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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 30, 2022 13:27:19 GMT -5
Someone who holds himself out as a "chief of staff" of a program is responsible for that program. Over the last 5 years, the program has performed poorly other than 4 days at Madison Square Garden and maybe a few games here and there. By any reasonable metric, the team's performance over the last 5 years has been well below average for a high-major basketball team. The result son the court speak for themselves. Off the court, we have had many players dismissed, even more players transfer, and the team's APR is in the territory where, if not for COVID suspending penalties, Georgetown might be in trouble on that as well. Outside the Georgetown context, Ronny also failed as a head coach at Ball State. To be clear, I think Patrick Ewing bares the brunt of responsibility for the program. After all, he's the head coach and he's the guy in charge. But, Ronny seems to maintain a lot of influence, and even if Ewing is out of the picture, if Ronny is still around, that's going to be a problem. You cannot expect to have the same people in charge and get a different result if those people themselves are resistant to change and/or not qualified. The idea that I am "just randomly calling out someone who works for the program named Thompson" is ludicrous, and demonstrates you have little history on here. I was one of the biggest defenders of John Thompson III on HoyaTalk and I was one of the few remaining in March 2017 that did not think he should be fired (for which I took a huge amount of grief from people on HoyaTalk) because I thought he deserved another year. So, I don't want to hear this stuff about not liking the Thompsons. I just want a good basketball team, and I want to get rid of the people who are obstacles to achieving that goal. I really don't care what their last names are. "Even in his role now (whatever it is, but something similar to a manager, I suppose)" "Why does anybody tolerate his involvement in our program, to that degree? I see absolutely no reason why Ronny Thompson should be involved other than his father and last name. To me, that is not a compelling reason for him to have a significant role in our program." These words of yours speak for themselves. I do remember you sticking up for JTIII, as did I. Still, absent any specific reason why you want Ronny gone, I feel like you are just punishing Ronny for being a Thompson. I mean, am I to believe that if, say, John Doe was the admin in Ronny's position, you'd be calling for his termination? I doubt that. Anyway, why not own it? It's not like this isn't a safe space for Thompson bashing The only reason anyone would possibly argue in favor of keeping RT is because of his last name and for some desire to maintain a connection to his father. John Doe leading this historically inept program would have been fired a couple years ago.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 30, 2022 12:51:43 GMT -5
If 0-20 and dead last APR has not done it, then I fear Jack is without shame and cannot be sufficiently embarrassed. No one cares about that on campus. He will not feel pressure from that unless there are notable NCAA ramifications. If the APR thing doesn’t get him fired, nothing will. The basketball results are irrelevant which was clear by hiring him in the first place but I can’t quite believe that Georgetown is willing to completely punt on the academic side of things. It’s just so against everything this program and school are supposed to be about. And, if they are willing to throw that all away, why on earth would they do it for a proven incompetent failure like Pat Ewing. It makes no sense.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 28, 2022 18:57:43 GMT -5
There have been many discussions about Coach Ewings coaching style both offensively and defensively, there's been duscusions about his sub patterns, in game coaching, his assistants ect... Having said that, how can a discussion about Primo Spears be had without the coach being a part of the convo? Etomic these "discussions" that you and Bigsky are referring haven't happened since the season ended. There's just been little jabs at Ewing's so called incompetence. I don't really care what people think of Ewing as a X and O coach but I do know he can't prove otherwise at this moment. This board is impossible for a optimist at this time because the doomsday crew has taken over. There are quite a few recent examples of coaches using the transfer portal to make leaps the next season but this board can't imagine that it could possibly be us.🤷🏾♂️😪 I doubt you’ll find many examples of teams that were as horrible as we were, kept the coach, and turned it around under that coach. You call it so-called incompetence but the record speaks for itself. If Ewing hasn’t proven to you that he’s in completely over his head after these five miserable years, what would it take?
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 28, 2022 13:23:18 GMT -5
That's literally what's happening now and it won't change. This is what certain posters would like for you to believe but Ewing is just trying to overcome 2019. It's just requires a little patience from our fans. Two years after 2019, he went 6-25 and saw pretty much the entire team, including most of his savior recruiting class, leave. Why does he deserve any more patience from us? Isn’t it clear what he is as a coach and leader?
