Green and Hibbert

[WVHoyasfan]

With all this talk about Green and Hibbert could be a first rounder in the nba draft... I really starting to worry that they might me leaving if they find out they are a first round pick.Has anybody heard anything about them and what they are planning on doing.

[1984alloveragain]

I get the sense (optimistic) that these two young men realize whether they go into the NBA this year or next, they're both gonna be millionaires regardless, so why not get the fullest experience you can at such an incredible institution - while fulfilling the goals they set before they came here with the other two juniors that they would RESTORE the pride into the University's most important and recognizable squad. They are hungry to put BANNERSSSS up into the rafters - and I think events such as the gala and the celebration of the 100th year anniversary helps them think of the impact that final, and possibly UNFORGETTABLE senior year could do for the Tradition of CHAMPIONS at Georgetown.

They are already getting to the point of being ALL-TIME greats and favorites of the Hoya BBALL Team, but next year would be their chance to DOMINATE the BEAST and CBB like in the early years of the conference, which is something that even the world's wealthiest people cannot buy. C'mon back GENTLEMEN!!! Let THIS year be like 1984alloveragain; and NEXT year be like '85, only with a MUCH HAPPIER ENDING!!! HOYA SAXA!!!

[WVHoyasfan]

1984alloveragain said:

I get the sense (optimistic) that these two young men realize whether they go into the NBA this year or next, they're both gonna be millionaires regardless, so why not get the fullest experience you can at such an incredible institution - while fulfilling the goals they set before they came here with the other two juniors that they would RESTORE the pride into the University's most important and recognizable squad. They are hungry to put BANNERSSSS up into the rafters - and I think events such as the gala and the celebration of the 100th year anniversary helps them think of the impact that final, and possibly UNFORGETTABLE senior year could do for the Tradition of CHAMPIONS at Georgetown.

They are already getting to the point of being ALL-TIME greats and favorites of the Hoya BBALL Team, but next year would be their chance to DOMINATE the BEAST and CBB like in the early years of the conference, which is something that even the world's wealthiest people cannot buy. C'mon back GENTLEMEN!!! Let THIS year be like 1984alloveragain; and NEXT year be like '85, only with a MUCH HAPPIER ENDING!!! HOYA SAXA!!!

I agree 100% with you on all that!!! Im thinking that they both know they might go in the first round this year BUT if they stay all four years then they would be drafted even higher next year.This team has a real shot this year to make some noise and like you said next year will be the year that they could domanate the whole NCAA.If those two stays and I think they will then this team will only get better and better.

[1984alloveragain]

And not only that: instead of losing a "Graham", we have the "Wright" to gain a "Freeman"...

(I'm the Corniest guy I know!! Plus it's late and bed time... Hoya saxa!!

[WVHoyasfan]

LOL,I hear you man... thats why im getting off here.Talk to you and the rest later.

GO HOYAS!!!!!!!!!

[SirSaxa]

another reason to stay -- rarely if ever mentioned.

Guys like Roy and Jeff can really build national recognition and reputations by playing deep into the NCAA tourney two years in a row. This is something that has become extremely unusual these days. That recognition level translates into bigger sponsorship deals. IF they get to two final fours, winning one, their name recognition goes up exponentially -- far more than just being a high draft pick as a junior. There is a tangible financial benefit to that and it should be evaluated along with the oportunity cost of staying in school an extra year.

That is in addition to the personal fulfillment and FUN benefits of staying in school an extra year with all your best pals and DOMINATING college basketball. And parties. And hanging out in college.

Hey -- weren't the college years among the best in your lives?
And you students currently in college, you are so lucky to be at GU right now with JT3 and this incredible team.

[theexorcist]

Or they can leave and get their degree later. Really, I'd be cool with that. I'd never begrudge anyone who graduated in three years and headed off to med or law school, so I can't begrudge them this. And while being one of the greatest Hoyas ever would be nice, so would being one of the greatest NBA players ever. College was nice, but I actually enjoy and learn from the professional world more. It's not on the same level, but imagine being president of a big student government versus being a representative on a state legislature.

So - it would be great if they stayed, but staying isn't the obvious decision. Now let's just enjoy this season.

[lichoya68]

one reason MOMS SAY THEY ARE STAYING MOMS SAY THEY ARE STAYING GO HOYAS GO JEFF AND ROY ;D

[hifigator]

I think you are a might hypocritical on this one. Last year when I told you that our group of projected #1 picks were going to stay, to a man you all said I was crazy and that they would and should leave. Now when its your potential #1's you are dreaming up all kinds of reasons they should stay in school. Now which is it? Oh, I see. Standards are subject to what's better for the Hoyas.

[TBird41]

hifigator said:

I think you are a might hypocritical on this one. Last year when I told you that our group of projected #1 picks were going to stay, to a man you all said I was crazy and that they would and should leave. Now when its your potential #1's you are dreaming up all kinds of reasons they should stay in school. Now which is it? Oh, I see. Standards are subject to what's better for the Hoyas.

