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Post by prhoya on Nov 7, 2007 23:49:44 GMT -5
Could Lance play within our system or would he want to show off more often than not?
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Post by idhoya on Nov 7, 2007 23:49:48 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 7, 2007 23:58:41 GMT -5
We're thinking alike, ID. I googled the Hollis Thompson-LA Times piece myself after reading info here a few hours ago.
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Post by balla on Nov 8, 2007 0:03:40 GMT -5
Monroe is amazing, but #1 in what most consider to be a weak recruiting class, almost #1 by default in a sense. Lance is pretty much universally top 5 in a stronger recruiting class. I might be NYC metro area-biased, but Lance is the king of New York, leading his team to city championship as a freshman. He is a HUGE deal in NYC. If you land Lance Stephenson, you don't just get a star player. You get thousands upon thousands of new fans watching you. You get tons of New York City kids who want to follow in his foot steps and be a Hoya. You get a guy who is going to be an NBA star and bring tons of attention to the program for several years. Monroe will play in the NBA and be excellent. But Lance is a superstar. He is the next big thing. I see your logic, and it makes sense for longterm NY recruiting. But Monroe is a national recruit, and the second that he committed to GU every kid took notice. Monroe put Gtown back on the national recruiting map. Monroe is the type of person/player that will benefit Gtown recruiting for the next 10 years. Plus if GU does not get Lance in 09, that is more spots for the outside players in 2010: THornton Hairston Jason Morris Roscoe Smith
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Post by balla on Nov 8, 2007 0:08:02 GMT -5
Good thing that III was recruiting Lil Thompson long before Hollis blew up. The most important thing in recruiting these days might be identifying talent early, then building the relationship.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 8, 2007 11:06:23 GMT -5
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 8, 2007 11:38:41 GMT -5
The recruiting stuff is exciting, but keep in mind that the Green, Hibbert, Wallace, Crawford was not highly regarded. Another example is Guibunda who was the top recruit in his class coming to Gtown and look where that led. Just my two cents. I was reading the Wallace piece and it reminded me that the best talent isn't always the highest rated talent out of high school although it does help to be able to compete for those types of guys when they fit the system.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 8, 2007 12:29:52 GMT -5
very good point columbia very good
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Post by balla on Nov 8, 2007 13:59:15 GMT -5
The recruiting stuff is exciting, but keep in mind that the Green, Hibbert, Wallace, Crawford was not highly regarded. Another example is Guibunda who was the top recruit in his class coming to Gtown and look where that led. Just my two cents. I was reading the Wallace piece and it reminded me that the best talent isn't always the highest rated talent out of high school although it does help to be able to compete for those types of guys when they fit the system. I'll trust III's eye for talent, and that he knows the players that he wants to bring in. Every kid that GU is recruiting and bringing into the program, is a great talent that fits the sytem.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 8, 2007 14:54:41 GMT -5
It's harder to find a Wallace-type kid than a Lawson or Gordon.
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Post by idhoya on Nov 8, 2007 16:03:19 GMT -5
Guibunda, while supposedly was good, play HS ball in a low level class, so the competition wasn't very high. I believe he was top 150, but not a top 50 player. He was there when III came aboard and never got run. Jeff and Roy didn't attend camps towards the end of there HS careers (where most of these cats blow up) and were under the radar. Jeff especially. Roy was seen as a project, but 7'2. J Wally was a fine athlete in HS. Point guard and quarterback. All-area, All-county. I keep reminding folks Texas A&M offered in hoops, so its not like the kid had to walk on anywhere. What he did was buy into III's vision and since he's a smart cat, wanted the best education possible. There are many J Wally types, but they are often overshadowed by the high profile kids and the school they choose. GU was a perfect fit for the cerebral kid J Wally is. A high b-ball IQ. I think Wright is very cerebral as well, but a better athlete.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Nov 8, 2007 16:16:28 GMT -5
this debate has happened over and over again...the basic conclusion is that while rankings do not guarantee a player's success on the collegiate level there is very high correlation between a players ranking and his chance of being a star..let's look at the 04 class for instance since most of these players are fully devolopped now, i see some pretty decent players in the top 50 rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?SID=910&Year=2004&ra_key=273
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Post by rkerby15 on Nov 8, 2007 16:24:09 GMT -5
Looks like a stacked class. You can even find Chris Lofton all the way down at 146 and now he is a potential All-American, but I guess you have to take into account the departure of the majority of the top 50.
