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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2007 14:04:35 GMT -5
this isn't CBB and you dont' make judgements about teams/players in October/November. RDF - Not sure you want to do that in College Hoops either. By the end of November last year - thanks to ODU and Oregon - there were a few people who had the Hoyas in the NIT!
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Nov 1, 2007 14:16:47 GMT -5
I thought Iverson was absolutely fantastic and it was worth staying up for that. True that. One thing I noticed about AI: I think his line was 25 pts, 14 assists, 7 steals, 5 rebounds. Those are MVP numbers. I know its early, but if his teammates make shots, and we know that on occasion they can, he can be a 10 assist guy all season. Also, over at HoyaHoops.com you can read Tony's take on the game. And one more thing about this: they mentioned during the broadcast that AI is 3rd in NBA history in scoring average at 27.9/game (going into last night), behind MJ and Wilt.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Nov 1, 2007 14:27:17 GMT -5
The points per possession stat simply verified what I said earlier - Seattle got stops only when Green and West were both in the game. If you watched the game, the glaring thing was how many uncontested shots Denver had in the first and fourth quarters. Jeff contested shots and helped on D. Of course I watched the game, or I wouldn't have commented. I'm not intending to argue that Jeff did not play good D last night, because I agree with everyone that he more than held his own. I'm just saying that the fact that Denver scored fewer points when Jeff was playing cannot only be attributed to him. That's it.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 1, 2007 14:57:46 GMT -5
What's the story with Nene, RDF? When he wasn't in the starting lineup I thought he had come down with another Denver injury.
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Post by FewFAC on Nov 1, 2007 15:01:26 GMT -5
I posted thoughts on the pro sports board, but basically Seattle is gonna be a situation where Jeff should probably move into the starting lineup relatively quickly. It was pretty clear that no one on the Seattle sideline had any clue regarding the offense that Carlesimo and Westhead are attempting to institute, and I suspect that Wilcox, Wilkins, West, and Watson were all playing iso's and 1-on-1's the way they did because they know D-League tryouts are in their future and they needed to impress somebody. Seattle only played as "well" as they did offensively because George Karl still doesn't know what defense is, and I feel really bad for AI and his touching interviews with Melo talking about a ring, because they'll never get one with Karl at the helm.
Seattle will get markedly better when Swift returns to the lineup, creating a focal point to anchor the offense and defense, and to create a high-low game with Durant or Green, and I suspect that the starting frontcourt within a couple of months will be Durant Green and Swift, with a ton of prayer with respect to the backcourt. I anticipate Jeff probably getting a lot more touches in terms of creating offensively than I orginally supposed would be the case, and I thought it was pretty instructive that many of the easy touches Durant got were created by Jeff's off-the-ball abilities.
While I still think teams will try to get physical with Durant, Jeff is gonna shield Durant pretty well when they're on the court together, and I think Carlesimo is astute enough to notice.
Really happy for AI that he had a good game, but Denver is really gonna struggle until they get Nene and Kmart back to full strength. They'll still get stomped by the Spurs, Mavs and Jazz, but as long as they avoid a firt round matchup with any of those three teams, they've got a shot.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 1, 2007 15:35:46 GMT -5
Denver has more than enough talent to beat the Jazz and the Jazz know it. But the Jazz takes each game more seriously than the Nuggets. The Jazz take care of business.
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Post by RDF on Nov 1, 2007 16:36:45 GMT -5
this isn't CBB and you dont' make judgements about teams/players in October/November. RDF - Not sure you want to do that in College Hoops either. By the end of November last year - thanks to ODU and Oregon - there were a few people who had the Hoyas in the NIT! No--after the Duke and Nova games--some fans said if they don't change how they play--they will be in the NIT and those assessments were 100% accurate. Changing how you play and evaluating players are two different things. We need not go into this--because everything those of us who were critical of the program at the time of those games said--were backed up by the Coach himself--and were changed. Criticism is warranted after CRAPPY PLAY--but evaluating players isn't fair--unless you mention what needs to change/how they need to improve instead of just saying "Denver Sucks" or "Georgetown stinks". I can tell you this--how you play is more important then if you win/lose. Sometimes you play a good game and other team plays better--no harm in that. When you play timid, your best players don't play aggressive or show up--then you've got to change or your team is in for a long season. If I ever see Hoyas play as bad as they did against Duke and Nova last year--I'll be back to say the same thing about them--that had nothing to do with losing to better teams--it was Hoyas playing timid and not being aggressive and more worried about their pattern/offense then trying to win the game. See the difference?
