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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 15, 2007 17:09:28 GMT -5
sweetney's jump to the NBA was about as no-brainer as any non-senior's decision EVER! 8th pick, are you serious? Esh? need i say more?
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Post by prhoya on Feb 15, 2007 17:15:42 GMT -5
Another reason for staying: next year's team could be better than, shall I dare say, the '84 and '85 teams. The KenPom numbers for the offense will be ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2007 17:19:38 GMT -5
How many of these "are they staying/going" threads do we need?
Roy - has said numerous times he plans on staying four years and getting his diploma.
Jeff - has never been solid one way or the other, but before this season started indicated he wanted to get his diploma now, make something of this current squad. It was big news 'round these parts.
Does this mean they are both going to stay? Of course not. Maybe both stay, maybe both bolt, maybe one stays and the other bolts. Who knows, who cares. They're here now, enjoy them while we got 'em. The rest is pure speculation. Depending on how the season plays out, I'm going to stick with the same thoughts about Roy and Jeff staying for next year that I told hifi when he said all the Gator players were staying: "I'll believe it when I see it." A lot can happen between now and then... no reason to get all worked up about it.
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Post by DoubleOhHoya on Feb 15, 2007 17:30:58 GMT -5
sweetney's jump to the NBA was about as no-brainer as any non-senior's decision EVER! 8th pick, are you serious? Esh? need i say more? In retrospect, Sweets leaving was one of the best things that ever happened to Gtown bball. Despite the disaster that was the 2003-4 season, the University was inexplicably VERY reluctant to let Esherick go. With Sweetney averaging 20 or so points a game, we easily are over .500 and in the NIT (again) that year, and it's unlikely he gets canned. The next season, Green/Hibbert come in, and we probably stay around .500. Instead, Sweets went pro, and the rest is history. I was upset at the time, but in retrospect, it's worked out for everyone except Esh.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 15, 2007 17:36:22 GMT -5
Yes, except for Esh's buy-out clause.
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Post by pkhoya03 on Feb 15, 2007 17:38:32 GMT -5
Maybe both stay, maybe both bolt, maybe one stays and the other bolts. Who knows, who cares. They're here now, enjoy them while we got 'em. The rest is pure speculation. Very well said. While, it's probably inevitable that one or both will declare (no reason not to so that they can gauge their status, it's out of our hands. Regardless, we will all wish them the best with whatever final decision they arrive at.
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Feb 15, 2007 17:42:22 GMT -5
HiFi, when I saw that you figured so prominently on this thread, I thought it was going to be open season on your seemingly never-ending string of dimwitted misspellings, constructions, and comma splices. What does it mean to be a "might hypocritical?" How can a "group" of people end up #1 (1st round yes, #1 no)? That's not worth my time anymore; you've proven yourself undereducated, so I guess only ITT Tech or University of Phoenix can help you on that one from here on out.
What really ticks me off, though, is that you bring the Florida crap into what boils down to a thread based on the feelings of Hilltoppers (you probably don't know what that is, but that's because you go/went/didn't get into but wanted to go to Florida). Despite the quality parallel, no one had even mentioned the Retirement State before you stuck your nose into this thread. WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT UF (FU?)!!!!! REALLY! NO ONE CARES! First off, you are wrong about this "double standard." What you call a "double standard" is actually the unaligned interests of sentiment and rationality. A Georgetown fan would be retarded not to want/be worried about the return of Roy and Jeff (remember the name of the thread, "Green and Hibbert," not "Noah and FU."). Because Georgetown people are smart, however, we all recognize that logic normally leads good players to leave early. If Noah had half the brains as he has ugly, not only would he be the world's smartest shemale, but also he/she would have left FU last year. He didn't, and that was irrational (as an economist/1st year economics student would tell you)...though not particularly wrong (he wanted to help his school, he liked the climate, no one judged him for being so damned ugly, etc.). What we are doing on this board is simply trying to boil down whether GU's boys will stay (which we want, because we are not dumb) or go (which cold logic would encourage). It's not a "double standard;" it's being a fan.
