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[DFW HOYA]

www3.georgetown.edu/athletics/guhoyas/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112904aaa.html

[CAHoya07]

WOW! Where did they get this info, it's amazing. I hope they provide such an in-depth pre-game analysis before every game. BRAVO.

[TrueHoyaBlue]

Actually, my favorite part is that our record is 1-1-0... funny, I didn't realize there were ties in college basketball. ;D

[GUHoya07]

Haha, yeah, you can see how much work must have gone into this extensive preview. I was gonna comment on it before but I decided to restrain myself.

[CAHoya07]

TrueHoyaBlue said:

Actually, my favorite part is that our record is 1-1-0... funny, I didn't realize there were ties in college basketball. ;D

WOW, I didn't even notice that. Who do they hire to write this crap?

[jerseyhoya34]

I wrote it, so shut up.

[GUHoya07]

Yeah, sure Jersey. Did Shapland give you the job the other night after that lovely meeting at MCI?

[jerseyhoya34]

I may be a janitor, but I don't want to clean that mess up.

[DanMcQ]

JerseyHoya34 said:

I may be a janitor, but I don't want to clean that mess up.

Play nice now, we want to support the program.


...Hoop Club E-newsletter today (a new feature) included a preview and props to the shirt generator/wearers...

GAME PREVIEW: DAVIDSON
The Hoyas go on the road this week for the first time this season against Davidson (2-2) at Belk Arena, the 6,000 seat arena on the Davidson campus.

The Wildcats (2-2) are predicted to challenge for the Southern Conference title,  having won six SC titles since 1996. In 2004-05, the Wildcats have already defeated Missouri and challenged Duke and St. Joseph's in close losses.  A pair of Wildcats with NBA ties lead the team in 2004-05:  6-5 Brendan Winters (son of the former Warriors coach)
leads the team at 17.8 points per game, while 6-8 Logan  Kosmalski (son of former Kings player Len Kosmalski) averages 12 points and 8.3 rebounds a game.

The Wildcats have won 15 straight at Belk Arena since the 2002-03 season.

More on the Wildcats follows at this link to the Davidson athletics page: www2.davidson.edu/athletics/prog_mv/mvbsk/mbskhome.asp

DID YOU KNOW?

Georgetown and Davidson faced off for the first time ever last year, with the Hoyas winning 71-53 at MCI Center

Former Hoya standout, Kevin Braswell, is the starting point guard for the Florida Flames of the National Basketball Development League (NBDL) and is leading the league in assists (averaging 11.0 per game).


PRESIDENT'S MESSAGE

HOYA FANS,
     WE ARE GEORGETOWN!! The GREAT GRAY WALL of Georgetown students wearing the new "We are Georgetown" t-shirts last Monday for the opening game against Temple was an impressive sight indeed!!  Kudos go out especially to Hoya Blue for their energetic efforts in designing, producing and distributing the t-shirt, which is a wonderful emblem of the new era of Georgetown basketball!  The shirts have been on sale in a range of sizes for the bargain price of $10 at the MCI Center at the first two home games.  What a great idea for a stocking stuffer!!
     WE ARE GEORGETOWN!!  Beat Davidson!!
 Michael Karam
President, Hoya Hoop Club
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HOYA TRIVIA

Which player is ranked first in all-time points scored at Georgetown?
A) Jim Barry
B) Eric Floyd
C) Patrick Ewing
D) Reggie Williams
E) Alonzo Mourning

[GUHoya07]

I love how everyone within McDonough tries to make the t-shirt thing in to a Hoya Blue project. I've been happy to incorporate Hoya Blue now and work with them on distribution and all since I'm the basketball chair of HB. However, it is unfair for this to continually be called Hoya Blue's work. If we are going to give credit to anyone that helped me on this project then it should be given to JerseyHoya (who helped come up with the initial design) and CAHoya. Im not trying to discredit Hoya Blue with this post, but Im getting sick and tired of this thing being mis-labeled. All the work to get this completed was done independently by me with the help of Jersey and CAHoya, and HB is now simply helping to distribute them to students.

On edit: I'm not saying I want my name mentioned at all or that I want to be given any credit for this, but I don't want to see this mis-labeled as Hoya Blue's doing anymore. I want Hoya Blue to succeed, but to give Hoya Blue credit for something they had no part in until everything was pretty much done is not right either.

[Jack]

GUHoya2007- If you are the basketball chair for HB, you ARE Hoya Blue. Whether the idea for the shirt came from some designated Hoya Blue brainstorming session or from the back and forth on this board, the premise is that the shirts are a student idea and that they are being supported and distributed by official channels- ain't that cool.

