Jeff need not to return to school next year

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

velvetelvis said:

Yes. Very bold prediction. Since we are now in the clairvoyant mode, I would like to add a few to the list:

1) Fred Taylor gets injured next year.
2) Daylight Savings will begin this Sunday
3) Britney Spears loses custody of her children
4) Matthew McConaughey will star in a romantic comedy
5) His shirt will come off
6) Another Tupac album will be released
7) I will skip work and watch hoops during the month of March
8) hifigator will have a dozen non-georgetown related post in the next 6-10 days
9) BuffaloHoya will tell him to go away and never come back
10) LIC will use emoticons in a post

11) The sun will come up tomorrow.
12) Syracuse will continue to suck.

[RDF]

The idea of leaving early for NBA is about maximizing your ability to make money initially and to be prepared to be one of the top players--which means you'll make even more down the road. Most kids these days leave at first hint they might be a "lottery pick". Well there is a BIG difference in being selected in top 3, top 5, and then top 12. Everyone's situation is different--some need to leave no matter what due to needing money to help support their family. Others leave because they think they are better then they are. Thing is--you can always get better as a player--but some kids need to take advantage of timing/where they would be selected and others need to stay and develop their game.

Specifically speaking on Jeff--I think he's one of the top 5 players in the country but I'm biased. His game translates over to NBA and yet depending on who enters the Draft and needs of teams selecting--Jeff could go as low as out of top 10 this year. If that's case--he should return. I don't know what he'll do and I'll support him either way, but it would be foolish to leave millions of dollars out there when he could claim it next year. If he's told he would go higher--then he should go. I personally think Green could improve his play to show he can play at the level we've seen since late January to an entire year.

Thing is--it doesn't matter what I say, what HoyaatHeart says, what anyone says--kids do what they want and don't always think of things we do as adults/fans and that is fine by me. As a Hoya fan, I want to see Jeff leave with guys he came in with and thrill me for another year--but if he does leave, it won't change anything--I still appreciate him and support him no matter what. This program is bigger then anyone and it's not like the team would drop off the face of the planet--the parts are there to be in contention for a long time now--so let's just win the BET, and see if we can pull off the NCAA's and enjoy the time we KNOW he'll be here. Worry about this other stuff when time comes. Will say that staying in school didn't hurt Ewing, Mourning, Duncan, Grant Hill, come Draft time and it's your GAME that decides your fate--not some wives tale about "If you stay longer, they pick your game apart....." if the teams are doing their jobs correctly, they should pick your game apart from Day One and make decisions based on who can play and who can't.

[casualhoya]

VelvetElvis loves HoyaTalk board politics.

Casually.

[HoyaAtHeart]

buffalohoya said:

hoyaatheart said:

Ehh...i wont even have to say I told you so in May because I already know he's not coming back anyway.

Somebody needs to get off their high horse. As if you're the only person predicting Jeff leaves early.

Never said I was...im not the one giving little smart ass remarks cause I honestly couldnt care less so please show me this high horse I'm apparently on.

[hoyatables]

stpetersburghoya said:

hoyaatheart said:

Exactly....they arent going to care about what the team does. They are judging individual performances...and HE is having a great season.

As for the grammar comment...I won't even attempt to go back and forth with you. You win...congrats.

Ehh...i wont even have to say I told you so in May because I already know he's not coming back anyway.

Ellipses ... need not ... be used so ... frequently. Also, they are being used improperly. You should always leave a space between the end or beginning of a word and ellipses.

And in certain contexts, you also need to include a space (non-breaking preferred) betwee each period in the ellipsis.

[VelvetElvis]

High Horse:

images.usatoday.com/sports/horses/_photos/2006-05-21-barbaro-topper2.jpg

[casualhoya]

VelvetElvis invoking the tragic death of Barbaro to prove his points.

Casual.

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"VelvetElvis invoking the tragic HILARIOUS death of Barbaro to prove his points.

Casual."


There. Fixed it for ya.

[TX Hoya]

HoyaAtHeart - I agree with you completely, although the suggestion that Noah has "played himself out of the lottery" is ridiculous. Jeff's stock is likely trading at an all-time high. He's never going to average 20 & 10 in this system, and quite frankly, I don't know if he could do it in another system. He is the quintessential centerpiece to this machine they call the Princeton offense (see side note below). A national championship and similar season is the only thing that might drive his stock higher, but he's likely never going to be a top 5 NBA pick. I've said it before, but I don't think he's going to be a major impact player in the NBA, beacuse the NBA is not his game. The NBA is not basketball - it's one-on-one while 4 others stand around and watch. Jeff is great within a system, but I'm skeptical about all you guys breaking out the annointing oil as to his chances in the NBA.

(Side note: A good friend of mine played 3 years at Princeton before going to play pro baseball, so I've seen a fair number of Princeton games. It's a beautiful offense to watch, and for a team with inferior athletes, it allows them to compete when they otherwise shouldn't. What I think is awesome is that we are running this same fundamental system with legit D-1, top 100 ATHLETES. It's great that the players have bought into the system, and with athletes, it allows for so many more variations of the offense.)

[CO_Hoya]

marshallwhite said:

(Side note: A good friend of mine played 3 years at Princeton before going to play pro baseball, so I've seen a fair number of Princeton games.

Um, Chris Young, per chance?

[casualhoya]

On behalf of the millions (and millions!) of Barbaro fans around the world, I hereby challenge BuffaloHoya to a joust.

[VelvetElvis]

I am outing CasualHoya as Dee Mirch of Middle Indiana!

[TX Hoya]

a very good guess...