Noah was supposed to go #1 overall last year. There was literally no way for him to improve his draft stock, and by staying he guaranteed that he'd drop.

Jeff and Roy could improve their draft position from mid first round (Jeff) and late first-second round (Roy) by staying another year, so it would likely be beneficial for both of them to stay.

But you're an idiot, so why am I wasting my time explaining this to you?

[hoya9797]

hifigator said:

I think you are a might hypocritical on this one. Last year when I told you that our group of projected #1 picks were going to stay, to a man you all said I was crazy and that they would and should leave. Now when its your potential #1's you are dreaming up all kinds of reasons they should stay in school. Now which is it? Oh, I see. Standards are subject to what's better for the Hoyas.

If Jeff or Roy are told that they would be top ten picks, I would encourage them to go. But, if they are late first round or even second round picks, it would make a lot of sense for them to stay. It would be hard for them not to improve on that position if they stayed another year.

[Filo]

HiFi - Wrong, as usual.* Your strawman arguments never cease, just so you can yet again talk about the frikkin' Gators.

Seriously, go the hell away. You are reverting back to your earlier obnoxious incarnation. What don't you understand -- we don't like you and we don't want to hear your biased, empty opinions.

I still say you are a group of tfeeble-minded teenagers playing a prank on everyone and seeing how long you can annoy us without getting banned.

* Many folks here thought that Noah, at least, should have gone last year since his stock was so high and it was a weak draft. He might have gone number one. This year, there is no way he goes number one. He will probably make it as a lottey pick, but that is not guaranteed.

Edit - T-Bird beat me to it. See what I mean HiFi - we are consistent in our opinion of your worthlessness.

[hifigator]

filo said:

HiFi - Wrong, as usual.* Your strawman arguments never cease, just so you can yet again talk about the frikkin' Gators.

Seriously, go the hell away. You are reverting back to your earlier obnoxious incarnation. What don't you understand -- we don't like you and we don't want to hear your biased, empty opinions.

I still say you are a group of tfeeble-minded teenagers playing a prank on everyone and seeing how long you can annoy us without getting banned.

* Many folks here thought that Noah, at least, should have gone last year since his stock was so high and it was a weak draft. He might have gone number one. This year, there is no way he goes number one. He will probably make it as a lottey pick, but that is not guaranteed.

Edit - T-Bird beat me to it. See what I mean HiFi - we are consistent in our opinion of your worthlessness.

Spin, spin, spin ...... You are just throwing sand in the air here to cloud the issue. You don't like me ... I don't care and that isn't the point anyway.

For the record, I agree with the argument that Noah probably hurt his draft status by coming back, but that isn't the point either.

The point is that last season you were conjuring up any and all reasons why they Noah, Horford and Brewer should and were going to leave. Now you are looking under every rock for reasons why Hibbert and Green will and should come back. That is all I am saying.

Certainly situations might be diffferent for each individual. What you never mentioned or seemed to understand is that the Gator Boys truly appreciated and enjoyed the comraderie and they were wise enough to know that once they left that was gone forever. Do Hibbert and Green have such a relationship with each other and the rest of the team? I don't know. What I do know is that almost a year ago I told you that our kids were coming back and you all thought I was wrong. Then when I was proven right, you changed your tune just enough by saying they made the wrong decision. Now you are sitting around contemplating any and all arguments for your guys to come back.

I point this relatively obvious inconsistency and you respond with a bunch of sand in the air distractions.

[DanMcQ]

Hifi: you've said your piece about Florida players in this thread about Georgetown players. Any further posts about them from you in this thread will be deleted.

[hoyasexy]

danmcq said:

Hifi: you've said your piece about Florida players in this thread about Georgetown players. Any further posts about them from you in this thread will be deleted.

Can we extend this policy to any of his posts about Florida in any thread?

[hifigator]

I still think you are just trying to cause problems. Comparing what you all say about whether or not Green and Hibbert should/will leave early to what you said about players from another team in the exact same situation in the context of the discussion that you all started should not be viewed as some sort of flame. I looked back and reread the entire thread and I don't see any way a sane person would conclude that I said something baiting, egregious or uncalled for at any point.

These were my first words:

I think you are a might hypocritical on this one. Last year when I told you that our group of projected #1 picks were going to stay, to a man you all said I was crazy and that they would and should leave. Now when its your potential #1's you are dreaming up all kinds of reasons they should stay in school. Now which is it? Oh, I see. Standards are subject to what's better for the Hoyas.

Is that out of line, and if so how?

Then in response to a first slew of personal insults I clarified the position with respect to the particular players "in question."
I really am somewhat amiss as to exactly what I did that was wrong here.