On the one hand you say you are not looking for personal credit, and I believe you, but on the other it seems you want someone outside the official Hoya Blue organization to get credit. Instead of complaining about it, why not take this as an opportunity to show what a student supporter organization can do for everyone as opposed to the frequent charges of doing nothing, cronyism, and loutish drunkenness that we are accustomed to hearing against Hoya Blue.

[MCIGuy]

GUHoya2007 said:

I love how everyone within McDonough tries to make the t-shirt thing in to a Hoya Blue project. I've been happy to incorporate Hoya Blue now and work with them on distribution and all since I'm the basketball chair of HB. However, it is unfair for this to continually be called Hoya Blue's work. If we are going to give credit to anyone that helped me on this project then it should be given to JerseyHoya (who helped come up with the initial design) and CAHoya. Im not trying to discredit Hoya Blue with this post, but Im getting sick and tired of this thing being mis-labeled. All the work to get this completed was done independently by me with the help of Jersey and CAHoya, and HB is now simply helping to distribute them to students.

On edit: I'm not saying I want my name mentioned at all or that I want to be given any credit for this, but I don't want to see this mis-labeled as Hoya Blue's doing anymore. I want Hoya Blue to succeed, but to give Hoya Blue credit for something they had no part in until everything was pretty much done is not right either.

That is so messed up and unfair for them to give credit to the wrong group of people. What can I do to help ya, 007? Smack some people around or something?

I'm so moved by your plight that I have now come up with a signature slogan which I hope will put in motion the wheels of justice.

Please give credit where credit's due
the t-shirt idea wasn't Hoya Blue's

[jerseyhoya34]

Jack said:

GUHoya2007- If you are the basketball chair for HB, you ARE Hoya Blue. Whether the idea for the shirt came from some designated Hoya Blue brainstorming session or from the back and forth on this board, the premise is that the shirts are a student idea and that they are being supported and distributed by official channels- ain't that cool.

On the one hand you say you are not looking for personal credit, and I believe you, but on the other it seems you want someone outside the official Hoya Blue organization to get credit. Instead of complaining about it, why not take this as an opportunity to show what a student supporter organization can do for everyone as opposed to the frequent charges of doing nothing, cronyism, and loutish drunkenness that we are accustomed to hearing against Hoya Blue.

The problem is that this isn't an example of what HB can do, but rather, what students can do. This idea came from outside HB (via HoyaTalk) and brought about change in what their plans were in terms of t-shirts. While I appreciate their responsiveness to the idea, the idea was not their own. Furthermore, the reason for their distribution en masse has as much to do with HoyaTalk financiers as it does with HB; it has even more to do with the generosity of folks in McDonough. So, to assert the importance of HB's role in having t-shirts all over the place in MCI is slightly misguided, although they did a good job with physical distribution on site.

[GUHoya07]

Jack said:

Instead of complaining about it, why not take this as an opportunity to show what a student supporter organization can do for everyone as opposed to the frequent charges of doing nothing, cronyism, and loutish drunkenness that we are accustomed to hearing against Hoya Blue.

Maybe because the student supporter group has not yet shown that it can do something productive and I don't want it to be let off the hook and given a free pass as if it did something when it has not really accomplished much so far and needs a lot more work in order to truly be successful.

Maybe its because I feel as though the people in McDonough are falsely attributing things to HB simply to keep them going because they dont want another group to be started. I would love Hoya Blue to be successful, but you don't call an organization successful by giving them credit for things they haven't even done.

Jersey and CA are not on the Hoya Blue board and they did more work than anyone on the HB board, so they should get credit before Hoya Blue.

Also, why should we try to make the student supporter group look like it is succeeding when it may in fact just be many of the things you mentioned above. I want to see real lasting improvement and I dont hide things. Id much rather have a group going that truly does the things its supposed to do to increase spirit rather than give credit to a group that is not getting the job done and continuing the problem.

A lot of the confusion from people comes from the fact that I am technically the basketball chair of HB. Yeah, I may have been given that title but I still dont feel a strong connection to the group due to the fact that I feel it has failed the Georgetown student body miserably since I've been here and even with that title I wasn't working with them until just recently and was making plans for a new group. Yeah, the board has improved this year and I think they are sincerely trying. However, there are tons of problems left and I am doing many things, both individually and as a part of HB to improve support.

[FLHoya]

You're all missing the important issue here.

Which is...

that Kevin Braswell is playing in FLORIDA right now!!

Why was I not aware of this?

And look at those assist numbers--now granted that's only two games worth of stats, but nice to see Kevin dishing out assists all over Fort Myers (which if nothing else, definitely says "NBDL town" when I think about it).

I smell a trip to the Gulf Coast on X-mas break, give me a chance to break out the classic 00-01 #12.


Now on subject, I understand the whole issue with Hoya Blue, shirts, credit, etc. Without getting into it too much, I just offer this:

Which is the more powerful emotion experienced by those involved:

The anger that Hoya Blue continues to get credit they don't deserve for designing, promoting, soliciting donations for, and selling the Kurt shirts?

