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Post by town05 on Feb 26, 2007 21:52:43 GMT -5
No frankly I have not noticed his dribble, because 80% of the time when he gets the ball, he throws hit right back before putting it on the floor. I don't know what space you are referring to, but he is never within 20 feet of the basket nor does he hold onto the ball for more than a second or three. seems to me like you're missing 20% of the game then, genius.
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Post by thebin on Feb 26, 2007 21:53:59 GMT -5
Its not venom. Grow up. You are the one taking this too personally now. I just don't understand why he plays so much. I can't imagine he is that much better than Crawford to be getting double his minutes. Are you his boy or something? All the Hoyas are my home boys. I don't like to see individual Hoyas get dogged on a Georgetown message board, especially one who played better than most of his teammates on a wretched night. It's unseemly. Look we are all on the same team Locker, but I feel free to vent about things on this board on the night of a loss, knowing the threads will be well buried by tomorow. Call it therapy. Its never personal stuff, and I only air it in house, never in front of others, but come on...these are young men, not a junior high team.
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town05
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Post by town05 on Feb 26, 2007 21:54:01 GMT -5
hey bin, stop editing your posts. you're just stuttering. t-t-t-t-today junior!
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Post by thebin on Feb 26, 2007 21:55:02 GMT -5
Oh don't be all Editedyy with me. We are all ticked about the loss, but its no reason to pretend Rivers isn't the weakest link of the guys getting real minutes. Or would you like to suggest another candidate for that role? No frankly I have not noticed his dribble, because 80% of the time when he gets the ball, he throws hit right back before putting it on the floor. I don't know what space you are referring to, but he is never within 20 feet of the basket nor does he hold onto the ball for more than a second or three. seems to me like you're missing 20% of the game then, genius.
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Post by RDF on Feb 26, 2007 21:56:25 GMT -5
bin, freshman earn their spots just like everyone else. Oh man I sure hope our frosh guards can earn a spot from the likes of Rivers...or people have been stretching the truth on how good they are. and for the record...i am NOT blaming this loss on Rivers. Its just bugged me all year how much PT he gets...RDF says there is more to basketball than shooting. What is Rivers doing besides throwing the ball to the most open guy on the floor- who is nowhere near near enough to shoot? What value is he bringing to the table that I am not seeing...I am willing to listen. But "rivers didn't lose this game" is not an arguement for why he brings value. If you read the post-I explained what he brings--the kid is our best defensive guard--and especially on the ball--he created turnovers--he gets rebounds, and he hit the only shot he took--within the offense which so many were going ape over with Wallace/Sapp. I had no problem with Jon or Jessie's shooting--that happens but their decision making and turnovers CANNOT happen. Rivers is a role player in his FR season--when guys aren't hitting shots--his role becomes less of a need because you need scoring--that is where Wright/Freeman will come in next year--so it's been addressed. But to blame him and trash him is silly--especially when you as a fan/viewer totally discount one end of the court as being important. Defense is important too--especially when you are behind--notice he didn't give up a lot of open looks? Notice how difficult it was for Devendork when Rivers was checking him? Same with Rautins. The kid is a player and is going to be a big asset to the program down the road-but right now he plays his role and he and Ewing were the only two kids who brought an effort worthy of Championship caliber basketball on a night we needed entire team to bring it.
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Post by town05 on Feb 26, 2007 21:58:29 GMT -5
haha you quoted him and he corrected you... nice.
rupurtle!
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Post by mapei on Feb 26, 2007 22:00:08 GMT -5
I take issue with all those that claim we were "acting like punks" tonight, or that we didn't have the "TYPE OF EFFORT/INTENSITY IS NEEDED." I won't address the former, as that is ridiculous. As for the latter, you must have been watching a different game. I though everyone was hustling and trying. We lost because we shot terribly, and turned the ball over. I blame 3 players for that. J.Sapp 5-19 with 5 TO's J.Wall 2-19 with 4 TO's D.Summ 2-14 with 0 TO's I hate to say it, but you have to add Jeff to that list: 3-13 with 4 TOs. His defense, fortunately, was pretty good (boards, steals, and blocks), and he had some assists, too - but I think he may have played himself out of POY tonight. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) We'll see. Rivers is so not the problem. I haven't a clue why JT3 doesn't like to play Tyler, but I trust his judgment on that, and Rivers has stepped up and played much better over the last 7-8 games or so. I think he's coming along. Even tonight, he had the one big shot, 3 boards, an assist, 2 steals, and a block. The main problem with Roy lately is getting into early foul trouble, so he loses minutes and doesn't get into the flow of the game. Syracuse shot lights out in the second half and completely shut down Jeff. I don't think he even got a point in the second. Their D was very good. On our end, I think our energy was OK, but our shooting and passing were horrid. The passing was particularly bad and, for a team that plays our offense, that's a killer. It wasn't our night. Next game.
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Post by reggie on Feb 26, 2007 22:02:41 GMT -5
Bin why are you blaming this loss on rivers? he played good D tonight, better than most of our team. stop blaming the loss on him.
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Post by guru on Feb 26, 2007 22:03:13 GMT -5
We played horrible. But you give me 12-3 at the start of the Big East season, I'll take it. Now we have motivation to BRUTALIZE UConn in the home finale, and then (if things break our way) to ABSOLUTELY DESTROY the Orangemen in a revenge game in NYC. Does anyone around here doubt we'd win a BET rematch with this SU team by at least double digits? I can't wait...