[paranoya]

marshallwhite said:

HoyaAtHeart - I agree with you completely, although the suggestion that Noah has "played himself out of the lottery" is ridiculous. Jeff's stock is likely trading at an all-time high. He's never going to average 20 & 10 in this system, and quite frankly, I don't know if he could do it in another system. He is the quintessential centerpiece to this machine they call the Princeton offense (see side note below). A national championship and similar season is the only thing that might drive his stock higher, but he's likely never going to be a top 5 NBA pick. I've said it before, but I don't think he's going to be a major impact player in the NBA, beacuse the NBA is not his game. The NBA is not basketball - it's one-on-one while 4 others stand around and watch. Jeff is great within a system, but I'm skeptical about all you guys breaking out the annointing oil as to his chances in the NBA.

(Side note: A good friend of mine played 3 years at Princeton before going to play pro baseball, so I've seen a fair number of Princeton games. It's a beautiful offense to watch, and for a team with inferior athletes, it allows them to compete when they otherwise shouldn't. What I think is awesome is that we are running this same fundamental system with legit D-1, top 100 ATHLETES. It's great that the players have bought into the system, and with athletes, it allows for so many more variations of the offense.)

I dont think Jeff's game will translate well in the NBA either. He is too much of a tweener (isnt tall/big enough to post up consistently in the NBA at the 4 and doesnt have a good enough handle/consistent long range shot to be a 3). However, I hope I'm wrong and will wish him the best whenver he chooses to go. He also could work on and develop these skills in the future wherever he is playing which I am sure he will attempt to do.

[HoyaAtHeart]

I'm skeptical as to why people think his game won't translate to the NBA Well...Jeff is part of new hybrid big man group that includes guys like Boris Diaw, Luke Walton, Julian Wright, etc. (Julian Wright is a little bit more advanced athletically) Big men with a wide range of skills that might not do one thing great but does everything well. And in the right offense can thrive.

And im glad someone else sees it the way I do...Jeff's stock is high right now (But I guess there is no way I could possibly know that right). Alot of people have him late lottery right now in a deep draft. While next year's draft (pending on Oden and Durant's decisions) isnt likely to be as deep...there is still enough talent likely coming out in in 08 that Jeff probably will still be a late lottery pick at best.

[lichoya68]

OK JEFF GREEN TODL THE EXAMINER REPORTER LAST WEEK AND I SEMI QUOTE." ive told you guys ie the reporters AND MY MOM im staying at georgetown for four years." go hoyas go jeff ;D

[Cambridge]

marshallwhite said:

HoyaAtHeart - I agree with you completely, although the suggestion that Noah has "played himself out of the lottery" is ridiculous. Jeff's stock is likely trading at an all-time high. He's never going to average 20 & 10 in this system, and quite frankly, I don't know if he could do it in another system. He is the quintessential centerpiece to this machine they call the Princeton offense (see side note below). A national championship and similar season is the only thing that might drive his stock higher, but he's likely never going to be a top 5 NBA pick. I've said it before, but I don't think he's going to be a major impact player in the NBA, beacuse the NBA is not his game. The NBA is not basketball - it's one-on-one while 4 others stand around and watch. Jeff is great within a system, but I'm skeptical about all you guys breaking out the annointing oil as to his chances in the NBA.

(Side note: A good friend of mine played 3 years at Princeton before going to play pro baseball, so I've seen a fair number of Princeton games. It's a beautiful offense to watch, and for a team with inferior athletes, it allows them to compete when they otherwise shouldn't. What I think is awesome is that we are running this same fundamental system with legit D-1, top 100 ATHLETES. It's great that the players have bought into the system, and with athletes, it allows for so many more variations of the offense.)

Could you ask your friend, Mr. Young, whether should I designate him as a keeper in my fantasy league?

[TX Hoya]

hoyaatheart said:

I'm skeptical as to why people think his game won't translate to the NBA Well...Jeff is part of new hybrid big man group that includes guys like Boris Diaw, Luke Walton, Julian Wright, etc. (Julian Wright is a little bit more advanced athletically) Big men with a wide range of skills that might not do one thing great but does everything well. And in the right offense can thrive.

And im glad someone else sees it the way I do...Jeff's stock is high right now (But I guess there is no way I could possibly know that right). Alot of people have him late lottery right now in a deep draft. While next year's draft (pending on Oden and Durant's decisions) isnt likely to be as deep...there is still enough talent likely coming out in in 08 that Jeff probably will still be a late lottery pick at best.

The notion that Durant would even consider staying is ridiculous. I agree with your point on LWalton, Diaw, etc, but those guys even seem to be role players on their teams. You are right, though, that they need to be in the right offense, it's just hard to actually determine what "offense" means in the NBA world.

[TX Hoya]

cambridgehoya said:

marshallwhite said:

Could you ask your friend, Mr. Young, whether should I designate him as a keeper in my fantasy league?

That's a no-brainer, cambridge. Did you see his numbers last year (wins excluded)? I've got him as a 4th Tier keeper in my league.

[Cambridge]

marshallwhite said:

cambridgehoya said:

marshallwhite said:

Could you ask your friend, Mr. Young, whether should I designate him as a keeper in my fantasy league?

That's a no-brainer, cambridge. Did you see his numbers last year (wins excluded)? I've got him as a 4th Tier keeper in my league.

I'm well aware of his stats, I would just like to make some bold statement at our auction this Sunday...something along the lines of "Chris Young personally assured me of at least 17 wins and an ERA under three and half...so I'm keeping him. Says his stuff has been nasty this spring."