dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 27, 2007 8:28:04 GMT -5
Btw- I think we did show up tonight, we just didn't have that "umph"...had this game been on tomorrow i think we'd win. also, we might loose on saturday b/c a) uconn always plays us well...and b) it's a full moon.
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Madgesdiq
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Post by Madgesdiq on Feb 27, 2007 8:45:51 GMT -5
no one, other than ewing, played even reasonably well on either end of the floor. Ewing seemed to thrive on the pressure. I thought Rivers played well defensively. He at least was able to stop the Syracuse guards from penetrating at will.
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town05
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Post by town05 on Feb 27, 2007 9:11:57 GMT -5
Does anybody want to buy my Big East tickets? I don't feel like going for just one day. OK ;D
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nodak89
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Post by nodak89 on Feb 27, 2007 9:24:59 GMT -5
Devendorf has entered my top 10 of least favorite Big East players of all time tonight, passing Carl Krauser for 9th. You and my wife should start a bowling team, Madge . . . she NEVER watches games with me, and all she could say was how much she hate him. She isn't allowed to watch anymore games . . . the one she watches, they lose. The sky isn't falling, but this was a miserable loss. p.s. she is over my shoulder telling me "not to put anything about her in your little thing" and "to stop falsifying things. . . ." She now says "You wait, I am going to start my own type and chat board" double, I started laughing reading this post last night. I read it to me wife and she said, tell his wife to meet at the home and garden message board. ;D ps I thought I was handling this loss like a mature adult. I had to tape the game and I peeked at the score in the second half (down 4) and then peeked in again and we were down 16. Uggh. At that point I turned off the VCR (I'm just slightly ahead of Nevada in the TV technology dept--I've got cable), and watched the last 2 minutes live. The danger of the "streak" had nothing to do with jinxes or pressure. It's just that the Hoyas are NOT PERFECT and will lose eventually. I had acutally hoped it wouldn't be until Dec 2007, but..... Apparently the sight of Devendork et al prancing and storming affected me deeply. I was tormented by nightmares about that game. I guess that's what it means to lose to your number 1 rival. Torment invades even the deep recesses of sleep. I WANT THE CUSE IN THE BET!!!!!!!!!
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Feb 27, 2007 9:38:11 GMT -5
Pure statistics - in this world of college basketball parity where everyone loses & everyone plays a bad game - do you think our chances are better 1) winning 21 games in a row----or 2) winning 9 games in a row (something we have already done this year) The game is over - look ahead to a great win Saturday and a hopefully great ride through March - and if we are to lose again - let's hope it is in MSG - then we only have to win 5 in a row. Lets keep our eye on the prize here.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 27, 2007 9:50:17 GMT -5
The wheels came off. The steak is over. They screwed the pooch. Exhale. Now take a deep breath. Realize that even the water boy was off tonight. Know that they will take this loss harder than any of us fans. Remember that they are all just college kids achieving great things under tremendous pressure. They will be back for UCONN and ready to play. Have faith. Trust in Coach Thompson. Great things await. Go Hoyas! I hope you're wrong about that. My guess is that the fans get way more emotional about this stuff than the players. I'm sure they're p***ed off but that will go away once they get a chance to look at the film and get to practice. We'll have all week to agonize over this.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 27, 2007 9:56:16 GMT -5
You and my wife should start a bowling team, Madge . . . she NEVER watches games with me, and all she could say was how much she hate him. She isn't allowed to watch anymore games . . . the one she watches, they lose. The sky isn't falling, but this was a miserable loss. p.s. she is over my shoulder telling me "not to put anything about her in your little thing" and "to stop falsifying things. . . ." She now says "You wait, I am going to start my own type and chat board" double, I started laughing reading this post last night. I read it to me wife and she said, tell his wife to meet me a tthe home and garden message board. ;D ps I thought I was handling this loss like a mature adult. I had to tape the game and I peeked at the score in the second half (down 4) and then peeked in again and we were down 16. Uggh. At that point I turned off the VCR (I'm just slightly ahead of Nevada in the TV technology dept--I've got cable), and watched the last 2 minutes live. The danger of the "streak" had nothing to do with jinxes or pressure. It's just that the Hoyas are NOT PERFECT and will lose eventually. I had acutally hoped it wouldn't be until Dec 2007, but..... Apparently the sight of Devendork et al prancing and storming affected my deeply. I was tormented by nightmares about that game. I guess that's what it means to lose to your number 1 rival. Torment invades even the deep recesses of sleep. I WANT THE CUSE IN THE BET!!!!!!!!! I want Cuse too. We split with them last year, after beating them at home on an emotional Senior Day. Anyone remember that? Or does everyone remember how we lost to them in the BET? I would love, love, LOVE to reverse last year on them. And, btw, for those who said we weren't battling--with about 5 min left, we started to shut them down and getting stops, and we cut it to 11. Cuse is in full stall mode and starting to get tight. We then got two turnovers in a row b/w the 4min mark and the 3 min mark, but missed two open threes in a row from the corner. We make them, we win. We missed and it got out of control. Happens. We will get them next time.
