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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 10, 2024 11:50:35 GMT -5
How is this discussion about Akok in the "current state of Hoyas" thread? I mean lets talk about what Tre Mitchell could have done while we are at it.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 10, 2024 7:32:19 GMT -5
I'll be cheering the kid on. Listen, it is really tough to go to a place that your dad was a legend at. We had Williams, Ewing, Mourning & Mutombo's kids all come to Gtown at some point in their careers. Williams was a walk on. Ewing went to IU first and then was a big part of our success in the late 2000's, Mourning was part of some average teams and played minutes and Mutombo was a top 100 recruit but was part of bad teams and never panned out. All got degrees I believe and should be commended for their efforts on campus.
There was no way any of them could live up to the family name on the court but all of them contributed something to the school. People are overanalyzing all of this (as per usual). Good luck Ryan!
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 8, 2024 12:32:51 GMT -5
Burks looks like a young Stromile Swift with better shooting ability. Nice addition, just seems like we're stockpiling a lot of the same types of players, but maybe he's more of a run/jump 4 than a true wing in Peavy and whatever McKenna and Williams are supposed to be. I do hope Cooley is communicating well with McKenna and Williams because this looks like they're being recruited over, which is probably necessary since we're coming off 2-18. Recruited over? None of the kids has played a minute of Georgetown basketball. What they are doing is raising the level of competition every day in practice. Rather then competing against a walk on in practice you will be competing for a guy who has your spot or wants your spot. Rising tides lifts all boats.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 8, 2024 12:27:21 GMT -5
3 tweets in one afternoon for 70+ year old Rick Pitino. Ed Cooley hasn't tweeted since January 24 and that was a photo of him with a bunch of his old Providence players. twitter.com/HoyaCoachCooleyI do think it would be nice to have a coach that is more modern/out there, though I think Cooley is out there a lot, and social media isn't the be all and end all of engagement. Rick Pitino tweets way more than the average coach, though. He's constantly posting things, and very few other coaches do it with that level of consistency. Pitino also clearly loves and embraces the press. Really, if Georgetown had an able marketing department, the department could handle things like Twitter to take the burden off Cooley from spending a ton of time on it. But, we know Georgetown doesn't have that. So I am not surprised. They should leverage the business school. It's an easy project and resume builder for anyone interested. Go engage your marketing professors who are frequently adjunct and run marketing firms.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 7, 2024 10:27:22 GMT -5
I could see this happening if we get deep into the cycle and neither party has found a good fit. There have been a couple of these portal & back scenarios in recent years. We could do worse if he is a back-up (preferably a deep end of bench back-up).
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 7, 2024 8:06:15 GMT -5
I get Tulane isn't a high major but frankly they have been better than us for a few years. Yes, Rowan could use a year or two of seasoning but in the dumb world we live in, no one is willing to foster it and players aren't frequently willing to accept it.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 6, 2024 9:54:58 GMT -5
You don't think Cooley has taken at least a slight hit on his rep for leaving PC and being no better than Ewing last year? I am honestly a big fan of Cooley, but I can't deny it's been a tough twelve months for him. I still think he is capable of turning this around, but at the same time can be a little let down by the start of his tenure now. I think this is the only reasonable take. I expected more in year one. Better D, more improvement in season. That is about my only gripe. I would have liked more retention but the only two I see as being misses (especially with the current roster as of today) are styles & brumbaugh. Both could contribute next year although I understand smaller roles probably weren't wanted by them and that is what would happen. Going into the Summer, if we don't land a few bigs I think we are looking at the bottom third of the conference for sure. It's just unreasonable to expect a first & second year big (Fielder/Sorber) to somehow anchor the inside against 5th & 6th year bigs. If we get a body or two, I think we can get to the middle of the pack. If we see more turnover of the roster next offseason without making huge strides, I might just punt on season tickets. It's hard to stay this loyal for this long without any good seasons to look to.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 6, 2024 8:30:50 GMT -5
So at what point do we question the huge NIL war chest we have? Tough to view the portal season so far as an overall upgrade. Things haven’t worked out much better for St John’s w/ their HOF coach and Vitamin Water NIL funds… Bottom line is it’s not always the money (assuming it’s close). The deterioration of the program and potentially the hit Cooley’s reputation has taken, can’t be solved with money alone. Now it’s up to the staff to earn their $ by developing the kids on the roster and getting the whole to be more than the sum of the parts. What hits have happened to Cooley's rep?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 3, 2024 13:54:10 GMT -5
Is Cliff officially inked elsewhere? If not, I wonder if we can go back to him with free chicken madness & extra munch money?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 3, 2024 12:49:08 GMT -5
Here would be my offseason grades to date: STARTERS Junior Epps > Sophomore Epps Mack > Brumbaugh/Heath Peavy = Styles Probably better on D and less of a shooter Sophomore Fielder > Ish Massoud Sorber = Cook I struggle to see how a more talented freshman can hang with much bigger 5th & 6th year players
Bench RS McKenna > Bristol Mulready > Bacote Williams/Williams JR > Remaining bench from this past year
We are definitely better and almost across the board. We will have more depth and more talent overall. That is from an epically bad roster though. We really need a big (preferably two) and a back up ballhandler. Maybe they think Epps can tighten up his handle and play some back-up PG minutes but my guess is Mack is going to have all the minutes he can handle. Maybe Mulready or Williams have a good enough handle to help in a pinch. I am pretty nervous about that overall. I would grade our freshmen class an A and our free agency class a B- right now. It can become a B+ or A- if Cliff comes back our way or we find a couple of bigs that can gobble up some minutes.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 1, 2024 13:55:33 GMT -5
How do you enter the portal when you are out of eligibility? Must think he is gonna win that case.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 30, 2024 12:14:50 GMT -5
If we get Bryce Hopkins, that raises the ceiling, for example. We need him just for the jokes against PU fans. Gold Jerry, Gold!