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Post by mapei on Feb 26, 2007 22:04:46 GMT -5
I don't know about the double digits, but I certainly like our chances for the win!
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 26, 2007 22:04:47 GMT -5
mapei - when TC was in the game tonight he looked lost. Rivers was strong on defense and I don't think he played poorly on offense - he just did not do much, other than the one 3, to distinguish himself tonight. In that, he fit in nicely with the other guards.
The front line, aside from Ewing, had a miserable night shooting. The rims seemed awfully tight, but Summers, Green, and Hibbert all looked like they were rushing their shots. In some ways, it looked a lot like the first 10 minutes of the last Pitt game when they were too fired up.
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Post by HoyaInsomniac on Feb 26, 2007 22:06:01 GMT -5
I HATE SYRACUSE.
Ugh. There is no way this loss is going to bring down this fantastic week of skiing, so I'm just gonna look ahead to UConn. Cuse can just keep hoping they'll never see us again... cause they will get destroyed.
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Post by mapei on Feb 26, 2007 22:08:54 GMT -5
mapei - when TC was in the game tonight he looked lost. Rivers was strong on defense and I don't think he played poorly on offense - he just did not do much, other than the one 3, to distinguish himself tonight. In that, he fit in nicely with the other guards. The front line, aside from Ewing, had a miserable night shooting. The rims seemed awfully tight, but Summers, Green, and Hibbert all looked like they were rushing their shots. In some ways, it looked a lot like the first 10 minutes of the last Pitt game when they were too fired up. We agree on all that, Dan. When I said that I didn't have a clue why Tyler wasn't playing more, I didn't mean to say that I thought he should - just that I didn't know the story. And the rims were tight for both teams, right? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 26, 2007 22:09:41 GMT -5
No, they were only tight for the team that was rushing all their shots.
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Post by reggie on Feb 26, 2007 22:14:08 GMT -5
If one or two of those three with like 6 minutes left had fallen, we're right back in the game with a good chance to win, the rims were too tight and they shot better than they can ever shoot again, humbling loss (even though we dont need to be humbled cause we're that good) and its good it came before the tournaments
that was our last away game of the season, the rest of the time we are neutral at worst, and i like our chances
its a new era when syracuse rushes the court when they beat us, let them celebrate the highlight of their mediocre / horrid season and move on and do what we all really want which is win the tourneys
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Post by reggie on Feb 26, 2007 22:15:46 GMT -5
oh and bin, you got rupertled, bad
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 26, 2007 22:15:51 GMT -5
The front line, aside from Ewing, had a miserable night shooting. The rims seemed awfully tight, but Summers, Green, and Hibbert all looked like they were rushing their shots. In some ways, it looked a lot like the first 10 minutes of the last Pitt game when they were too fired up. I agree that Summers and Green had an awful night shooting, infact Summers has been in a slump for the last 2-3 games that we need him to come out of. But Roy did not have a miserable night shooting...infact he shot 75%, unfortunately that 75% was only 3 out of 4. We need the gaurds to get him the ball. The only thing we can blame Roy on tonight was his foul trouble and even a little of that can be blamed on the refs.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Feb 26, 2007 22:16:17 GMT -5
Had a couple Bud Heavies at bando's place, yelled at the TV a bunch, thought about throwing stuff (hard to do at somebody else's place) walked home, feel better. It's Cuse, but it's only one game. 12-3 in the Big East. Few of us predicted 13-3 or 12-4. I'm stoked knowing we'll get one or the other (rather have 13-3 no doubt)
Yes, tonight sucks. Yes, there are things that MUST be worked on for us to continue to perform at the highest level (think III doesn't know that? He says it all the time -- even after great wins!) But all the negativity is off the mark. Vent vent vent, but keep it in perspective.
Tonight wasn't Baby Doc's fault. It wasn't III's fault. It wasn't Jeff's fault, Roy's fault, Jon's fault, Jessie's fault, or DaJuan's fault. It definitely wasn't Tay's fault (nice 3!). Tonight we played bad team basketball, the intangibles didn't go our way, Cuse played over their heads (which will happen), and our shots didn't fall. I'm not glossing things over (better analysis has been done by posters already ... I don't need to replicate), and we can DEFINITELY play better ball; I'm just not freaking out either. Over it, done with in, onto UConn.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 26, 2007 22:17:33 GMT -5
Oh also...nice 3 by Tay at the end there
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Post by irishhoya05 on Feb 26, 2007 22:20:26 GMT -5
I can't believe all these negative posts right now..... Does losing to cuse suck? Of course it does. But we had an off night, and it was bount to happen at some point. WE WON ELEVEN BIG EAST GAME IN A ROW E-L-E-V-E-N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Open threes weren't falling, we were missing layups and easy putbacks, and they were making everything they threw up at the basket in the last 10 minutes. JTIII didn't get outcoached either, that's absolutely ridiculous. Three years ago, we had a losing record and he got us to the point where syracuse is rushing the court after they beat us. Three years ago we needed to rely on another team losing to sneak into the BET while this year we can be co-champions
I'm ashamed by some of the reactions tonight. It was a bad game. Take a deep breath, relax and move on.
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