And oh yeah...if it was a "double standard," why do you give two bits? Who says GU fans have to please the whims of FU fans on the freaking HOYAS board!? GO AWAY!
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Post by Dhall on Feb 15, 2007 17:45:20 GMT -5
Best case scenario: (a) They both declare for draft without hiring an agent, (b) then they work out for NBA scouts and coaches who tell them the weaknesses in their games, (3) they withdraw their names from the draft, (4) they spend the summer working on those weaknesses and come back for senior years better than they were before and eager to prove that they are lottery-pick material.
I would encourage them to follow this path and if some team makes them a promise that they'll be picked in the first round with a guaranteed contract, then they should go. It is the second contract of a player's career where they make their real money, not their first contract, so being early first round versus late first round is irrelevant as long as it's guaranteed. In fact, there's an argument that going to a better team (who is picking later) is better for your career in the long run so if a strong team with a specific need for someone at your position is willing to take you, you should go.
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Post by hoyasexy on Feb 15, 2007 17:57:27 GMT -5
I thought Sweetney might have stayed, if for no reason other than the fact that the 2003 draft was widely thought to be a very deep draft and the 2004 draft was looking like a weaker one at the time. He ended up going #9 - he might have been top 5 in 2004.
By the way, the 2007 draft is generally thought to have the potential to be the deepest in years. People who are at the bottom of the first round this year, or maybe even into the top of the second, might be in the lottery next year if they are willing to wait it out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2007 18:27:14 GMT -5
HiFi, when I saw that you figured so prominently on this thread, I thought it was going to be open season on your seemingly never-ending string of dimwitted misspellings, constructions, and comma splices. What does it mean to be a "might hypocritical?" How can a "group" of people end up #1 (1st round yes, #1 no)? That's not worth my time anymore; you've proven yourself undereducated, so I guess only ITT Tech or University of Phoenix can help you on that one from here on out. What really ticks me off, though, is that you bring the Florida crap into what boils down to a thread based on the feelings of Hilltoppers (you probably don't know what that is, but that's because you go/went/didn't get into but wanted to go to Florida). Despite the quality parallel, no one had even mentioned the Retirement State before you stuck your nose into this thread. WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT UF (FU?)!!!!! REALLY! NO ONE CARES! First off, you are wrong about this "double standard." What you call a "double standard" is actually the unaligned interests of sentiment and rationality. A Georgetown fan would be retarded not to want/be worried about the return of Roy and Jeff (remember the name of the thread, "Green and Hibbert," not "Noah and FU."). Because Georgetown people are smart, however, we all recognize that logic normally leads good players to leave early. If Noah had half the brains as he has ugly, not only would he be the world's smartest shemale, but also he/she would have left FU last year. He didn't, and that was irrational (as an economist/1st year economics student would tell you)...though not particularly wrong (he wanted to help his school, he liked the climate, no one judged him for being so damned ugly, etc.). What we are doing on this board is simply trying to boil down whether GU's boys will stay (which we want, because we are not dumb) or go (which cold logic would encourage). It's not a "double standard;" it's being a fan. And oh yeah...if it was a "double standard," why do you give two bits? Who says GU fans have to please the whims of FU fans on the freaking HOYAS board!? GO AWAY! BR ESAD To borrow from edstimes: Witty, well-composed sentiment. Early favorite for post of the year.***
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Post by TX Hoya on Feb 15, 2007 18:35:55 GMT -5
DoubleOh is right on point - Sweetney leaving was the best thing for the program. If Sweetney is not on the team from '00-'03, those teams are a complete joke. Sweetney basically kept Esh his job for another 3 years....PRHoya, we should all happily pay his buyout clause just to get him out of the program.
Additionally, Sweets maxed out his draft potential - there is no way he would go higher than #9 had he waited another year. I loved watching him - softest hands and some of the best footwork of any big man I've watched on a regular basis. He doesn't get a lot of minutes in the League, but he had a fantastic career on the Hilltop.
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