From the board rules:

3. Posting repetitive messages with the intent of eliciting negative responses

The majority of the board posters here are Georgetown fans. You repeatedly post about Florida players here. Your disclaimers notwithstanding, your post above (which you have now made twice in this thread) is intended to elicit a negative response from the other posters. Move on.

[The Stig]

Ignoring hifi for a while and getting back on topic:

Roy's given every indication that he's going to stay. His family want him to get his degree, and when people ask him about staying he always gives a firm "yes". He also grew up dreaming about playing Georgetown basketball, so I doubt he'd leave early when he could spend another year playing here.

I'm more worried about Jeff. He's never been as firm about staying as Roy has, and he's clearly good enough to go. I do think he has something to gain by staying, but not as much as Roy has to gain. I think the way this season turns out will have a big effect on what Jeff does for next year. While I obviously want him to stay, I wouldn't think badly of him if he decided to go.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

loo obviously we're going to look at what's best for georgetown. I for one always think the player should come back but that's my own personal thing. I defiently see the argument of how it does make a lot more sense that especaill noah should've left where as it's not as clear roy and jeff should go because of where their draft stock is currently. It appears that the florida players have the same bond with their team and university that i feel jeff and roy have. It is this bond which leads me to beleive that these guys will defiently be back for their senior seasons no matter what. We obviosuly had no way of knowing that this was true of the florida so from a purely logical point of view it made more sense for your guys to leave then it currently does for our guys. Your guys had just won the title which is as good as it gets and their stock was as high as it will ever be unless they repeat. even then they'll probabl still go lowerin the draft. and if they fail to repeat they may fall even further. this is jsut looking at it logically. Obviosuly we're looking for excuses for them to stay duh were fans of the school. so we look at our own situation differnetly than we'd look at another teams.

[ExcitableBoy]

hifigator said:

I still think you are just trying to cause problems. Comparing what you all say about whether or not Green and Hibbert should/will leave early to what you said about players from another team in the exact same situation in the context of the discussion that you all started should not be viewed as some sort of flame. I looked back and reread the entire thread and I don't see any way a sane person would conclude that I said something baiting, egregious or uncalled for at any point.

These were my first words:

I think you are a might hypocritical on this one. Last year when I told you that our group of projected #1 picks were going to stay, to a man you all said I was crazy and that they would and should leave. Now when its your potential #1's you are dreaming up all kinds of reasons they should stay in school. Now which is it? Oh, I see. Standards are subject to what's better for the Hoyas.

Is that out of line, and if so how?

Then in response to a first slew of personal insults I clarified the position with respect to the particular players "in question."
I really am somewhat amiss as to exactly what I did that was wrong here.


From the board rules:

3. Posting repetitive messages with the intent of eliciting negative responses

The majority of the board posters here are Georgetown fans. You repeatedly post about Florida players here. Your disclaimers notwithstanding, your post above (which you have now made twice in this thread) is intended to elicit a negative response from the other posters. Move on.

For the record, not all Georgetown fans unequivocally support every player staying for as long as possible and are quite capable of looking at a given situation and evaluating it based on its specifics.

For example, when Michael Sweetney left in 2003 after his junior year, most Hoyas felt like he had made a good personal decision and did not harbor grudges against him. He represented the University well while he was here, saw that he had little chance to improve his draft stock by staying for his senior year, knew that he was a first round choice, and decided not to stay for his senior year. That is a rational thought process on many levels.

This year, on the other hand, Jeff and Roy are not yet at that same level. They could both gain more exposure by sticking around for another year, taking their team to another level, and growing into even better players. Also, it is arguably not as certain that they would both be first round choices. Both of these factors make it a good decision to stay for another year.

You see, Jesuit educations teach us to look at those pesky "details" and "facts" that are easy to ignore when every argument consists of only two sides. In some cases (Sweetney's) it is better to go while in others (Hibbert & hopefully Green) it is better to stay.

[prhoya]

excitableboy said:

hifigator said:

For example, when Michael Sweetney left in 2003 after his junior year, most Hoyas felt like he had made a good personal decision and did not harbor grudges against him. He represented the University well while he was here, saw that he had little chance to improve his draft stock by staying for his senior year, knew that he was a first round choice, and decided not to stay for his senior year. That is a rational thought process on many levels.

For Sweetney, it came down to why go through one more year of the Esh disaster? What was the team going to achieve with Esh as a coach? What was he going to learn under him? He was a first-rounder. You cannot blame him. It's a no-brainer.

Now, for Roy and Jeff, it's different. GU ball is fun again. We're one of the hottest (if not the hottest) teams in the nation right now. The team has great chemistry, esp. the four juniors, who sound like friends for life. JTIII has shown that he is a leader and a young talent as a coach. His student-athletes learn from him and play hard for him. It's the start of a new era of GU ball and both of these players will forever be remembered for turning the program around from its darkest days. I see nothing but upside for these two players to stay and earn a GU degree (and two championships ;D).