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Post by GPHoya on Feb 27, 2007 10:23:39 GMT -5
If Tiger Woods can lose to Nick O'Hern, Georgetown can lose to Syracuse.
The Hoyas are not a team of boundless gifts and for an extended period, they have played close to that elusive concept of full potential. They have been caught in a mini-slump in which they gutted out wins over Villanova, Cincinnati and Pitt without playing nearly as well as they did against Louisville, Marquette and West Virginia. If you were paying attention, you could see this one coming.
Anyone who competes at anything knows that some days you have it and some days you don't. While preparation, rest, desire, confidence and focus all factor into successful outcomes, there are mysterious days when it is just not there. Coaches emphasize defense, rebounding and hustle because those variables can be controlled and statistically the Hoyas were not that far off on those indicia of effort last night. Shooting, instantaneous judgment and even catching the ball are more mercurial and last night they were not there.
Streaks and slumps are part of human endeavor. We have only game between now and next Thursday and as important as it is for seeding and prestige, it is most important for momentum. I hope folks will postpone their Spring Break plans long enough to give the team a boost in rebuilding the momentum as this team and program deserve that support.
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KHoyaNYC
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 27, 2007 10:29:42 GMT -5
Nice post GPHoya. Dead on.
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Feb 27, 2007 10:50:15 GMT -5
So many of you have said it so well. I particularly like this one:
"A better team had a horrible game against a decent team on an emotional night. Most teams have games like this along the way- we just happened to be so fortunate as to have it against the team that a HUGE portion of our fans hates more than any other team in the universe."
Bingo.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 27, 2007 11:41:16 GMT -5
My two cents.
We had a bad night. Get over it. Main problem was shooting. If we shot our usual % we probably win the game. Also too many turnovers. And foul trouble for Roy.
Lost in the discussion is that we out-rebounded Syracuse 26-25.
I disagree with the contention that we were not fired up and only PEJr and, perhaps, Rivers were into it. Does anyone remember the play where Roy had the ball to the right of the basket with three people on him and he fought his way to get a pass off to a teammate? I also disagree that Jeff was not fired up. Look at his 10 rebounds. And Jesse was surely fired up as could be seen with his attempts (however unsuccessful) at taking the ball to the basket on fast breaks.
Seems to me III wanted to let the team try a little of a fast pace (some on this board have repeatedly called for it) and it didn't work out too well.
I thought Rivers had a decent game, on ball-handling, rebounds and defense.
This game is merely an illustration of how dangerous upcoming one-and-out tournaments are. A team has to be good, have a good game and be lucky.
I hated to lose to Syracuse but that's the way it is. The sky is not falling. We still have the best, or one of the best, teams in the BE and in the country.
Let's move on.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 27, 2007 11:46:17 GMT -5
Ed, the rebounding is a really good point. Especially when you consider that we couldn't hit a shot and that the average team gets 65% of D rebounds.
We had a great defensive rebounding day. So that's one bright spot. We turned the ball over a lot and couldn't hit a shot. Next.
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YB
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Post by YB on Feb 27, 2007 12:14:13 GMT -5
OK, I've finally calmed down enough to post my thoughts...
11 in a row- against good competition, streaks like this don't last forever anymore.
Last night was our 3rd game in 5 days (Weds, Sat, Mon). I got the feeling they had little left in the tank- the way they weren't getting out on shooters, the way the shots weren't falling or falling short... just a tired bunch. And even still, we were ahead midway thru the 2nd half- so this is not a measure of our regression.