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 26, 2024 9:45:01 GMT -5
But when a Georgetown player like Styles leaves for more NIL, that's not acceptable because we have a boatload of cash? I get it. There will always be an excuse to paint things in a negative light. How do we know Styles left for more NIL? What evidence is there for that assertion? I think there were rumors there was an ask that was not met. If so, not mad at the decision by either party. There is an unofficial salary cap you have to work with and you need to think like Billy Bean to get the most out of your dollars.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 23, 2024 8:03:12 GMT -5
With the 10 players we have signed I would expect that very little of that $4M remains. If we are able to get Cliff, that will certainly be the case. I can't imagine that is true. Kansas spent the most last year at a little over $4 million according to 247Sports and that is with Hunter so I can't look at the 10 guys we have and think we spent close to that even if we had to spend more to get them to come. Now if we get Cliff than I can believe we spent close to that. Cost of the brick is going up. As NIL becomes blatant pay for play, you just need one sucker to overpay.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 23, 2024 7:58:25 GMT -5
Also read at least two other visits. I think one was UCLA and maybe UNC or USC. They aren't officially scheduled yet. I can't remember the second team. Guy is looking for the highest bidder and is asking for a small fortune. Wouldn't say we're out - but I'd also be surprised if he ended up at GU. Probably a pretty good strategy for a kid who likely is a good college player and needs to cash in. Maybe our price & opportunity is right but if not, I am sure we are pursuing a few other avenues. The era of money ball is officially here.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 18, 2024 9:01:43 GMT -5
That list seems out of whack, showing SJU w zero transfer commits for example, but has us as the #1 in-coming transfer class and the #1 in-coming freshmen class in the BEast. And neither list includes Drew McKenna, who arguably could be our most impactful new-comer given his time with the team last season and his physical capabilities. Let’s make last season a total anomaly. 1 2 3 Fireballs I'm also not sure these are lists you want to be on. Spears/Murray/Wahab transfer class was highlighted touted and stunk. These lists are about the more bodies you are bringing in vs. those that are the best fit and add to an established stable of players. I would love to see us get to a place where we have a two player freshmen class and a two transfer class every year. The freshmen replace the seniors and the transfers replace other transfers that didn't pan out. One can dream.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 15, 2024 14:17:59 GMT -5
We might need to retitle this thread. I'll be honest, if you aren't with us for a majority of your college career, I'm not terribly interested in you nor will I look back fondly on your contributions to the university. Wayne Bristol is a Hoya. I don't care if he is taking advantage of his graduate year and transferred in to Gtown after a year. Ryan Mutombo will be a Hoya. Nobody from the 22/23 Hoyas outside of those two counts in my opinion. Wilson is the only one I count from the 21/22 season. I've got to go all the way back to the 20/21 season with Pickett & Blair as a pair of longer term Hoyas.
This is a sad state of affairs that not just Georgetown, but college basketball as a whole finds itself in. It makes the product much less enjoyable.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 15, 2024 13:37:34 GMT -5
And no contracts of any length. It's a crazy system right now, if you can even call it that. One thing I don't understand - do the players advertise to their teammates how much NIL each is getting? That certainly leads to team building! I guarantee they are talking about it. I would if I was 20 trying to figure out my value. If Epps got $50, why wouldn't Styles ask for $40? Seems reasonable. Here would be my cap numbers based off the current projected roster: 1) Mack 2) Epps 3) Sorber 4) Fielder 5) Peevy 6) McKenna 7) Mulready 8) Williams 9) Cook I would have had Styles in there around 5/6. I'm not saying the players are worth this nor will they contribute to wins based off this but it is probably going to be cheaper to build out a roster around a core that started with you because you get the familiarity premium and you aren't in as much competition for young talent. Even after a break out year you can boost things up as needed. Going out to the waiver wire to bring in talent has to be the most expensive path to building out a roster. Even though they weren't successful as a team this year on the court, I really wish we would have Styles/Brumbaugh next year but I guess I just have to accept that this constant turnover is the way of the future. It makes the game much less enjoyable.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 15, 2024 13:20:35 GMT -5
If you believe the rumor mill - once Peavy got big NIL and Epps renegotiated, Styles tried to do the same unsuccessfully. I wonder what Epps renegotiated for? The guy was highly inefficient and didn't contribute to wins. Our biggest win of the season at Notre Dame he didn't even play if I recall.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 15, 2024 10:56:26 GMT -5
This is the new world. There's no avoiding it. Anyone you add won't have played a minute for Cooley. And anyone you add may affect an existing players playing time, which may lead him to leave. Of course. But wasn’t Cooley supposed to improve player retention and development? He’s lost two of his five recruits fron last year. We have a poster a couple of posts ago talking about young core and retention. Unfortunately, for now, we have to rely on the one-year older players. Did we lose 2 of 5 recruits? We lost Brumbaugh. Who is the 2nd? Cooley brought in Cook/Styles/Epps/Brumbaugh/Fielder. If you are complaining about losing Bristol who wasn't a Cooley recruit and is a grad transfer who was likely ceding minutes to Cooley recruited freshmen & transfers, then you are just looking to complain. We have lost one guy who would have contributed next year and that is Brumbaugh.
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