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 28, 2022 10:35:26 GMT -5
None of us get anything out of 5-15 or 1-19 - anything will be seen as an improvement and we won't get a new coach until the extension is burned off. No one will be happy with it, but at least one more year out of the three remaining will be in the books. If we faceplant that bad this year, Ewing will leave. The notion that he is going to hold the team over a barrel for money is bs There is zero chance he leaving voluntarily without getting paid every penny. He’s entitled to that because that’s a deal they agreed to but pretend like he would leave money on the table for the good of the team or university is nonsense.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 28, 2022 9:40:37 GMT -5
When you go 0-20, you need to be held accountable and subject to criticism. Most of us here don’t have an agenda against Pat, quite the contrary. We all just want to win games. The revolving door of players contributing to poor graduation rates is just as problematic as the losing. Well why can't we stop bringing up 0-20 in every post? Yall are like spouses that have been wronged in one way or another. You say you want to work pass it but you bring it up every chance you get🤷🏾♂️0-20 is a trigger and the Ewing Mob uses it to get the swing votes fired up. I would rather focus on 0-0 🤣 You are right. We should be talking about 68-85 and 30-67. His failure is so much worse than 0-20 that it does him an injustice to simply focus on last year.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 28, 2022 6:47:56 GMT -5
Do you not see the difference in your contributions? Boya’s post was at least somewhat substantive. You’re just spamming the same two words in response. When you go 0-20, you need to be held accountable and subject to criticism. Most of us here don’t have an agenda against Pat, quite the contrary. We all just want to win games. The revolving door of players contributing to poor graduation rates is just as problematic as the losing. The goal is not to win games, the goal is to employ an otherwise unemployable coach.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 27, 2022 19:35:10 GMT -5
Northwestern at home in the BE/B10 challenge is gross. We still pull more eyeballs than anyone in the BE and that's the match up that we draw? Northwestern deserves better.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 27, 2022 15:42:14 GMT -5
Actually, I think Aminu's weaknesses would have stood out even more had he gone/transferred to another top program. He would have gotten to a Duke, Kentucky, or Kansas, or Arizona where they had kids with more talent than he and then everyone would have been asking the question of why Aminu is not getting more playing time or not on in the floor in critical minutes of the game, or why isn't the ball in his hands? That would have been enough for the NBA scouts to see right there and possibly not even a combine invite coming his way. Even if he played less, he would have benefited from actual coaching instead of whatever he got here. He may not have learned how to fail as much so there’s that.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 27, 2022 12:58:04 GMT -5
They fired Kirby. This isn't complicated. Wasn’t Pat involved too? Probably and, on a very related note, the player is not coming here.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 27, 2022 8:07:26 GMT -5
In your original post you stated your son was told that he wouldn’t play much given the folks in front of him and the players that were coming in. Gtown didn’t have have two better centers on the roster or one coming in for next year so the conversation couldn’t have gone the way you’re describing. I am sure that because the coaching staff had been engaged in conversations with kids in the transfer portal, they knew that they would be in the running for a kid or 2 that was much more talented and who would bring more to the table than Tim. So they knew that they had to make room. I would assume that they also had the same conversation with Wilson. However, Wilson probably decided that he would stay and fight for time. They didn't just have those conversations with the guys who transferred and then all of a sudden go recruit for new talent. And in my opinion, they brought in 2 guys who in Akok, Wahab, and Ezewiro and have Mutombo there who all I would bet are better options than Tim. Whether you want to buy into it or not, collegiate athletics has changed for good. This ain't going nowhere. And if you were in Ewing's position, you would do the exact same thing. I'm sure on your jobs, you do not keep nonperformers on your payroll for a whole year just so that they can meet their 25th anniversary with the company or something. No. you make changes as necessary. Make the players paid employees, as they should be, and you’d have a point. But, as long as they are unpaid student athletes, the way Ewing is treating these guys by kicking them out of school for not playing basketball well enough (and to cover for Ewing’s many failures) is unacceptable.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 26, 2022 18:59:54 GMT -5
To be fair, the complaints only have to do with Tim I. who was a rising senior in good academic standing But again... If you go into next season with Tim as your starting center, there would be some serious hell raising going on. Look. Tim is fine. He wasn't sent back to Africa. He found a university home right here in the USA. He will be playing basketball. He will graduate with a college degree. It likely just won't say "Georgetown" on it. This happens in all collegiate athletics and has been forever. I have a son who went to a FBS school back in 2013 on a football scholarship. After his 3rd year, he was told that he would not have the opportunity to play the upcoming year because of what was in front of him and what was coming in. He was told he could stay around if he would like. What did we do? We thanked them for the 3 years and transferred to a FCS school, played football where he had a great season, graduated, and now he's working his dream job. It happens. You get over the hurt, course correct, and move on. That's life. Tim will get over the hurt, course correct, and move on. He will be fine. What if getting a degree from Georgetown was Tim’s priority? Seems as if he was doing everything right but he’s supposed to give that up because Pat Ewing is terrible and needs to find a way to fail with a different group? Ewing had his shot and he blew it, why should a guy like Tim pay the price for that?