Sad that we had to lose to the "Inmate Color"s- but let's take out some rested regression on the hated Yukons....
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 27, 2007 12:15:03 GMT -5
Just to feed more "Cheddar Bob" is a punk, there is widespread agreement on the Big East boards. When Green blocked him, Cheddar Bob started yapping at him. Green didn't respond, so Cheddar Bob (after throwing the ball off Green and then away) tried to trip him on the way up the floor.
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hifigator
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Post by hifigator on Feb 27, 2007 12:38:43 GMT -5
From my perspective:
That game was a classic case of the home team feeding off of the crowd and perhaps being a little bit more desperate. For what it's worth, all the pundits were basically saying that a Syracuse win would cement their bid to the dance, while a loss would place them squarly on the bubble, likely needing a win against Pitt I think.
I think the two quick fouls against Roy hurt obviously, but to be at the point you were at halftime, I thought you weathered the storm. But for whatever reason, they got hot and hit 3 or 4 in a row midway through the second half, strecthing the lead to ten at that point and you didn't really seem to have much of a shot after that.
Lastly, the announcers were so pro Syracuse it was sickening. Any questionable call against the Orange was followed by "sure didn't see that ..." or "certainly a ticky-tack call there ..." but they sure didn's say those same things about calls on the Hoyas.
One time in particular -- it was Jeff's first foul of the game as an orange player went up for a layup Green tried to block it as he sailed behind. I swear he didn't touch him. But they called the foul and he had a shot at the old fashioned three.
Just a few minutes later, Jeff gave a good ball fake getting the Orange player in the air. THen he gets inside of him and puts up a nice little 12 foot jumper. Sure enough, the Syracuse player tries to block it from behind and is whistled for a foul. But in this case the announcers were quick to point out that there wasn't much of a foul if any. The irony was that the plays were almost identical. At least in that instance the refs were consistent but the announcers were very far from it.
Question, on Hibbert's second foul, it looked like the defender just flopped, but in fairness the camera angles were not very good. Was there any conversation on that call up your way?
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Post by HoyasSkins on Feb 27, 2007 12:43:45 GMT -5
Just to feed more "Cheddar Bob" is a punk, there is widespread agreement on the Big East boards. When Green blocked him, Cheddar Bob started yapping at him. Green didn't respond, so Cheddar Bob (after throwing the ball off Green and then away) tried to trip him on the way up the floor. Could you give the link to the boards?
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 27, 2007 12:47:51 GMT -5
NovaPittIn a sports bar, I honestly couldn't tell what was going on and definitely didn't see a trip. But here's two independent sources. Hifi - that call on Hibbert was embarassing. Hibbert did nothing and the defender just fell down.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Feb 27, 2007 12:59:00 GMT -5
Forgot about that portion of Cheddar Bob's game until SF Hoya brought it up - it did totally look like he tried to trip Green in the near corner under the basket when we started to move the ball upcourt during the second half - my wife noticed it before I did. Rewound it and it sure seemed like that to me.
It's clear that even that Otto lookalike McDonough doesn't like Cheddar Bob. He's looks like he should have been an extra opposing Wesley Snipes and Woody Harrelson in one of those tournament games in White Men Can't Jump.
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hifigator
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Post by hifigator on Feb 27, 2007 13:08:20 GMT -5
NovaPittIn a sports bar, I honestly couldn't tell what was going on and definitely didn't see a trip. But here's two independent sources. Hifi - that call on Hibbert was embarassing. Hibbert did nothing and the defender just fell down. That's what it looked like to me too. Hibbs had the defender sealed off squarely behind him and raised his arms to give a target for the pass and the guy fell back on his a$$. But there was an immediate whistle. The feed we got only gave one replay and it was very quick and showed nothing.
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mdhoya97
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Post by mdhoya97 on Feb 27, 2007 13:15:36 GMT -5
Glad I was working on-call and missed the game. I don't know if i have the heart to watch it on the DVR. i think deleting it might just purge the thought from my head that we lost to 'Cuse.... god of all teams that the streak had to end with... argh... oh well. Cannot wait til saterday when the boys are rested, reinvigorated to to thrash a rival.
If this loss leads to another 10 game weaning streak then i guess it is acceptable. -m
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