OR

The sense of pride in seeing what 1,000 students at MCI look like all wearing the shirt at the same time, and in knowing the tangible effect that things like that are having on the spirit in the student section and on campus?


Always good to remember why you work for the things you do. It helps you put up with some of the frustrations along the way.

[GUHoya07]

Oh, obviously the 1,000 students wearing the shirt at MCI is the most important. I just want to make sure that Hoya Blue or whatever student spirit organization is continuing to improve and truly doing its job right. I don't want it to look like everything has been resolved and HB is doing things perfectly when a ton still needs to be improved and accomplished.

[Jack]

Good on ya for your efforts thus far, and certainly fair to be critical of valid concerns with Hoya Blue. In the end, there is clearly not enough student support out there to justify more than one spirit organization and there is no sense fighting City Hall too hard- better to work with the AD and the organization it has supported and sanctioned.
Organizations like these have no place for elitism, whether it is on the part of the HB board, as it has been in the past, or on the part of those who may be considering counter-programming. Continue to demand better, but don't sweat the specifics of who gets credit for what- your reward will be seeing a student section worthy of a real basketball team and hopefully a basketball team worthy of a real student section.

[GUHoya07]

I agree with many of your points and we have the same goals in the end. However, I want to stress that I don't want to get credit for this, I just would rather not have anyone get credit than giving credit to a group simply to make it look credible when it needs a lot more work and changes to make it truly effective.

Ultimately all I care about is seeing great student fans in the stands and a student body that really cares about the basketball program and wants to support it.

Maybe the real problem here is that I have such higher expectations for student support and what a student booster club should do that I'm not satisfied with much. I always think we can do better and my goals are just so lofty that almost no one can understand how much I feel needs to be accomplished. The only people that might have some understanding of how I feel are probably CAHoya, FLHoya, and possibly JerseyHoya.

Now, in no way do I ever mean to question the main Hoya Blue board members. Most of the guys I know on the board are great guys and I would never say that they have bad intentions, I really feel that they mean well. The thing that bothers me though is that they aren't the most die-hard fans on this campus. My vision of a student booster club was always the most dedicated people who go to all the games painted up, decked out in wild oufits and lead the cheers. I always thought that these people should have sports and in this case basketball on their minds a great deal of the time and that they should always be thinking of new ways to increase spirit and excitement.

I arrived at Georgetown expecting such a group to exist and I was shocked to find out that the group that was in place was worthless. I was one of the first people at my first college basketball game last year and I thought it was awesome. However, it was missing a lot. Yeah, we cheered and enjoyed ourselves but there was no presence of a die-hard fan group that really generated excitement or unity. Hoya Blue then failed to do anything all year long and I just got more and more frustrated.

What I have come to realize is that there is probably no other student who has the same kind of passion for Georgetown Basketball and Georgetown athletics in general as I do. There are certainly some very passionate people like CAHoya and FLHoya, but I just think Im on a whole nother level. This obviously creates problems because I have such enormous expectations that almost no one else can even come close to understanding them.

Maybe we just don't have enough truly devoted student fans at Georgetown, I dont know, but in an ideal world I think that a student fan club board should be made up of the 10 wildest, most devoted Georgetown fans there are on campus, not just a group of guys who mean very well but aren't bound to its success in the bottom of their hearts.

Maybe this isnt possible at Georgetown, but I still refuse to believe it.

[DanMcQ]

GUHoya2007:

The email I posted part of came frmo the Hoya Hoop Club and, more specifically, Michael Karam, its president (the one who gave credit to Hoya Blue).

If you have an issue with HB getting credit where it is apparently not due, why not take it up directly with the source of the comments, Michael Karam?

Send him an email through Hoya Unlimitied:

[e-mail]

I see your point that it was probably more you and a couple other guys' effort than HB as a whole, but perhaps he doesn't know that. What's the problem with him congratulating the students and HB for being organized enough to get a whole section wearing the same shirt and supporting their team?

[Bahstin]

Consider me one who doesn't understand how Halloween attire translates into being more of a fan. When I was at Gtown, I went to every game, cheered loudly, annoyed the opponents, and left without a voice. I never dressed up in "wild outfits." Was I somehow less of a fan?

I guess I don't have any problem with it, it's just that when I see it on TV, I am confused as how that is supposed to help the team. Take Raider games for example. What exactly makes a 50 yr old man decide to paint his face and wear a spike collar? Can you see him at home in front of a mirror 6 hours before the game asking his wife to hand him his fake blood?

Sorry for thread hijack and the Frank Black like rant, but I just don't get why the fact that HB people don't wear costumes is any indication of how much of fans they are.