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Post by RDF on Nov 1, 2007 16:40:51 GMT -5
What's the story with Nene, RDF? When he wasn't in the starting lineup I thought he had come down with another Denver injury. Conditioning or lack of it. Nene parties in Brazil (can't say I blame him--I mean it's BRAZIL!) and then shows up about 15-20 lbs out of shape. He'll be in shape by January and then ready to beast--key is to get Kenyon Martin's minutes up gradually and Martin fits the style of play more. Still think JR Smith needs to be moved--as long as he's a "key figure"--that team is destined to be a quick out come Playoff time. The ignorance of his basketball IQ is only surpassed by his combative attitude towards anyone who tries to tell him how to play/how the NBA game is played.
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Post by idhoya on Nov 1, 2007 17:11:14 GMT -5
Nuggets have the ability to come out of the west. I think losing Steve Blake was big. Solid and ran the team. If AI plays like last night, they'll be tough to stop. Nene is soft for a big. Najera gives them more and he's undersized.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 1, 2007 17:39:58 GMT -5
Najera can't post anyone up in the paint though. Nene was posting up the Spurs successfully in the playoffs.
Oh, boy this thread is about to be moved. :
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Post by Hoya Rich on Nov 1, 2007 19:20:09 GMT -5
I love Iverson and he played a great game last night, but two things he has to continue to focus on: limiting his turnovers (he had 7) and not taking plays off on defense. I realize he runs himself ragged out there and gets the crap kicked out of him on screens and uncalled fouls, but when he goes less than full-speed on defense, good teams will make the Nuggets pay for it.
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Post by NickSixers on Nov 1, 2007 21:17:22 GMT -5
Sonics vs. Suns up next on TNT. David Stern apparently doesn't want me to ever sleep.
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Post by RDF on Nov 2, 2007 0:28:52 GMT -5
Watching Seattle a few games this year--I proclaim EARL "THE RAT" WATSON in need of being put on the bench forever. HE BLOWS-let me count the ways:
1. Overdribbling--the ball has air--we all know--PASS THE BLEEPIN' BALL!!!!
2. Terrible decision making
3. Turnovers--the crowd booing a guy on home opener is never a good sign
4. No clue how to play lead guard. He doesn't get the ball to guys in good position--and his best passes are bail outs--where he overpenetrates and benefits from the defense being overaggressive and throws some lobs up to Wilcox.
5. Takes stupid shots
6. Looks like a ratboy
If I NEVER see Earl Watson play basketball again--it's too soon. He is awful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2007 8:43:45 GMT -5
RDF - Not sure you want to do that in College Hoops either. By the end of November last year - thanks to ODU and Oregon - there were a few people who had the Hoyas in the NIT! No--after the Duke and Nova games--some fans said if they don't change how they play--they will be in the NIT and those assessments were 100% accurate. Changing how you play and evaluating players are two different things. We need not go into this--because everything those of us who were critical of the program at the time of those games said--were backed up by the Coach himself--and were changed. Criticism is warranted after CRAPPY PLAY--but evaluating players isn't fair--unless you mention what needs to change/how they need to improve instead of just saying "Denver Sucks" or "Georgetown stinks". I can tell you this--how you play is more important then if you win/lose. Sometimes you play a good game and other team plays better--no harm in that. When you play timid, your best players don't play aggressive or show up--then you've got to change or your team is in for a long season. If I ever see Hoyas play as bad as they did against Duke and Nova last year--I'll be back to say the same thing about them--that had nothing to do with losing to better teams--it was Hoyas playing timid and not being aggressive and more worried about their pattern/offense then trying to win the game. See the difference? Not meant as a jab, RDF - at least not at you. Was referring mostly to mrsixer's November/December rants about our guards.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Nov 2, 2007 8:49:56 GMT -5
I second RDF's call to bench ratboy indefinitely. I would like to get it on the record that Wally World Sczerbiak SUCKS! So he can make an outside shot occasionally, but he should NEVER, EVER be driving with the ball...each time he did that last night he was either stuffed, stripped, or just lost control of his dribble. The guy is a never has been who does not have the requisite athletic ability to be a featured offensive player. His D is also atrocious.
And he was trying to boss Jeff around which made me angry. That is all.
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