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 8, 2007 17:02:09 GMT -5
There are many J Wally types, but they are often overshadowed by the high profile kids and the school they choose. ID -- I'm not so sure I agree with that. There are a lot of smart kids... yes, that part is true. And there are more physically gifted kids - true. And the freaky athletes do overshadow the others -- at least in hype -- true. But Jon combines very good and underestimated athleticism with exceptional smarts, poise, determination and leadership abilities. I don't think that combination comes along all that often. Not to the level that Jon has taken it. BET, Final Four, etc. Thank goodness -- and JT3 -- that he's a HOYA!
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Post by balla on Nov 8, 2007 20:48:16 GMT -5
The funny thing is that Hollis is the same as Wallace was. III saw Hollis as a perfect fit for the program a long time ago. Hollis just blew-up this summer, so now he is considered a high rated prospect. Monroe and Riley fit the same description as Wallace also, but they just happen to be national recruits.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Nov 9, 2007 1:26:10 GMT -5
Hollis announcement is coming very soon. Scout says that it'll be done within 7-10 days. So probably a couple days after the 2008 recruits sign on the dotted line.
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Nov 9, 2007 3:15:31 GMT -5
i agree with sleepy...just google searched stephenson and the first hit before scout, rivals, etc was his RIDICULOUS myspace page. he looks like another bassy telfair...drugs and women all over his webpage...i don't know if he is cut from the jon wallace, jeff green, roy, greg mon or hollis mold here...i would just as soon stay away from him and i don't think getting lance would be a bigger coup for the program than nabbing greg monroe - regardless of strength of the different classes, Greg is almost unanimous no. 1 prep player for 08. just by getting him we are elevating the program another notch in terms of good publicity and cred. also i am pretty sure nyc street player know about georgetown - something tells me getting him wouldn't necessarily open up a lucrative new audience You sound foolish... those "drugs and women" you see on his page are spam advertisements that EVERYONE gets on MySpace. He didnt put that on there himself. AMAZING how people ignorant to certain things can develop opinions so fast. You saw some spam on his MySpace and red flagged a kid...who does that?
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Post by balla on Nov 9, 2007 3:20:36 GMT -5
i agree with sleepy...just google searched stephenson and the first hit before scout, rivals, etc was his RIDICULOUS myspace page. he looks like another bassy telfair...drugs and women all over his webpage...i don't know if he is cut from the jon wallace, jeff green, roy, greg mon or hollis mold here...i would just as soon stay away from him and i don't think getting lance would be a bigger coup for the program than nabbing greg monroe - regardless of strength of the different classes, Greg is almost unanimous no. 1 prep player for 08. just by getting him we are elevating the program another notch in terms of good publicity and cred. also i am pretty sure nyc street player know about georgetown - something tells me getting him wouldn't necessarily open up a lucrative new audience You sound foolish... those "drugs and women" you see on his page are spam advertisements that EVERYONE gets on MySpace. He didnt put that on there himself. AMAZING how people ignorant to certain things can develop opinions so fast. You saw some spam on his MySpace and red flagged a kid...who does that? Wow. I had no idea that he posted that. I have him on ignore, so I missed that. Then again, there is a reason that I have him on ignore...
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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 9, 2007 8:17:49 GMT -5
i agree with sleepy...just google searched stephenson and the first hit before scout, rivals, etc was his RIDICULOUS myspace page. he looks like another bassy telfair...drugs and women all over his webpage...i don't know if he is cut from the jon wallace, jeff green, roy, greg mon or hollis mold here...i would just as soon stay away from him and i don't think getting lance would be a bigger coup for the program than nabbing greg monroe - regardless of strength of the different classes, Greg is almost unanimous no. 1 prep player for 08. just by getting him we are elevating the program another notch in terms of good publicity and cred. also i am pretty sure nyc street player know about georgetown - something tells me getting him wouldn't necessarily open up a lucrative new audience You sound foolish... those "drugs and women" you see on his page are spam advertisements that EVERYONE gets on MySpace. He didnt put that on there himself. AMAZING how people ignorant to certain things can develop opinions so fast. You saw some spam on his MySpace and red flagged a kid...who does that? Granted those are ads, and I highly doubt Lance runs "BudJoint.com." Still, I'm admittedly not a big MySpacer, but I've seen a number of pages and I've never seen THAT many ads on a page for anything, much less all for women and "BudJoint.com" (which I'm really getting a pretty good laugh about--"I'll take a pound of Hawaiian Heat and a Mango Tango Kingpin please. Seriously, go check out that site). Anyway, is it common or even possible for all those ads to have just been dropped on his page like that? It seems like a lot, and all for one thing.
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Post by idhoya on Nov 9, 2007 12:12:00 GMT -5
I am saying there are kids like JWally on every level, but the opportunities are different for most. I think its more prevelant than you think, but you don't here about that kid at Tougaloo College who runs the point at his school, averages 17 a game, is class valadictorian, and has all the qualities J Wally has.
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