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 26, 2022 16:42:55 GMT -5
There is literally nobody else in the basketball world other than Georgetown dumb enough to employ Pat Ewing after he’s shown what he’s all about the last five years. This is his last job and, unfortunately for us, he’ll likely have it for a long time. As he should...whose done more for GU? You or PE? He’s an important figure in the history of the school - both good and bad. He does not deserve to be employed for one more second. If he cared about Georgetown, he’d quit and promise never to step foot on campus again.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 26, 2022 12:44:50 GMT -5
He didn't get fired for 0-20, and they compromised everything the program said it was about for 50 years (aka "the Georgetown way") by running off players and hiring Nickelberry, so I don't think he needs to improve whatsoever to retain his job. He's here until the extension is done or some donor steps up and eats the contract - or until Jack steps down and someone new that wants to run things differently comes in. Looking at in terms of W-L is the wrong metric here, the metric is how much money is left on the extension. Or maybe a NBA GM will go nuts and hire him. Do we know if the Knicks need a new hc? There is literally nobody else in the basketball world other than Georgetown dumb enough to employ Pat Ewing after he’s shown what he’s all about the last five years. This is his last job and, unfortunately for us, he’ll likely have it for a long time.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 25, 2022 16:59:06 GMT -5
What about head coaches without prior head coaching experience? Must we do this in every thread? Yes
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 25, 2022 15:44:08 GMT -5
I’m happy for him. I didn’t think it would have been a good idea for him to jump into a full assistant role at a high major, but hopefully this is the first step on the path to a long and successful coaching career. One of my favorite Hoyas. Good for him. Hopefully Freeman can learn and succeed in this role and perhaps someday a Hoyas' fit will make sense. While I'd love to see Freeman on staff if warranted, I always thought guys like him needed experience at other places first before jumping straight to Georgetown. This isn't a reflection on Freeman at all - I would say the same about anybody looking for an assistant job at Georgetown. I think, barring special circumstances (like a super fantastic high school recruiter, for example), it doesn't make sense for a school like Georgetown to hire assistants without previous assistant experience. What about head coaches without prior head coaching experience?
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 24, 2022 17:53:42 GMT -5
Religion remains the worst thing ever invented by humans. I can’t believe that, in 2022, there are still people who believe any of this nonsense. How can people be so dumb? You’ve been so dedicated to your anti-Ewing shtick that I forgot about this side of your swell online personae. Nice to have you mixing it up. hm Maybe at some point I’ll be wrong about either topic but I’m not holding my breath.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 24, 2022 17:45:17 GMT -5
Just to be clear- that is your conclusion because he basically said, we need better players? Having heard nothing overt (or really implicit) in the interview speaking to running anyone off, I want to confirm how other(s) reached that conclusion. Is telling a player, "We need to be better next year, and I am going to try to recruit the best transfers possible; that may mean that you may not play a lot if we land some of those guys and they are better than you" running them off? The problem with this scenario is that scholarships are finite and for a transfer to come, someone has to go. What do you think happens if the less talented incumbent refuses to leave? Do they stop recruiting the transfer?
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 24, 2022 16:53:31 GMT -5
Glory be to God. One small step for mankind. Religion remains the worst thing ever invented by humans. I can’t believe that, in 2022, there are still people who believe any of this nonsense. How can people be so dumb?
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 24, 2022 9:16:55 GMT -5
There were alot of comments and microaggressions to the Fanta interview that I think started to openly cross the line. I actually was thinking that to myself before others brought it up here. Not from you, you are okay, but we have seen this before. There was a time when people thought a black player couldn't play middle linebaker because you had to be highly intelligent and have leadership skills. Then we saw the same thing with quarterbacks. It's still a big problem with head coaches. I've shown the numbers before but the disparity is still huge in head coaching, especially at the NCAA level and the cliches and stereotypes are still there. Name one thing Patrick Ewing does well as a coach. A single thing. Fleecing the university and allowing a Thompson to remain on the payroll doesn't count. He’s extremely good at teaching the players the all important skill of how to fail.
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