he's taking the shot on about 11 of those.
Ammunition for "Roy could do more:" Roy may end 30% of possessions, but he's also grabbing 15% of all of our missed shots. Since we shoot about 50%, plus turn the ball over on 20% of our possessions, that means that Roy may end 30% of possessions, but about 5% of those are due to offensive rebounding, so Roy is could only be getting about 25% of the possessions where the offense is trying to get the ball to him (some of those o rebounds have to be from Roy shots).
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Dec 3, 2007 12:21:13 GMT -5
I'd rate him at about a 32.
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Post by aggypryd on Dec 3, 2007 14:51:31 GMT -5
Has to be more assertive. Can't afford to not take it to the hole with some authority. No one should be blocking Roy's shot without him at least getting to the line for some FT's.
Mr. Hibbert is Batman...not Robin. Roy could always rely on the fact that if he didn't have a good game, Jeff was going to have his back. He doesn't have that luxury this season.
Free Throws, Free Throws, Free Throws...
I'll give Roy a 4.
Everybody is still learning their role though, so I'm confident that Roy will pick it up.
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Post by Hoya TMF on Dec 3, 2007 14:55:23 GMT -5
I'd give Roy a 7.5 so far. As most people have mentioned, Roy is a great passer and a team player. Some of his assists have been so pretty it's ridiculous (see the pass to Freeman for a two handed dunk against ODU and Saturday's pass to Baby Doc for a lay-up and 1). I sometimes thought Roy was passing too much, but I think he's trying to get people involved;and the ball when need' be. We have won all of our games pretty convincingly (except Fairfield) and we haven't needed Roy to be as dominant as he can be. One thing that does worry me is the offensive fouls against smaller players. Fairfield's defender flopped twice and sent Roy to the bench with fouls. That's the down side of having only one true low post screr. Still, I don't think Roy is playing as well as he has in the past or he will when we need him to be dominant; that's why I am still optimistic. Here's hoping we stay focused in the games leading up to Memphis and hand them their first loss of the season. go hoyas!
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Post by hoyafoeva on Dec 3, 2007 15:30:53 GMT -5
If we didn't have 7'2" we wouldn't have been in Sweet 16 or Final Four...I was saying all the positives things about Roy last year and some folks were knocking Roy down to the ground big time...Roy has carried us this far and will continue...Roy is the best pure center in college basketball today and a true All-American.
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Post by hoyafoeva on Dec 3, 2007 15:33:06 GMT -5
I agree MCIGuy...as I recall I think you were one of those guys kicking Roy around also.
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nodak89
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Post by nodak89 on Dec 3, 2007 15:33:25 GMT -5
On a scale of 1 to 10, I give Roy a 55. Or maybe a 1789. I haven't decided.
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Post by DoubleOhHoya on Dec 3, 2007 17:43:22 GMT -5
I've only seen the Michigan and ODU games. Roy should have shot 90% in the Michigan game. He took one shot from greater than about 5 feet, and missed several layups. He was much better in the ODU game, but still missed a couple. That said, Roy isn't alone. As a team, we've missed an embarrassing number of layups in the two games I've watched. Coupled with his poor FT shooting, his play has been a bit unnerving, but he's definitely playing much better this season. He's doing a great job dishing the ball, and I can't fault the team too much for not getting it to him, 'cause he's been smothered.
Overall, I'd say he's below expectations because his shooting needs to improve, but he's still a hell of a player.
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Post by mapei on Dec 3, 2007 18:21:15 GMT -5
Teams are going to collapse on Roy and make it very difficult for him unless we can pick up our outside shooting. I think that has been half of the story so far, the other half being a relatively low number of minutes in part because of fouls but also because he gets winded. I almost wonder if he has an very minor asthma issue that asserts itself sometimes.
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